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(07-07-2018 07:14 PM)GullLake Wrote:  

(07-07-2018 06:14 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Dip would agree 100% and then some. You don’t have a clue.

Dip was a Trump voter, for better or worse.

Of course he was. But he understood public education (for obvious reasons).

Dear BroncoPhilly,
Yes, the three month summer-time off is a carryover. However, when you talk of teachers putting in more hours you need to keep in mind the hours teachers spend on correcting tests, papers, and preparing lesson plans, all at home. With summers off, many teachers went back to school for advanced degrees, and some even did volunteer work as was suggested at Cody High.
The point being that it is not the teachers who should be putting in extra time, it's the parents and their students who need to work harder at getting an education.

I don’t know a single teacher that gets the whole summer off.

Most spend all of August lesson planning and prepping for the following school year.

All of August? Thanks for the laugh! I have admiration for teachers and think it’s a very respectable career but let’s not stretch the truth.

(07-10-2018 05:18 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  All of August? Thanks for the laugh! I have admiration for teachers and think it’s a very respectable career but let’s not stretch the truth.

I know the teaching profession well. The good ones do.

(07-10-2018 01:59 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear BroncoPhilly,
Yes, the three month summer-time off is a carryover. However, when you talk of teachers putting in more hours you need to keep in mind the hours teachers spend on correcting tests, papers, and preparing lesson plans, all at home. With summers off, many teachers went back to school for advanced degrees, and some even did volunteer work as was suggested at Cody High.
The point being that it is not the teachers who should be putting in extra time, it's the parents and their students who need to work harder at getting an education.

Quote:you need to keep in mind the hours teachers spend on correcting tests, papers, and preparing lesson plans, all at home

Everyone does those sort of things these days, so what? I have 3 hour nightly conference calls with companies in the far east Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday nights. You think I get time off during the day because of that? Way it is-it's the nature of doing work for a major multinational these days. If I don't like it, I can quit. Right?

The teachers who live next door to my wife must be studying for the Advanced Degrees around their pool. Your explanation is more myth than reality, I've known a lot of teachers over the years and MANY of them have a second job they do in the summer or use their 3 months off for recreation. I saw very few studying for an advanced degree, but I completed two advanced degrees in Electrical Engineering while working full time for an Automotive Manufacturer.

US public schools need to get rid of 3 months off in the summer, no other advanced nation does that. None. I'm sure some current teachers would quit if we reduced that 3 months to 6 weeks, but they're probably the ones we don't want anyway. Teachers salaries in the USA should be at the top of the world because we are a rich nation and can afford top salaries, but our teacher performance should be at the top of the world as well. We should accept nothing less, we have for too long.

(07-11-2018 04:24 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 01:59 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear BroncoPhilly,
Yes, the three month summer-time off is a carryover. However, when you talk of teachers putting in more hours you need to keep in mind the hours teachers spend on correcting tests, papers, and preparing lesson plans, all at home. With summers off, many teachers went back to school for advanced degrees, and some even did volunteer work as was suggested at Cody High.
The point being that it is not the teachers who should be putting in extra time, it's the parents and their students who need to work harder at getting an education.

Quote:you need to keep in mind the hours teachers spend on correcting tests, papers, and preparing lesson plans, all at home

Everyone does those sort of things these days, so what? I have 3 hour nightly conference calls with companies in the far east Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday nights. You think I get time off during the day because of that? Way it is-it's the nature of doing work for a major multinational these days. If I don't like it, I can quit. Right?

The teachers who live next door to my wife must be studying for the Advanced Degrees around their pool. Your explanation is more myth than reality, I've known a lot of teachers over the years and MANY of them have a second job they do in the summer or use their 3 months off for recreation. I saw very few studying for an advanced degree, but I completed two advanced degrees in Electrical Engineering while working full time for an Automotive Manufacturer.

US public schools need to get rid of 3 months off in the summer, no other advanced nation does that. None. I'm sure some current teachers would quit if we reduced that 3 months to 6 weeks, but they're probably the ones we don't want anyway. Teachers salaries in the USA should be at the top of the world, but so should teacher performance. We should accept nothing less, we have for too long.

My wife is a teacher at a private school.

Most teachers would be fine working summers. The problem with year-round school is not teachers, or school administrators, is parents. They are the ones who want the time and complain when they do not get it. Ask a fall sports coach about the push-back they often get from families who want little Johnny, or Sally, to miss "just a week" of practice to go to the cottage, or visit Ol' Auntie Em. Then they don't understand how missing practice will impact playing time.

These are the same parents who complain about their child getting too much homework, or how their child is being picked-on for being written-up tardy on a regular basis.

Too many parents think their child should be spoon-fed by teachers and not have to EARN their grade. Oh, and their child is totally INCAPABLE of showing ANY signs of disrespect or disruption. They think teachers just make that stuff-up to discredit kids.

Johnny/Sally could be a lying little bastard, but the parents will gladly accept their version as the truth, no matter what.

And then there are those children who's parents flat-out do not care (doesn't matter what income level, or race). Breaks your heart.

Teachers earn every penny they make. Tough work. God bless 'em all.

Quote:Most teachers would be fine working summers.

I doubt it. Neither of us has run a poll, but all the PST's I knew were glad for their summers off. I know a Public Teacher whose husband got a job in the school cafeteria so the could enjoy summers off together.

I suppose if you're recreation-minded having those 3 months off is a big deal. I was always too interested in making money and you're not going to do that as a teacher. Unless you're a college professor at a major school.

Teaching is an important profession and there are a lot of good teachers, but on the whole we have vast areas for improvement in the way we educate out kids.

Per your comments about summer and Parents, mine always put us in summer school classes to get ahead when we were in grade school and junior high. That gave us a leg-up on the SAT and ACT Reading and Math when we had to take them. It really is up to the parents to push and demand more for their kids, we agree on that. Too many don't care.

(07-12-2018 07:02 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  

Quote:Most teachers would be fine working summers.

I doubt it. Neither of us has run a poll, but all the PST's I knew were glad for their summers off. I know a Public Teacher whose husband got a job in the school cafeteria so the could enjoy summers off together.

I suppose if you're recreation-minded having those 3 months off is a big deal. I was always too interested in making money and you're not going to do that as a teacher. Unless you're a college professor at a major school.

Teaching is an important profession and there are a lot of good teachers, but on the whole we have vast areas for improvement in the way we educate out kids.

Per your comments about summer and Parents, mine always put us in summer school classes to get ahead when we were in grade school and junior high. That gave us a leg-up on the SAT and ACT Reading and Math when we had to take them. It really is up to the parents to push and demand more for their kids, we agree on that. Too many don't care.

I always had "enrichment" classes for Summer seasons, then come home and do chores.