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For VT. They spent a decade building a public private partnership with Carilion in Roanoke. They used state funding, private donations, and contributions from Carilion Health systems to grown the Med school. Tomorrow VT will officially announce it has a formal College of Medicine. If VT can do this in SW Va. We can do it in SE Va. I advocated 3 years ago for ODU, Sentara, and EVMS to pool resources, integrate programs and move down this EXACT path. Why hasn't this administration pursued this approach. Do State legislators have a prejudice against a minority serving institution growing a Med School ? Why isn't the region, University, and city leaders developing a proposal to do this exact same thing ? There is HUGE money in Medical research grants as well as it would grow the academic profile of ODU.

(06-29-2018 06:13 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  For VT. They spent a decade building a public private partnership with Carilion in Roanoke. They used state funding, private donations, and contributions from Carilion Health systems to grown the Med school. Tomorrow VT will officially announce it has a formal College of Medicine. If VT can do this in SW Va. We can do it in SE Va. I advocated 3 years ago for ODU, Sentara, and EVMS to pool resources, integrate programs and move down this EXACT path. Why hasn't this administration pursued this approach. Do State legislators have a prejudice against a minority serving institution growing a Med School ? Why isn't the region, University, and city leaders developing a proposal to do this exact same thing ? There is HUGE money in Medical research grants as well as it would grow the academic profile of ODU.

Dang. You got me. I was hoping for the long wished for ODU/EVMS partnership or merger. I've been wondering why ODU doesn't do the same thing for decades. It does seem as if the state purposefully holds the school back. I don't know, but it sure seems like it could be for the reason you stated. Then again VCU managed to have a med-school and they have similar demographics. Maybe they got grandfathered in. ODUs location in Hampton Roads, the desert of political clout in VA, is a serious issue. We had a small shot a few years ago when the Gen Assembly was set to vote on exploring the possibility of an ODU/EVMS merger and then W&Ms president said they'd be interested too and that put an end to that it seems. I think the state is much more interested in seeing ODU and NSU merge rather than ODU and EVMS.

Didn't ODU throw their hat into the ring when EVMS and W&M announced they were looking at getting together. I think EVMS wanted the prestige that came with the W&M name but any merger with them fell through due to EVMS budget issues?

It's been a few years since I've read up on this. I'll try and articles later.

If EVMS doesn't want to join up, I think Sentara's med school would be a good option. The VA Beach campus is near a Sentara location and ODU has med related programs being added over there.


Congrats to VT though.

(06-29-2018 07:33 PM)monarx Wrote:  Dang. You got me. I was hoping for the long wished for ODU/EVMS partnership or merger. I've been wondering why ODU doesn't do the same thing for decades. It does seem as if the state purposefully holds the school back. I don't know, but it sure seems like it could be for the reason you stated. Then again VCU managed to have a med-school and they have similar demographics. Maybe they got grandfathered in. ODUs location in Hampton Roads, the desert of political clout in VA, is a serious issue. We had a small shot a few years ago when the Gen Assembly was set to vote on exploring the possibility of an ODU/EVMS merger and then W&Ms president said they'd be interested too and that put an end to that it seems. I think the state is much more interested in seeing ODU and NSU merge rather than ODU and EVMS.

VCU's medical school started in 1838 as a division of Hampden-Sydney and became the independent Medical College of Virginia in 1854, more than 100 years before VCU was even conceived. That happened when the General Assembly merged MCV with Richmond Professional Institute in 1968, though the MCV name lived on until the early 2000s when it was finally renamed the VCU School of Medicine. So VCU's path to a med school was a lot different than ODU's will be.

(06-29-2018 08:54 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  Didn't ODU throw their hat into the ring when EVMS and W&M announced they were looking at getting together. I think EVMS wanted the prestige that came with the W&M name but any merger with them fell through due to EVMS budget issues?

It's been a few years since I've read up on this. I'll try and articles later.

If EVMS doesn't want to join up, I think Sentara's med school would be a good option. The VA Beach campus is near a Sentara location and ODU has med related programs being added over there.


Congrats to VT though.

Sentara doesn’t have a medical school - only a nursing program. Sentara and EVMS already have an affiliation.

Saw thread title on iphone.

got excited.

thought we finally struck a deal with EVMS.





aaaand_______No.

(06-29-2018 10:10 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 08:54 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  Didn't ODU throw their hat into the ring when EVMS and W&M announced they were looking at getting together. I think EVMS wanted the prestige that came with the W&M name but any merger with them fell through due to EVMS budget issues?

It's been a few years since I've read up on this. I'll try and articles later.

If EVMS doesn't want to join up, I think Sentara's med school would be a good option. The VA Beach campus is near a Sentara location and ODU has med related programs being added over there.


Congrats to VT though.

