Quote:Obama’s hidden Iran deal giveaway

By dropping charges against major arms targets, the administration infuriated Justice Department officials — and undermined its own counterproliferation task forces.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/2...ase-236966

Quote:Iran Nuclear Deal Formally Adopted

U.S. plays down some concerns that Iran hasn’t done enough to answer IAEA questions

https://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-nuclea...1445195172

Quote:Iran Shoots a Hole in the Nuclear Deal

THE UNITED STATES IS quickly discovering how tragically impotent the nuclear deal with Iran is. Last week, Iran tested two new ballistic missiles that the United States claimed violated United Nations restrictions on Iran’s missile program. The White House suggested imposing a new round of sanctions but abruptly ran into legal turbulence. It seems that the nuclear deal may make it difficult, if not impossible, to rein in Tehran’s ballistic missile ambitions.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/wor...clear-deal

Quote:Iran’s Emboldened Ayatollahs

https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-journa...A3562.html

Quote:The IAEA’s Latest Report Falls Short

The International Atomic Energy Agency’s most recent report on Iran’s nuclear activities provides insufficient details on important verification and monitoring issues. The report does not list inventories of nuclear materials and equipment or the status of key sites and facilities. Without detailed reporting, the international community cannot be sure that Iran is upholding its commitments under the nuclear deal. Over the longer term, this will hamper efforts to reach a “broader conclusion” that all nuclear material and activities are accounted for and for peaceful use.

https://www.belfercenter.org/publication...alls-short

Quote:UN agency IAEA reports Iran has again violated terms of nuclear deal

Iran has violated the terms of its nuclear deal, according to the UN's nuclear monitoring agency. While Iran is resolving the issue it comes as Donald Trump who threatened to undo the deal, won the White House.

https://www.dw.com/en/un-agency-iaea-rep...a-36331576

Yeah, a real peach of a deal. I think one need only look at Tehran's belligerent attitude towards the US once the deal was in place and thereby saving their economy versus the shyte-show that government is experiencing today to gauge if the deal was a good one for them or for us.

That government may fall without us firing a single shot in anger.

(07-02-2018 12:21 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 05:02 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 02:14 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 06:31 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 02:42 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Careful what you wish for because history has shown the political bash lash and the party in power shifts. History has also shown the Conserative to be on the wrong side pretty darn consistently.

History has never seen an opposition party go full tilt marxist, open border and hate America crazy either. This midterm elections could see the Trump hating left go completely mad like rabid dogs. They are almost there now.

Wow just like the left that “Hates America”. you seem so open to honest discussion.

Psst, you obviously don’t understand Marxism because you continually mislabel it.

Socialism, Marxism, or Communism .... who cares? They don't define the founding principals of our country's government in any way, shape, or form (which is Capitalism). Any political party (such as the Dems with their Progressive/Socialism agendas) that tries to change that is anti-American in my book.

Well then you don’t need roads, schools, police and fire or social security. Do you realize absolute Capitalism is just as corrupt as any other system. That is why we have a mixture for our system.

Socialism, Marxism, or Communism .... who cares? They don't define the founding principals of our country's government in any way, shape, or form (which is Capitalism). Any political party (such as the Dems with their Progressive/Socialism agendas) that tries to change that is anti-American in my book.

(07-02-2018 08:08 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  The NK was a photo opp for both sides... Trump did something no other American President would do. He legitimized KJU on the world stage. He praised him, he praised how he handles his citizens, and he willingly made him equals with the United States. He then agree to stop military exercises near Korea because KJU gave him a statement on denuclearization at a photo opp. There was no plan in place, no means of monitoring progress, no timetable...nothing. We got nothing and they got everything they wanted out of the Summit. When you have a president clueless about diplomacy, foreign policy who needs his intel in one page bullet points and trusts foreign dictators over his own intelligence agencies you have the makings of disaster in your foreign policy.

You can tell how completely disingenuous Trump lovers are when you compare their attitude towards Trump with NK and Obama with Iran. With Iran we had specific timetables, means of monitor and criteria they need to meet. We had the UN security counsel and the EU on board. Even the professionals in the Trump administration said they were meeting the criteria established in the deal. And we got all of that without President Obama lavishly praising the regime or giving them legitimacy on the national stage. Trump lovers called it appeasement. With NK we give NK everything they wanted out of the Summit... we get nothing in return and they call it a big win.

They got a "photo op" and Trump cancelled a scheduled military exercise with South Korea. That's it??? What exactly are they going to do with all of that stuff they got? Sell autographed photos of their meeting together on Ebay?

Trump can turn the military exercise back on just as quickly as he cancelled it. Apparently you would like for that to be some kind of a big deal. It isn't. Trump didn't cancel any of the sanctions that were put on long before the summit. You keep saying that Trump got nothing from North Korea. I think the 3 American hostages being held there that he got returned would say differently. And who would even believe that a president could get hostages back from a hostile regime without paying millions in ransom? I know Obama could sure take some lessons on that.

(06-30-2018 01:19 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(06-30-2018 08:36 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(06-30-2018 12:17 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 10:33 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 09:30 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  He has to check with the thought police, have to wait for an answer.

My answer doesn't even say much. Option 3 - a world without Clinton or Trump. That would be a better place. Believe me.

My question was aimed at a different point. Bill Maher has come out in favor of a recession to get rid of Trump. I'm asking if you would be in favor of nuclear war to get rid of him. Just how big a calamity would you wish for, if it took that to get rid off Trump?

I'm not wishing for anything but more popcorn. This clown show is going as planned. Taking all of this too personal is the reason people are going nuts.

No ... The clown show ended a year and a half ago. You'll also have to buy your own popcorn now. No more free healthcare, phones, popcorn, etc. that the rest of us have to pay for.

