(07-09-2018 06:43 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 05:58 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 05:45 PM)AZcats Wrote:  And there it is. Another thread that had absolutely nothing to with D2 now includes another long fantasy list of D2 call-ups. Some of those D2 schools are at the D2 minimum of 10 sports and/or have dropped sports in the last 4 years.

When Jackson State can bring their own revenue to the Sun Belt without reducing the share SBC members currently get and be a national highly competitive all-sports program, then they might get some consideration from the SBC.

What I am talking about when the lower level conferences not getting much money from tv deals and media rights? They have to reform into better compact conferences. MEAC tv deal right now does not cover the long travel as it is. They already lost Hampton U., Winston-Salem State and Savannah State. North Carolina A&T are looking to leave and Florida A&M came close to becoming an FBS school in the past.

Who is Choppin State?

The Lumberjacks, of course.

(07-09-2018 07:06 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 06:43 PM)AZcats Wrote:  Who is Choppin State?

The Lumberjacks, of course.

Coppin State

I added one too many letters to the school's name.

(07-09-2018 07:01 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  Why would the Southland add more teams from D2 or the SWAC? I'm guessing if more teams got called up some schools would try to leave. If anyone wanted them.

Southern might be interested in the Southland, but how interested would the Southland be in adding any SWAC schools?

Lawmakers in Louisiana wants all the Louisiana schools be in one conference. This takes the pressure off the FCS D1 schools from the lawmakers.

As for Southern? If you get them, Grambling State and Jackson State into the conference? Your attendance record as a whole for that conference will go up. SWAC and MEAC are the two conferences that are leaders in home attendance than the Southland. Even some D2 Lone Star schools get better home attendance.

If the SWAC ever starts dropping schools, it might make sense for some of the Southland schools to move over to the SWAC - an exponentially easier path to the Big Dance, and fewer mouths to feed as well. Of course if the SWAC starts dropping schools, the Southland would probably be st risk of losing members as well.

I don't think we'll see non-HBCU's ever join an HBCU conference unless it's a D-I call up that has nowhere else to go and desperately needs a home.

The Southland has to many schools as it is right now. None of the current Southland schools would want to go to the SWAC and the SWAC wouldn't want any Southland team unless they desperately needed them. The SWAC should stay as a FCS football league but allow their OLY's to find refuge in other leagues or just merge the MEAC/SWAC and call it a day.

People forget that the money issues do hurt FCS and non FBS D1 schools the most. They do not make the most money. You do need a tighter geography for the conferences to save money. That means D2 schools to be called up. As it is, it is more of the Lone Star Conference and maybe some GAC and the Oklahoma schools be targeted. There are several LSC schools that want to move to D1 or looking into moving to D1. LSC is crowded with 20 schools as is. UTT was supposed to replaced Tarleton State because there were signs that Tarleton State would have gotten a call up to D1 by now. Even the GSC schools might look into D1 as well. Look where Delta State is located? They would fit better on the eastern edge of Southland since they are on the border close by to Arkansas.

(07-10-2018 01:58 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  People forget that the money issues do hurt FCS and non FBS D1 schools the most. They do not make the most money. You do need a tighter geography for the conferences to save money. That means D2 schools to be called up. As it is, it is more of the Lone Star Conference and maybe some GAC and the Oklahoma schools be targeted. There are several LSC schools that want to move to D1 or looking into moving to D1. LSC is crowded with 20 schools as is. UTT was supposed to replaced Tarleton State because there were signs that Tarleton State would have gotten a call up to D1 by now. Even the GSC schools might look into D1 as well. Look where Delta State is located? They would fit better on the eastern edge of Southland since they are on the border close by to Arkansas.

The only GSC school that may move to D1 will be West Florida. If so they will be the 10th in the A-Sun with football in the Big South. That is only if NCAT does not join.

Delta St will stay in D2
VSU may move in the future, but at the moment they are totally against it.
West Georgia wanted to move, but have since changed their minds to my understanding.

It's quite possible even FCS has hit its saturation point. If you have a West Florida or West Georgia, or even the already D1 programs like UNF and FGCU discounting the value of it, I don't know what wiggle room there is elsewhere.

And that's because, other than ASun/Big South, where are these guys going to go? They don't want to be there for just Big South...