Sentara doesn’t have a medical school - only a nursing program. Sentara and EVMS already have an affiliation.

Correct...we all realize that. The point is neither did Carilion in Roanoke. They partnered with VT to develop a pathway for a medschool at VT. It took 10+ years to get it established and on solid footing. My point was simple ...ODU/Sentara/EVMS could easily form a partnership and grow it into a public University med school. Why can't SE Va. have a medschool as part of a Public University.

(06-30-2018 03:10 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 10:10 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 08:54 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  Didn't ODU throw their hat into the ring when EVMS and W&M announced they were looking at getting together. I think EVMS wanted the prestige that came with the W&M name but any merger with them fell through due to EVMS budget issues?

It's been a few years since I've read up on this. I'll try and articles later.

If EVMS doesn't want to join up, I think Sentara's med school would be a good option. The VA Beach campus is near a Sentara location and ODU has med related programs being added over there.


Congrats to VT though.

Sentara doesn’t have a medical school - only a nursing program. Sentara and EVMS already have an affiliation.

Correct...we all realize that. The point is neither did Carilion in Roanoke. They partnered with VT to develop a pathway for a medschool at VT. It took 10+ years to get it established and on solid footing. My point was simple ...ODU/Sentara/EVMS could easily form a partnership and grow it into a public University med school. Why can't SE Va. have a medschool as part of a Public University.

Your comment indicated Sentara had a medical school. I was just indicating they do not - EVMS is a medical school - so Sentara would never have an interest in starting one. The Carilion/VT situation is completely different than the situation with EVMS/ODU. But I’m always pulling for ODU is any situation.

Hampton Roads doesn't need a second med school and EVMS is certainly not going to be in a hurry to help ODU establish a school that takes students from it. If ODU wants a med school, they're going to have to merge/acquire EVMS.

(06-29-2018 06:13 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  For VT. They spent a decade building a public private partnership with Carilion in Roanoke. They used state funding, private donations, and contributions from Carilion Health systems to grown the Med school. Tomorrow VT will officially announce it has a formal College of Medicine. If VT can do this in SW Va. We can do it in SE Va. I advocated 3 years ago for ODU, Sentara, and EVMS to pool resources, integrate programs and move down this EXACT path. Why hasn't this administration pursued this approach. Do State legislators have a prejudice against a minority serving institution growing a Med School ? Why isn't the region, University, and city leaders developing a proposal to do this exact same thing ? There is HUGE money in Medical research grants as well as it would grow the academic profile of ODU.

Who told you that the ODU Admin has not pursued this approach?
There has been a lot going on behind the scenes with regard to a merger with EVMS for many years. EVMS is quasi-public, meaning they are private while receiving some public funds. The legislators are not interested in helping ODU by threatening funding (Yes, I have spoken to a high ranking one that said that). EVMS does not want to be associated with ODU and would rather be associated with W&M. W&M is not on board with getting into that field, at least not yet.

These last two post's sum it nicely.

(07-01-2018 08:31 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 06:13 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  For VT. They spent a decade building a public private partnership with Carilion in Roanoke. They used state funding, private donations, and contributions from Carilion Health systems to grown the Med school. Tomorrow VT will officially announce it has a formal College of Medicine. If VT can do this in SW Va. We can do it in SE Va. I advocated 3 years ago for ODU, Sentara, and EVMS to pool resources, integrate programs and move down this EXACT path. Why hasn't this administration pursued this approach. Do State legislators have a prejudice against a minority serving institution growing a Med School ? Why isn't the region, University, and city leaders developing a proposal to do this exact same thing ? There is HUGE money in Medical research grants as well as it would grow the academic profile of ODU.

Who told you that the ODU Admin has not pursued this approach?
There has been a lot going on behind the scenes with regard to a merger with EVMS for many years. EVMS is quasi-public, meaning they are private while receiving some public funds. The legislators are not interested in helping ODU by threatening funding (Yes, I have spoken to a high ranking one that said that). EVMS does not want to be associated with ODU and would rather be associated with W&M. W&M is not on board with getting into that field, at least not yet.

This is very accurate but I’d just add that some of the original people pushing for that merger between EVMS and W&M are no longer involved. That significantly changes the dynamic from the original proposal.

(07-01-2018 12:05 PM)ODU2003 Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 08:31 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 06:13 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  For VT. They spent a decade building a public private partnership with Carilion in Roanoke. They used state funding, private donations, and contributions from Carilion Health systems to grown the Med school. Tomorrow VT will officially announce it has a formal College of Medicine. If VT can do this in SW Va. We can do it in SE Va. I advocated 3 years ago for ODU, Sentara, and EVMS to pool resources, integrate programs and move down this EXACT path. Why hasn't this administration pursued this approach. Do State legislators have a prejudice against a minority serving institution growing a Med School ? Why isn't the region, University, and city leaders developing a proposal to do this exact same thing ? There is HUGE money in Medical research grants as well as it would grow the academic profile of ODU.