The fart act. Daily comedy. It's ******* daily.




http://observer.com/2018/07/fart-act-rep...ariff-war/

(07-02-2018 11:10 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(06-30-2018 01:19 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(06-30-2018 08:36 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(06-30-2018 12:17 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 10:33 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  My answer doesn't even say much. Option 3 - a world without Clinton or Trump. That would be a better place. Believe me.

My question was aimed at a different point. Bill Maher has come out in favor of a recession to get rid of Trump. I'm asking if you would be in favor of nuclear war to get rid of him. Just how big a calamity would you wish for, if it took that to get rid off Trump?

I'm not wishing for anything but more popcorn. This clown show is going as planned. Taking all of this too personal is the reason people are going nuts.

No ... The clown show ended a year and a half ago. You'll also have to buy your own popcorn now. No more free healthcare, phones, popcorn, etc. that the rest of us have to pay for.

The fart act. Daily comedy. It's ******* daily.




http://observer.com/2018/07/fart-act-rep...ariff-war/

Wrong thread for that post CB. Not surprising for someone that puts on a Trump mask and films himself kicking around on his back on a golf green.

(07-02-2018 09:11 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-02-2018 12:21 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 05:02 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 02:14 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 06:31 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  History has never seen an opposition party go full tilt marxist, open border and hate America crazy either. This midterm elections could see the Trump hating left go completely mad like rabid dogs. They are almost there now.

Wow just like the left that “Hates America”. you seem so open to honest discussion.

Psst, you obviously don’t understand Marxism because you continually mislabel it.

Socialism, Marxism, or Communism .... who cares? They don't define the founding principals of our country's government in any way, shape, or form (which is Capitalism). Any political party (such as the Dems with their Progressive/Socialism agendas) that tries to change that is anti-American in my book.

Well then you don’t need roads, schools, police and fire or social security. Do you realize absolute Capitalism is just as corrupt as any other system. That is why we have a mixture for our system.

Socialism, Marxism, or Communism .... who cares? They don't define the founding principals of our country's government in any way, shape, or form (which is Capitalism). Any political party (such as the Dems with their Progressive/Socialism agendas) that tries to change that is anti-American in my book.

We are not a pure Capitalist system. Never have been. The founding principle are freedoms. One of which is to own property but that does not extend to define our economic system. If you don't know the difference and can't tell what one or any of them are then there is no point in discussing it further

I love the way whenever you say something good about our economic system, the left chimes in with, "but it's not capitalism, it's a mix of capitalism and socialism," but whenever they want to criticize something, it's, "unbridled capitalism." Well, it either is or it isn't. One or the other. Which one?

(07-04-2018 03:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I love the way whenever you say something good about our economic system, the left chimes in with, "but it's not capitalism, it's a mix of capitalism and socialism," but whenever they want to criticize something, it's, "unbridled capitalism." Well, it either is or it isn't. One or the other. Which one?

That would be like me saying you responsible for the dumbs*** arguments of the others on your "side"

(07-04-2018 03:42 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(07-02-2018 09:11 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-02-2018 12:21 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 05:02 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 02:14 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Wow just like the left that “Hates America”. you seem so open to honest discussion.

Psst, you obviously don’t understand Marxism because you continually mislabel it.

Socialism, Marxism, or Communism .... who cares? They don't define the founding principals of our country's government in any way, shape, or form (which is Capitalism). Any political party (such as the Dems with their Progressive/Socialism agendas) that tries to change that is anti-American in my book.

Well then you don’t need roads, schools, police and fire or social security. Do you realize absolute Capitalism is just as corrupt as any other system. That is why we have a mixture for our system.

Socialism, Marxism, or Communism .... who cares? They don't define the founding principals of our country's government in any way, shape, or form (which is Capitalism). Any political party (such as the Dems with their Progressive/Socialism agendas) that tries to change that is anti-American in my book.

We are not a pure Capitalist system. Never have been. The founding principle are freedoms. One of which is to own property but that does not extend to define our economic system. If you don't know the difference and can't tell what one or any of them are then there is no point in discussing it further

Sure the founding principals were based upon freedoms. If you don't see Socialism, Marxism, or Communism cutting into those freedoms granted by the Constitution of the United States then there is no point in discussing it further. It's really not that difficult to see.

(07-04-2018 03:53 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(07-04-2018 03:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I love the way whenever you say something good about our economic system, the left chimes in with, "but it's not capitalism, it's a mix of capitalism and socialism," but whenever they want to criticize something, it's, "unbridled capitalism." Well, it either is or it isn't. One or the other. Which one?

That would be like me saying you responsible for the dumbs*** arguments of the others on your "side"

Umm, no.

(06-29-2018 05:35 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 05:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  And North Korea is building a new nuke site that Trump boasted that they are denuclearizing.

When president dummy speaks, the lemmings will listen. There is no threat, because I said so. I trust him. He's a good noble man. LOL

This is exactly what Obama said about Iran & Russia.

To get back to the topic of this thread...one wonders how much power KJI really has. Is he actually the ‘supreme leader’ who’s voice is the law of ‘god’? Or is he a puppet of some cabal of hard liners? Did he give the order to kill his brother in a fashion pointing the finger right back at him? Those of us old enough to remember the old USSR understand the question.

I don’t know the answer to these questions but if the deal is not done and he winds up dying of a ‘cold’ I guess we’ll get the answer. He seems to be a lot less of a madman in public and Bolton said KJI wanted a picture with him to show his ‘hardliners’ that Bolton wasn’t such a bad guy.???
In any case, they are not firing off missles and testing nukes anymore so you would have to paint that as a definitive win for Trump and the rest of the world.