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(07-05-2018 11:35 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  To me it seemed like Childers actually hit the short throws over the middle fairly well, though we didn't do that very often.

I was hoping he'd be more of a threat running the ball, but I didn't see much there, in terms of either breaking tackles, outrunning anyone, or making people miss. I think he will need to improve there, too.

I agree with this, Childers biggest flaw right now is that he is not Jordan Lynch and at least party human. I think the one time it hit me just how unreal Lynch's run ability and durability was, was during that road UMass game in 2013. Hare (or maybe it was McIntosh) got some time in that game and promptly jammed his finger and came off the field running holding it. Thats no slam on Hare/Mcintosh, just made me realize how fricking unbelievable Lynch was.
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Are Carey's contract and extensions online somewhere? I was told that his contract was recently extended 2 years, but this is just hearsay and I haven't been able to find out if it's true.
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My three keys for Childers to be more successful in 2018:


1. Complete wide open deep passes.

Nothing is more infuriating than watching a receiver running wide open down field and the ball sails over his head and lands 5-10 yards in front of him. I felt like at least once a game Childers would over throw a receiver when there would be no DB within five yards of him. If Childers can learn to connect on these plays he will automatically be a more successful QB.

2. Less designed runs/more scrambles.

Childers was second on the team in carries (143) and last for YPC (3.3), not including Santa or anyone with under 10 carries. Childers also didn't scramble very often on broken pass plays. I'd like to see him take off running more if there is no one open instead of staying in the pocket and waiting for someone to get open. I think if he had less designed run plays called for him and more improvised runs he would be a more effective runner.

3. Play like a veteran.

I was very critical of Childers last season, which may not have been entirely fair. He was the third string QB going into the season and just a RS Freshman. Many of us fans were mad that Santa was benched and we had to watch the Huskies offense go three and out over and over and over with Childers under center. The best thing that could be said about his performance last season is that he didn't make many mistakes. That's great and all, but he provided zero spark to the offense. Childers will now be in his second year as a starter and third year with the team. He needs to have a full grasp of the offense and have the full playbook open to him. He needs to go out there and make some plays. The team is his and MAC is his for the taking.
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(07-05-2018 01:16 PM)oilgasusa Wrote:  Time will tell if Childers will be a quality QB. This year if he can hit on some of the deep passes he'll be good, if not next man up. I would give him the entire season though. However, I have said it since they hired Carey, he is not head coach material. I believe another hire could have had at worst the same record. He seems like a nice guy, but he does not have an offensive mind. I think anyone wanting to be honest has to admit that. He would be a great offensive line coach. I know we are stuck with him, but I hope his contract is not extended.

Well put! I will add that one of Carey's biggest weaknesses is that his QB's live in mortal fear of turnovers. He has them playing scared and believing in the old saying "When you're long you're never wrong" thus you see tons of overthrown deep balls even to open receivers. Santa was able to filter this a bit and take some risks which enraged Carey and got him benched.
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(07-05-2018 03:55 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(07-05-2018 01:16 PM)oilgasusa Wrote:  Time will tell if Childers will be a quality QB. This year if he can hit on some of the deep passes he'll be good, if not next man up. I would give him the entire season though. However, I have said it since they hired Carey, he is not head coach material. I believe another hire could have had at worst the same record. He seems like a nice guy, but he does not have an offensive mind. I think anyone wanting to be honest has to admit that. He would be a great offensive line coach. I know we are stuck with him, but I hope his contract is not extended.

Well put! I will add that one of Carey's biggest weaknesses is that his QB's live in mortal fear of turnovers. He has them playing scared and believing in the old saying "When you're long you're never wrong" thus you see tons of overthrown deep balls even to open receivers. Santa was able to filter this a bit and take some risks which enraged Carey and got him benched.

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(07-05-2018 04:03 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(07-05-2018 03:55 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(07-05-2018 01:16 PM)oilgasusa Wrote:  Time will tell if Childers will be a quality QB. This year if he can hit on some of the deep passes he'll be good, if not next man up. I would give him the entire season though. However, I have said it since they hired Carey, he is not head coach material. I believe another hire could have had at worst the same record. He seems like a nice guy, but he does not have an offensive mind. I think anyone wanting to be honest has to admit that. He would be a great offensive line coach. I know we are stuck with him, but I hope his contract is not extended.