Who told you that the ODU Admin has not pursued this approach?
There has been a lot going on behind the scenes with regard to a merger with EVMS for many years. EVMS is quasi-public, meaning they are private while receiving some public funds. The legislators are not interested in helping ODU by threatening funding (Yes, I have spoken to a high ranking one that said that). EVMS does not want to be associated with ODU and would rather be associated with W&M. W&M is not on board with getting into that field, at least not yet.

This is very accurate but I’d just add that some of the original people pushing for that merger between EVMS and W&M are no longer involved. That significantly changes the dynamic from the original proposal.

Hmmm...what does say about ODU if EVMS does not want to be associated with ODU. Why would OUR elected legislators be a strong enough lobby to help overcome others like Norment in the legislature ? If ODU is to grow academically and raise it's profile we must grow our programs in Health science including a med school. That is where the big money is from a research perspective.

(07-01-2018 06:23 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 12:05 PM)ODU2003 Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 08:31 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 06:13 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  For VT. They spent a decade building a public private partnership with Carilion in Roanoke. They used state funding, private donations, and contributions from Carilion Health systems to grown the Med school. Tomorrow VT will officially announce it has a formal College of Medicine. If VT can do this in SW Va. We can do it in SE Va. I advocated 3 years ago for ODU, Sentara, and EVMS to pool resources, integrate programs and move down this EXACT path. Why hasn't this administration pursued this approach. Do State legislators have a prejudice against a minority serving institution growing a Med School ? Why isn't the region, University, and city leaders developing a proposal to do this exact same thing ? There is HUGE money in Medical research grants as well as it would grow the academic profile of ODU.

Who told you that the ODU Admin has not pursued this approach?
There has been a lot going on behind the scenes with regard to a merger with EVMS for many years. EVMS is quasi-public, meaning they are private while receiving some public funds. The legislators are not interested in helping ODU by threatening funding (Yes, I have spoken to a high ranking one that said that). EVMS does not want to be associated with ODU and would rather be associated with W&M. W&M is not on board with getting into that field, at least not yet.

This is very accurate but I’d just add that some of the original people pushing for that merger between EVMS and W&M are no longer involved. That significantly changes the dynamic from the original proposal.

Hmmm...what does say about ODU if EVMS does not want to be associated with ODU. Why would OUR elected legislators be a strong enough lobby to help overcome others like Norment in the legislature ? If ODU is to grow academically and raise it's profile we must grow our programs in Health science including a med school. That is where the big money is from a research perspective.

Please pick up what I’m putting down. Many of the original parties who were pro EVMS - W&M are no longer involved. That changes the dynamic significantly.

And there is zero chance that ODU gets a medical school outside of a merger with EVMS.

(07-01-2018 08:51 PM)ODU2003 Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 06:23 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 12:05 PM)ODU2003 Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 08:31 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 06:13 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  For VT. They spent a decade building a public private partnership with Carilion in Roanoke. They used state funding, private donations, and contributions from Carilion Health systems to grown the Med school. Tomorrow VT will officially announce it has a formal College of Medicine. If VT can do this in SW Va. We can do it in SE Va. I advocated 3 years ago for ODU, Sentara, and EVMS to pool resources, integrate programs and move down this EXACT path. Why hasn't this administration pursued this approach. Do State legislators have a prejudice against a minority serving institution growing a Med School ? Why isn't the region, University, and city leaders developing a proposal to do this exact same thing ? There is HUGE money in Medical research grants as well as it would grow the academic profile of ODU.

Who told you that the ODU Admin has not pursued this approach?
There has been a lot going on behind the scenes with regard to a merger with EVMS for many years. EVMS is quasi-public, meaning they are private while receiving some public funds. The legislators are not interested in helping ODU by threatening funding (Yes, I have spoken to a high ranking one that said that). EVMS does not want to be associated with ODU and would rather be associated with W&M. W&M is not on board with getting into that field, at least not yet.

This is very accurate but I’d just add that some of the original people pushing for that merger between EVMS and W&M are no longer involved. That significantly changes the dynamic from the original proposal.

Hmmm...what does say about ODU if EVMS does not want to be associated with ODU. Why would OUR elected legislators be a strong enough lobby to help overcome others like Norment in the legislature ? If ODU is to grow academically and raise it's profile we must grow our programs in Health science including a med school. That is where the big money is from a research perspective.

Please pick up what I’m putting down. Many of the original parties who were pro EVMS - W&M are no longer involved. That changes the dynamic significantly.

And there is zero chance that ODU gets a medical school outside of a merger with EVMS.

its not even up for debate lololol