It's different for the MEAC and SWAC, though, since it's more than just putting sports somewhere. There's this fear that leaving a conference destroys the identity and heritage for its schools somehow. I don't think moving from SWAC to Southland is really a big step up...just leaving SWAC is the big deal, imo.

Tennessee State made it worked by not being in an all HBCU conference. Hampton U. is going to do the same thing. Tennessee State have not done bad in OVC. They made it a game last year when they took on an SEC opponent. Moving to a new conference could expose these schools to media appearances, better recruiting, and to get more diversity on some of these struggling campuses.

The TSU thing with OVC speaks a lot about both the school and what OVC sees itself as. It's progressive.

What Hampton finally did...was progressive.

Some of these others hangers-on, though...that I'm not so sure. Would I call any of these schools leaving MEAC or SWAC "progressive" when we know their operating funds were shrinking so steadily? It's different for a Hampton, or Howard (were they to). They aren't hurting. They can do the MEAC or SWAC for some time. It's the Norfolk State's, SCSU's, Grambling's, and others I'm not so sure of. Or Delaware State, who started this move into something more than their history had them pegged when they went from DSC to DSU. They haven't been all too quiet about what they wished they were, too.

(07-09-2018 09:31 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I don't think we'll see non-HBCU's ever join an HBCU conference unless it's a D-I call up that has nowhere else to go and desperately needs a home.

Or Chicago State...

Winston Salem State should have looked into joining the Big South Conference before dropping back down. It is more geographical friendly to them than if they stayed in MEAC.

The problem is this.
Jackson State
Texas Southern
Florida A&M
Prairie View
North Carolina A&T
NC Central
Southern U.
Tennessee State
Howard
Morgan State

Those 10 in D1 are the largest by enrollment. The #1 school is St. Phillips in San Antonio with 13,000 students enrolled last fall.

Albany State and Winston-Salem are the last 2 with more than 6000 students.The others could be in danger in dropping from D1. That is the publics that I am talking about.

DavidSt - apparently you've missed the fact that St. Phillips is an open-enrollment COMMUNITY COLLEGE...

(07-11-2018 04:56 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  DavidSt - apparently you've missed the fact that St. Phillips is an open-enrollment COMMUNITY COLLEGE...

I know. But, they are listed HBCU school.

(07-11-2018 06:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 04:56 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  DavidSt - apparently you've missed the fact that St. Phillips is an open-enrollment COMMUNITY COLLEGE...

I know. But, they are listed HBCU school.

You are listing them in the same category of Universities - they are not comparable.

Sure some HBCU’s are struggling to compete in D1 let alone stay open but let’s add more HBCU’s to D1 to drain more money from the schools that are already struggling. That’ll fix it!

(07-12-2018 11:36 AM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Sure some HBCU’s are struggling to compete in D1 let alone stay open but let’s add more HBCU’s to D1 to drain more money from the schools that are already struggling. That’ll fix it!

There's a Chicago State administrator reading this probably saying "yes, this guy GETS it!"

The thing about higher ed is, when the faculty are pissed and unhappy, and start to leave, it really could be do or die for a place. It's just something that comes with the territory...the faculty are untouchable, and when they aren't happy, bad things happen. For Chicago State, when you should already be closed, something so far out there like saving the school through sports isn't necessarily the worst thing...if it brings in kids. It's not far off for the struggling MEAC and SWAC schools...your athletics become a marketing tool to bring in more people, even if the faculty have been peeling off for ages.

(07-12-2018 11:36 AM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Sure some HBCU’s are struggling to compete in D1 let alone stay open but let’s add more HBCU’s to D1 to drain more money from the schools that are already struggling. That’ll fix it!

Actually schools like D2 Tuskegee, Albany State, Clark Atlanta, Fort Valley State and Virginia State all seems to be able to stay out of the negative in recent years. Stillman dropped sports and moved to the NAIA. Cheyney dropped out of all organizations. Kentucky State gain a 130% increase of incoming freshman last fall. Savannah State and Winston-Salem State may have instead moved to the A-Sun and Big South for all sports. HBCUs need a new look to attract more students, and hire people who do not milk the schools dry. I do think some schools should drop done to D2, some could move to FBS, and some just needs a new conference.
I read an article back around 2009-2010 that the President of Delaware State wanted to move the school to FBS. They need major overhauling to make the move.