Well put! I will add that one of Carey's biggest weaknesses is that his QB's live in mortal fear of turnovers. He has them playing scared and believing in the old saying "When you're long you're never wrong" thus you see tons of overthrown deep balls even to open receivers. Santa was able to filter this a bit and take some risks which enraged Carey and got him benched.

+1

+1 I don't think one can overstate how damaging this is to QB development and to an offense as a whole. Carey seems to have some value in other areas, I just think a simple solution since a new coach cannot be hired is to bring in someone who can take complete control of the offense, including handling QB playing time. Carey just cannot be involved in this anymore. It is like letting a kid play around live wires.
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MD “Carey knew damn well Childers was his choice in the summer of last year, but in complete fear of RS freshman mistakes he took away his reps and threw him into the fire several games in, and thus retarding the development of Childers”.
You could not be more wrong. Carey started Graham against BG because he gave the team the best chance of winning. Santa had 6 quarters of game experience at that point, Childers had zero. When Graham got hurt he went with the next QB that he felt gave the team the best chance to win, Santa. Carey went with Childers at the perfect time for his development; the absolute weakest part of the schedule. If he wanted to “throw Childers into the fire” he would have put him into the BC game, or Nebraska in Nebraska, or on the road against a ranked SDSU team.
Carey made the decision to go with Childers because Santa, who was making big plays with his arm, was not a running threat (this was strange given how effective he was as a runner in limited time the prior year), and because of Carey’s absolute intolerance for turnovers. At some point Carey determined Childers was a better fit for his offense, and the best logterm solution. Childers was handled perfectly from a development perspective. Carey is “all in” on Childers. It is now Childers time to make good on the program’s investment. Carey has stuck with Childers through his entire development process, never deviating from his decision. Childers has been given every opportunity to succeed, now it’s up to him to prove Carey right.
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We have all talked about how Childers needs to mature and improve. Carey also needs to mature and improve. He needs to get off the QB's back for throwing interceptions where they live in mortal fear of throwing one. They cannot develop confidence and improve if they fear throwing an interception and incurring Carey's wrath. If Carey can somehow develop some maturity in this regard, Childers will be able to develop the confidence to open up his passing.
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where is this “fear of interceptions” theory coming from? Graham had 14tds to 9 ints (very poor td/int ratio) and was named the starter in 2017. In 2016 Maddie had 8tds to 6 ints(also very poor ratio). And was never benched. Is it because Santa got benched for his 8td/7int start? For all we know it wasn’t due to bad throws but was for reading the plays wrong which would mean as a first year starter he just wasn’t ready.

This “fear of an interception” has become a crutch for Childers bad deep ball. 2 problems with that. 1) Childers missed long, short, to the outside and to the inside. That’s not throwing it away. That’s no control of where you’re throwing it. 2) if you’re going to throw an int, the one kind you can throw that the coach would be the least upset about it’s the deep ball. It’s equal to a punt. Was Childers afraid of the “interception wrath”on those missed screen passes too?
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(07-06-2018 12:56 AM)Djud Wrote:  MD “Carey knew damn well Childers was his choice in the summer of last year, but in complete fear of RS freshman mistakes he took away his reps and threw him into the fire several games in, and thus retarding the development of Childers”.
You could not be more wrong. Carey started Graham against BG because he gave the team the best chance of winning. Santa had 6 quarters of game experience at that point, Childers had zero. When Graham got hurt he went with the next QB that he felt gave the team the best chance to win, Santa. Carey went with Childers at the perfect time for his development; the absolute weakest part of the schedule. If he wanted to “throw Childers into the fire” he would have put him into the BC game, or Nebraska in Nebraska, or on the road against a ranked SDSU team.
Carey made the decision to go with Childers because Santa, who was making big plays with his arm, was not a running threat (this was strange given how effective he was as a runner in limited time the prior year), and because of Carey’s absolute intolerance for turnovers. At some point Carey determined Childers was a better fit for his offense, and the best logterm solution. Childers was handled perfectly from a development perspective. Carey is “all in” on Childers. It is now Childers time to make good on the program’s investment. Carey has stuck with Childers through his entire development process, never deviating from his decision. Childers has been given every opportunity to succeed, now it’s up to him to prove Carey right.

