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(07-10-2018 05:21 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  I suspect that the sequence against Army was at long last the final straw. Not sure that i have ever seen anything worse in my 50+ years of watching Rice and sports in general.

Navy 2009 was worse IMO.

We looked like toddlers on the field chasing after the ball. Almost like we had never seen the flex bone before in our lives. Or a football, for that matter.

But yes, this, the Army game and the UTSA fake field goal are in a class of their own.

Oh and this
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(07-10-2018 06:49 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 06:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 06:42 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I remember reading about a game that were leading 12-0 with two minutes left, and lost it 20-12. Mid 1950s I believe.
aTm, Nov 12, 1955. They scored, kicked onside and recovered, scored again, then we threw an interception.
That's the one.

Added some info to first post. Shows just how far we have fallen.
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(07-10-2018 06:50 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 05:21 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  I suspect that the sequence against Army was at long last the final straw. Not sure that i have ever seen anything worse in my 50+ years of watching Rice and sports in general.

Navy 2009 was worse IMO.

We looked like toddlers on the field chasing after the ball. Almost like we had never seen the flex bone before in our lives. Or a football, for that matter.

But yes, this, the Army game and the UTSA fake field goal are in a class of their own.

Oh and this
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what's incredible is that it happened like 3x if not more that season. truly absurd
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Bailiff's reputation at Texas State was that his teams played hard but were sloppy. That's pretty much what we saw at Rice. Except the last couple of years, I'm not sure how hard they played.
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(07-10-2018 06:51 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 06:49 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 06:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 06:42 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I remember reading about a game that were leading 12-0 with two minutes left, and lost it 20-12. Mid 1950s I believe.
aTm, Nov 12, 1955. They scored, kicked onside and recovered, scored again, then we threw an interception.
That's the one.

Added some info to first post. Shows just how far we have fallen.

Wow, a seven game losing streak after a good start. I know injuries are no excuse, but I wonder if they were a reason for the fall off.

I think this may have been King Hill's soph season. Do you know if he was the QB? We know Neely was the coach.
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(07-10-2018 05:40 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 02:57 PM)Rice FB Fan Wrote:  QB turnovers last season from all of them was an embarrassment (and why I think this season's QB is likely Stankavage).

If I recall of Tyner’s 5 turnovers three were Hail Mary attempts. Lightning and flash started all but two games and the bulk of their turnovers for the exception I believe La Tech were in the first period. Lightning = Army. As for stankadore hopefully he can compete for the job just hard to hand the job to a guy that has only thrown one pass in a game since high school. Need to see what he can do in person before handing over the keys.

I hope whatever we do decide, we have a real depth chart that we stick to. If #1 does not pan out or gets hurt, you move to #2.. not to #2, then 3 then 1 then 3 then 2 then 3 then 3 again.

No more "lightning in a bottle". That reeks of no preparation. I am confident that when Saban benched Hurts for freshman Tagovailoa, it wasn't because "meh, why not?"

The schedule this year is weak. If there ever was a time where the 3rd worst team in 2017 (or was it second) could bounce back somewhat, it is now.
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(07-11-2018 11:23 AM)Antarius Wrote:  I hope whatever we do decide, we have a real depth chart that we stick to. If #1 does not pan out or gets hurt, you move to #2.. not to #2, then 3 then 1 then 3 then 2 then 3 then 3 again.

I am 100% with you!
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(07-11-2018 11:23 AM)Antarius Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 05:40 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 02:57 PM)Rice FB Fan Wrote:  QB turnovers last season from all of them was an embarrassment (and why I think this season's QB is likely Stankavage).

If I recall of Tyner’s 5 turnovers three were Hail Mary attempts. Lightning and flash started all but two games and the bulk of their turnovers for the exception I believe La Tech were in the first period. Lightning = Army. As for stankadore hopefully he can compete for the job just hard to hand the job to a guy that has only thrown one pass in a game since high school. Need to see what he can do in person before handing over the keys.

I hope whatever we do decide, we have a real depth chart that we stick to. If #1 does not pan out or gets hurt, you move to #2.. not to #2, then 3 then 1 then 3 then 2 then 3 then 3 again.

No more "lightning in a bottle". That reeks of no preparation. I am confident that when Saban benched Hurts for freshman Tagovailoa, it wasn't because "meh, why not?"

The schedule this year is weak. If there ever was a time where the 3rd worst team in 2017 (or was it second) could bounce back somewhat, it is now.