In all honesty what I was hearing from the players I talk to even way back at the very beginning of fall camp b4 last season Carey was behind Childers for sure. I think he waited for the best time possible to give Childers his best possible chance to be successful ! I think Carey had Childers pegged as his guy from his first year as a redshirt to be honest !!

I also think that carey sees this season and next as his best chance at a big season as the 2015 class is the best class from a recruiting ranking NIU has ever had to that point
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This makes sense; Santa was on a very short leash, and even when Childers was ineffective, Carey stuck with him. This (Childers being Carey’s indisputable final decision) was likely a major factor in Santa leaving. Again, Childers took over the starting role at the absolute perfect time. He built his confidence against weak teams such as BSU and BGSU. Last year was the investment year. He will enter his sophomore year with more game experience/starts than any other NIU sophomore QB in recent memory. The next three years will hopefully be the payback.
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(07-06-2018 10:13 AM)Djud Wrote:  This makes sense; Santa was on a very short leash, and even when Childers was ineffective, Carey stuck with him. This (Childers being Carey’s indisputable final decision) was likely a major factor in Santa leaving. Again, Childers took over the starting role at the absolute perfect time. He built his confidence against weak teams such as BSU and BGSU. Last year was the investment year. He will enter his sophomore year with more game experience/starts than any other NIU sophomore QB in recent memory. The next three years will hopefully be the payback.

That was my point with Childers. Carey wanted to go with him before the season started but put Santa in for some unknown reason. He hurt both QBs with his botching of decisions
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(07-06-2018 12:07 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 10:13 AM)Djud Wrote:  This makes sense; Santa was on a very short leash, and even when Childers was ineffective, Carey stuck with him. This (Childers being Carey’s indisputable final decision) was likely a major factor in Santa leaving. Again, Childers took over the starting role at the absolute perfect time. He built his confidence against weak teams such as BSU and BGSU. Last year was the investment year. He will enter his sophomore year with more game experience/starts than any other NIU sophomore QB in recent memory. The next three years will hopefully be the payback.

That was my point with Childers. Carey wanted to go with him before the season started but put Santa in for some unknown reason. He hurt both QBs with his botching of decisions
Childers wasn’t ready for our top opponents. Carey obviously wanted Childers to swim in the shallow water before going to the deep end. This is my point, if Carey’s primary focus was Childers development, he handled it perfectly. Santa isn’t the story anymore, it’s Childers and his progress. Santa had a short but successful career at NIU, and his final pass in a NIU uniform was a 70 yard TD. Chapter closed, Childers is the man now, and he could not have been developed/prepared any better for a long and successful career.
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(07-06-2018 12:27 PM)Djud Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 12:07 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 10:13 AM)Djud Wrote:  This makes sense; Santa was on a very short leash, and even when Childers was ineffective, Carey stuck with him. This (Childers being Carey’s indisputable final decision) was likely a major factor in Santa leaving. Again, Childers took over the starting role at the absolute perfect time. He built his confidence against weak teams such as BSU and BGSU. Last year was the investment year. He will enter his sophomore year with more game experience/starts than any other NIU sophomore QB in recent memory. The next three years will hopefully be the payback.

That was my point with Childers. Carey wanted to go with him before the season started but put Santa in for some unknown reason. He hurt both QBs with his botching of decisions
Childers wasn’t ready for our top opponents. Carey obviously wanted Childers to swim in the shallow water before going to the deep end. This is my point, if Carey’s primary focus was Childers development, he handled it perfectly. Santa isn’t the story anymore, it’s Childers and his progress. Santa had a short but successful career at NIU, and his final pass in a NIU uniform was a 70 yard TD. Chapter closed, Childers is the man now, and he could not have been developed/prepared any better for a long and successful career.

That's an oxymoron, QBs cant "develop" in this system under this coach. I don't want to sound too negative but its the absolute truth.
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Let me sum up this thread.

Non MD poster posts point of view

MD: Carey Sucks

Non MD poster posts point of view

MD: Carey Sucks

Non MD poster posts point of view

MD: Carey Sucks

And on and on and on, Etc., etc., etc.
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(07-06-2018 12:52 PM)niu1980 Wrote:  Let me sum up this thread.

Non MD poster posts point of view

MD: Carey Sucks

Non MD poster posts point of view

MD: Carey Sucks

Non MD poster posts point of view

MD: Carey Sucks

And on and on and on, Etc., etc., etc.

Let me sum up the board

Non Me: Childers sucks

Me: Maybe he is not the only problem

Non Me: Childers is the root of all evil

Me: Maybe we have to look somewhere else for a problem, you know the guy who makes 500,000 a year instead of the red shirt freshman who was thrown into the fire

Non Me: If Childers only can complete those hail Mary's NIU will be awesome

Me: NIU's problems go deeper than NIU completing desperation passes


People are sleep walking and finding an easy guy to attack with Childers. It reminds me of all those drunk Bear fans who ALWAYS ALWAYS call for the backup QB to play. The backup QB is always the best player in the world. People are not even looking at the source of the problem which is not Childers. I just get extremely frustrated at destroying a kid who was put in a tremendously non-ideal situation. It sickens me. I just want Carey to improve as a coach and to put players in positions to succeed. Particularly at QB, the exact opposite has been done the past several years, players are being put in optimal positions to fail.
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(07-06-2018 12:58 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 12:52 PM)niu1980 Wrote:  Let me sum up this thread.

Non MD poster posts point of view

MD: Carey Sucks

Non MD poster posts point of view

MD: Carey Sucks

Non MD poster posts point of view

MD: Carey Sucks

And on and on and on, Etc., etc., etc.

Let me sum up the board

Non Me: Childers sucks

Me: Maybe he is not the only problem

Non Me: Childers is the root of all evil

Me: Maybe we have to look somewhere else for a problem, you know the guy who makes 500,000 a year instead of the red shirt freshman who was thrown into the fire

Non Me: If Childers only can complete those hail Mary's NIU will be awesome

Me: NIU's problems go deeper than NIU completing desperation passes


People are sleep walking and finding an easy guy to attack with Childers. It reminds me of all those drunk Bear fans who ALWAYS ALWAYS call for the backup QB to play. The backup QB is always the best player in the world. People are not even looking at the source of the problem which is not Childers. I just get extremely frustrated at destroying a kid who was put in a tremendously non-ideal situation. It sickens me

That’s where your argument defies logic, and is filled with contradictions. You complain that Childers development was slowed because “he was thrown in the fire”. Just the opposite happened he was introduced to the starting role at he weakest part of the schedule. You say he had valuable reps taken away; again just the opposite, he will quite possibly enter his sophomore season with more game reps than any other Soph QB in the program’s history. You claim the offensive scheme is too conservative, when in actuality Childers was given every opportunity to make plays last season; sometimes he did, many times he didn’t; that is part of the development process... stick with your QB through thick and thin. Carey has done just that with Childers. Bottom line, I am the idiot for trying to reason with you.
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(07-06-2018 12:58 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 12:52 PM)niu1980 Wrote:  Let me sum up this thread.

Non MD poster posts point of view

MD: Carey Sucks

Non MD poster posts point of view

MD: Carey Sucks

Non MD poster posts point of view

MD: Carey Sucks

And on and on and on, Etc., etc., etc.

Let me sum up the board

Non Me: Childers sucks

Me: Maybe he is not the only problem

Non Me: Childers is the root of all evil

Me: Maybe we have to look somewhere else for a problem, you know the guy who makes 500,000 a year instead of the red shirt freshman who was thrown into the fire

Non Me: If Childers only can complete those hail Mary's NIU will be awesome

Me: NIU's problems go deeper than NIU completing desperation passes


People are sleep walking and finding an easy guy to attack with Childers. It reminds me of all those drunk Bear fans who ALWAYS ALWAYS call for the backup QB to play. The backup QB is always the best player in the world. People are not even looking at the source of the problem which is not Childers. I just get extremely frustrated at destroying a kid who was put in a tremendously non-ideal situation. It sickens me

That’s where your argument defies logic, and is filled with contradictions. You complain that Childers development was slowed because “he was thrown in the fire”. Just the opposite happened he was introduced to the starting role at he weakest part of the schedule. You say he had valuable reps taken away; again just the opposite, he will quite possibly enter his sophomore season with more game reps than any other Soph QB in the program’s history. You claim the offensive scheme is too conservative, when in actuality Childers was given every opportunity to make plays last season; sometimes he did, many times he didn’t; that is part of the development process... stick with your QB through thick and thin. Carey has done just that with Childers. Bottom line, I am the idiot for trying to reason with you.
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(07-06-2018 01:13 PM)Djud Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 12:58 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 12:52 PM)niu1980 Wrote:  Let me sum up this thread.