Agreed. Make a plan and stick to it. Make change when change is necessary not when lightning strikes against our scout team in practice. Certainly a good year to bounce back. We will be better just with the new energy and level of coaching we are getting in this system. Bold prediction but I say Tyner matures and becomes the field general we need in the Bloomgren system and has a big year. We establish a legitimate run game. Defense will be aggressive more fundamentally sound than the last three years. Conservatively 6-7. Optimistically 10-3.
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Optimistically, I would say 16-0.

Realistically, not so much.
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I'll just be happy to have a plan and know what it is. "Pound the rock, run the clock, and play great defense," would probably not be the first choice of many posters on here, judging from prior comments, but at least we should be able to figure out what they are trying to do.
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(07-11-2018 06:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I'll just be happy to have a plan and know what it is. "Pound the rock, run the clock, and play great defense," would probably not be the first choice of many posters on here, judging from prior comments, but at least we should be able to figure out what they are trying to do.

Playing great defense would be unprecedented in CUSA. And it's the right type of unprecedented strategy for a school like Rice.

And yes, it is refreshing to have a strategy as opposed to having to guess.

Anything to get away from the bend and then break defense would be a marked departure from the last, well, forever.
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(07-11-2018 06:24 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(07-11-2018 06:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I'll just be happy to have a plan and know what it is. "Pound the rock, run the clock, and play great defense," would probably not be the first choice of many posters on here, judging from prior comments, but at least we should be able to figure out what they are trying to do.

And yes, it is refreshing to have a strategy as opposed to having to guess.

Power I formation left, right, and middle for 4 yards at a time might not be flashy, but compared to 27 shifts and a delay of game penalty inside our own 5 yd line, I will take it. Last season's offense was MADDENING before they even snapped the ball!
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(07-11-2018 07:33 PM)Rice FB Fan Wrote:  
(07-11-2018 06:24 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(07-11-2018 06:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I'll just be happy to have a plan and know what it is. "Pound the rock, run the clock, and play great defense," would probably not be the first choice of many posters on here, judging from prior comments, but at least we should be able to figure out what they are trying to do.

And yes, it is refreshing to have a strategy as opposed to having to guess.

Power I formation left, right, and middle for 4 yards at a time might not be flashy, but compared to 27 shifts and a delay of game penalty inside our own 5 yd line, I will take it. Last season's offense was MADDENING before they even snapped the ball!

Last years offense looked like the monkeys playing at the zoo from a systemic point of view. Surely Lynch isn’t punishing another fan base with it.
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(07-10-2018 06:49 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 06:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 06:42 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I remember reading about a game that were leading 12-0 with two minutes left, and lost it 20-12. Mid 1950s I believe.

aTm, Nov 12, 1955. They scored, kicked onside and recovered, scored again, then we threw an interception.

That's the one.

Who was the QB?

Here's a short newsreel recap of the debacle:

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The Rice QB that threw the final interception was not mentioned in either the newsreel of in the Thresher's game story. He's wearing #28 in this video.
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(07-11-2018 09:44 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 06:51 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 06:49 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 06:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 06:42 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I remember reading about a game that were leading 12-0 with two minutes left, and lost it 20-12. Mid 1950s I believe.
aTm, Nov 12, 1955. They scored, kicked onside and recovered, scored again, then we threw an interception.
That's the one.

Added some info to first post. Shows just how far we have fallen.

Wow, a seven game losing streak after a good start. I know injuries are no excuse, but I wonder if they were a reason for the fall off.

I think this may have been King Hill's soph season. Do you know if he was the QB? We know Neely was the coach.

I read a number (but not all) of the Thresher game stories for this season. Hill is mentioned a little, and Ryan led the team in the final game, a 15-7 loss to Baylor at HRS. This Baylor game was labeled the "Band-Aid Bowl", as both teams were described as having endured a number of injuries (not delineated specifically).

But prior to the 8th game (vs. A&M) Owlook columnist Alan Ringold lamented that the 10-0 loss to Arkansas was due to "the same old story of not enough support in the line and too many fumbles. Also, the Owls looked pretty weak on covering punts with the Porkers running them back almost as far as we kicked them. Another big mistake came in the second quarter when we had the wind and didn't pass.

"Neely has been juggling the lineup right and left in an effort to come up with a winning combination, but with no success so far. Individually the boys on the team are terrific players, but together they don't seem to have the drive or team spirit to make up a winning squad. If we could get a little of that drive now we could pull out from an otherwise disastrous season."