Non MD poster posts point of view

MD: Carey Sucks

Non MD poster posts point of view

MD: Carey Sucks

Non MD poster posts point of view

MD: Carey Sucks

And on and on and on, Etc., etc., etc.

Let me sum up the board

Non Me: Childers sucks

Me: Maybe he is not the only problem

Non Me: Childers is the root of all evil

Me: Maybe we have to look somewhere else for a problem, you know the guy who makes 500,000 a year instead of the red shirt freshman who was thrown into the fire

Non Me: If Childers only can complete those hail Mary's NIU will be awesome

Me: NIU's problems go deeper than NIU completing desperation passes


People are sleep walking and finding an easy guy to attack with Childers. It reminds me of all those drunk Bear fans who ALWAYS ALWAYS call for the backup QB to play. The backup QB is always the best player in the world. People are not even looking at the source of the problem which is not Childers. I just get extremely frustrated at destroying a kid who was put in a tremendously non-ideal situation. It sickens me

That’s where your argument defies logic, and is filled with contradictions. You complain that Childers development was slowed because “he was thrown in the fire”. Just the opposite happened he was introduced to the starting role at he weakest part of the schedule. You say he had valuable reps taken away; again just the opposite, he will quite possibly enter his sophomore season with more game reps than any other Soph QB in the program’s history. You claim the offensive scheme is too conservative, when in actuality Childers was given every opportunity to make plays last season; sometimes he did, many times he didn’t; that is part of the development process... stick with your QB through thick and thin. Carey has done just that with Childers. Bottom line, I am the idiot for trying to reason with you.

Childers and any QB playing in NIUs system under this coach have extremely low probabilities to succeed. It's not just how Carey handles the players but maybe even more so the predictable and conservative play calling. It's just sooooo easy on defenses right now. I know we are stuck with it, heck there isn't even enough money to bring the band to games let alone hire a.new coach, I just hate to see misplaced blame like we have seen here. That misplaced blame.is why I get so frustrated with STF, he insults NIU fans saying they are weak for not selling out Huskie Stadium, but never points out how ESPN deal is responsible for it. Rantover, sorry ,
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RE: Rooting for Childers
(07-06-2018 01:23 PM)Djud Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 12:58 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 12:52 PM)niu1980 Wrote:  Let me sum up this thread.

Non MD poster posts point of view

MD: Carey Sucks

Non MD poster posts point of view

MD: Carey Sucks

Non MD poster posts point of view

MD: Carey Sucks

And on and on and on, Etc., etc., etc.

Let me sum up the board

Non Me: Childers sucks

Me: Maybe he is not the only problem

Non Me: Childers is the root of all evil

Me: Maybe we have to look somewhere else for a problem, you know the guy who makes 500,000 a year instead of the red shirt freshman who was thrown into the fire

Non Me: If Childers only can complete those hail Mary's NIU will be awesome

Me: NIU's problems go deeper than NIU completing desperation passes


People are sleep walking and finding an easy guy to attack with Childers. It reminds me of all those drunk Bear fans who ALWAYS ALWAYS call for the backup QB to play. The backup QB is always the best player in the world. People are not even looking at the source of the problem which is not Childers. I just get extremely frustrated at destroying a kid who was put in a tremendously non-ideal situation. It sickens me

That’s where your argument defies logic, and is filled with contradictions. You complain that Childers development was slowed because “he was thrown in the fire”. Just the opposite happened he was introduced to the starting role at he weakest part of the schedule. You say he had valuable reps taken away; again just the opposite, he will quite possibly enter his sophomore season with more game reps than any other Soph QB in the program’s history. You claim the offensive scheme is too conservative, when in actuality Childers was given every opportunity to make plays last season; sometimes he did, many times he didn’t; that is part of the development process... stick with your QB through thick and thin. Carey has done just that with Childers. Bottom line, I am the idiot for trying to reason with you.

EXACTLY!!!

On the bright side, admitting this is the first step....03-lmfao

Here's to Djud... 04-cheers
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