BTW, the 2-0-1 "good start" consisted of a 20-0 win over Alabama (that ended the 1955 season 0-10), a 20-20 tie with LSU (which ended up 3-5-2) and an impressive 21-7 win over Clemson that finished 7-3).
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(07-11-2018 10:56 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(07-11-2018 09:44 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 06:51 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 06:49 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 06:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  aTm, Nov 12, 1955. They scored, kicked onside and recovered, scored again, then we threw an interception.
That's the one.

Added some info to first post. Shows just how far we have fallen.

Wow, a seven game losing streak after a good start. I know injuries are no excuse, but I wonder if they were a reason for the fall off.

I think this may have been King Hill's soph season. Do you know if he was the QB? We know Neely was the coach.

I read a number (but not all) of the Thresher game stories for this season. Hill is mentioned a little, and Ryan led the team in the final game, a 15-7 loss to Baylor at HRS. This Baylor game was labeled the "Band-Aid Bowl", as both teams were described as having endured a number of injuries (not delineated specifically).

But prior to the 8th game (vs. A&M) Owlook columnist Alan Ringold lamented that the 10-0 loss to Arkansas was due to "the same old story of not enough support in the line and too many fumbles. Also, the Owls looked pretty weak on covering punts with the Porkers running them back almost as far as we kicked them. Another big mistake came in the second quarter when we had the wind and didn't pass.

"Neely has been juggling the lineup right and left in an effort to come up with a winning combination, but with no success so far. Individually the boys on the team are terrific players, but together they don't seem to have the drive or team spirit to make up a winning squad. If we could get a little of that drive now we could pull out from an otherwise disastrous season."

BTW, the 2-0-1 "good start" consisted of a 20-0 win over Alabama (that ended the 1955 season 0-10), a 20-20 tie with LSU (which ended up 3-5-2) and an impressive 21-7 win over Clemson that finished 7-3).

Wow. Change the dates and it could have been a description of a Bailiff team.

Just goes to show that there is nothing new under the sun.
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(07-12-2018 12:23 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-11-2018 10:56 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(07-11-2018 09:44 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 06:51 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 06:49 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  That's the one.

Added some info to first post. Shows just how far we have fallen.

Wow, a seven game losing streak after a good start. I know injuries are no excuse, but I wonder if they were a reason for the fall off.

I think this may have been King Hill's soph season. Do you know if he was the QB? We know Neely was the coach.

I read a number (but not all) of the Thresher game stories for this season. Hill is mentioned a little, and Ryan led the team in the final game, a 15-7 loss to Baylor at HRS. This Baylor game was labeled the "Band-Aid Bowl", as both teams were described as having endured a number of injuries (not delineated specifically).

But prior to the 8th game (vs. A&M) Owlook columnist Alan Ringold lamented that the 10-0 loss to Arkansas was due to "the same old story of not enough support in the line and too many fumbles. Also, the Owls looked pretty weak on covering punts with the Porkers running them back almost as far as we kicked them. Another big mistake came in the second quarter when we had the wind and didn't pass.

"Neely has been juggling the lineup right and left in an effort to come up with a winning combination, but with no success so far. Individually the boys on the team are terrific players, but together they don't seem to have the drive or team spirit to make up a winning squad. If we could get a little of that drive now we could pull out from an otherwise disastrous season."

BTW, the 2-0-1 "good start" consisted of a 20-0 win over Alabama (that ended the 1955 season 0-10), a 20-20 tie with LSU (which ended up 3-5-2) and an impressive 21-7 win over Clemson that finished 7-3).

Wow. Change the dates and it could have been a description of a Bailiff team.

Just goes to show that there is nothing new under the sun.

The lengths used to justify a failed tenure are astounding.

This is like your "one time Nick Sabans Alabama jumped offside" argument. Comical. You really think the Neely tenure is comparable to any of the recent ones? The leaps of faith are .... yup, unprecedented
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I do know (and remember) the Alborn era was pretty much on par with the last three seasons.

Just goes to show that there is nothing new under the sun. 05-stirthepot
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(07-12-2018 01:06 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I do know (and remember) the Alborn era was pretty much on par with the last three seasons.

Just goes to show that there is nothing new under the sun. 05-stirthepot

Remember the Jerry Burnt era? Awful. More of the same. Goldsmith did well then fell on his face at Duke. Hatfield's first several years were decent, then more of the same again. In hindsight Bailiff probably did better than any of the others before the bottom fell out. At least he won a championship and three bowl games.
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(07-12-2018 01:06 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I do know (and remember) the Alborn era was pretty much on par with the last three seasons.

Just goes to show that there is nothing new under the sun. 05-stirthepot

Per-zack-ly.

BTW, I liked Alborn. The quote I remember from him is "I didn't tell that boy to fumble at the one".
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