USA Today's revenue reports are out.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...742363002/

For the G5ers. USA Today numbers broken down for the G5 + UA-Little Rock and Tex-Arlington chart is at the end.
https://247sports.com/college/arkansas-s...119439194/

Note that you can sort the report by any column, revenues, expenses, subsidy, % subsidy, conference, alphabetical.

(06-28-2018 04:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  For the G5ers.

The Pac 12 has 6 of the bottom 15 reporting P5 schools in terms of donations + ticket sales.

Wash St 15.9M
Ore St 23.1M
Utah 26.1M
Ariz St 29.8M
Colo 29.8M
Ariz 33.7M

Houston and New Mexico seem reasonable Pac 12 options, just looking at fan dollar support (which would rise for those schools with P5 membership).

Longhorns and Aggies lay in greenbacks. Horned Frogs lay in wins.

(06-28-2018 04:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  For the G5ers. USA Today numbers broken down for the G5 + UA-Little Rock and Tex-Arlington chart is at the end.
https://247sports.com/college/arkansas-s...119439194/

Of the bottom 34 G5 + indies in self-generated revenue, only San Jose is from the MWC or AAC. Only Arkansas St. cracks the MWC/AAC monopoly of the top 18. ODU is #19, ULL #20, Utah St., next to last in the MwC, is #21.

Ive broken them down:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-852566.html

(06-28-2018 04:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  For the G5ers. USA Today numbers broken down for the G5 + UA-Little Rock and Tex-Arlington chart is at the end.
https://247sports.com/college/arkansas-s...119439194/

That UConn number ... $42 million in subsidies!

A little over $60M in revenue for my alma mater-- not bad. We'll be generating a lot more revenue from our basketball arena re-do which opens up this academic year. We'll be taking a hit as we lose out on the Big East exit fee revenue-- hopefully that new AAC media deal helps bridge that loss (enter obligatory reply from MWC fan telling us the AAC will only be making $3M a year or less per team).

Every AAC member over 45 million in revenue even before the new TV deal. We're starting to see some group separation in revenues between P6 and G4.

(06-29-2018 08:51 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Every AAC member over 45 million in revenue even before the new TV deal. We're starting to see some group separation in revenues between P6 and G4.

If anything it gives a lot of support to the idea of a tweener conference but certainly not a P6.

(06-29-2018 09:13 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 08:51 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Every AAC member over 45 million in revenue even before the new TV deal. We're starting to see some group separation in revenues between P6 and G4.

If anything it gives a lot of support to the idea of a tweener conference but certainly not a P6.

The AAC has members with revenues larger than members of the B12 and ACC, so I think it does.

I wonder what the red text with the asterisk means in the allocation figures.

(06-29-2018 09:47 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I wonder what the red text with the asterisk means in the allocation figures.

It means they netted out the amount paid back to the University


Edit: Probably. If you click on the red it'll tell you the notes but all the ones I clicked on said that.

(06-29-2018 10:00 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 09:47 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I wonder what the red text with the asterisk means in the allocation figures.

It means they netted out the amount paid back to the University


Edit: Probably. If you click on the red it'll tell you the notes but all the ones I clicked on said that.

Ah, thanks. I was on my cell phone and couldn't tell they were links.

The general strategy is that “more spending leads to more wins,” said David Berri, a sports economist and professor at Southern Utah. "No, it’s probably the other way around: If you win more, you’ll have more revenue and can spend more money. That’s why we end up with this.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...736222002/

(06-29-2018 08:51 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Every AAC member over 45 million in revenue even before the new TV deal. We're starting to see some group separation in revenues between P6 and G4.

Don't be silly. Average total revenue for reported (i.e., public) schools based on the USA Today data:

SEC: $142M ($141M)
Big Ten: $125M ($120M)
Big 12: $116M ($113M)
ACC: $102M ($94M)
Pac-12: $98M ($91M)

AAC: $58M ($32M)
MWC: $44M ($24M)
MAC: $32M ($11M)
CUSA: $32M ($13M)
SBC: $28M ($11M)

The gap between P5 and G5 is even more stark if you subtract out the total allocated (this average is in parentheses).

Thought this might be informative:

Total Revenue - Total Allocated

1. Texas (Big 12): $214,830,647
2. Texas A&M (SEC): $211,960,034
3. Ohio State (Big Ten): $185,409,602
4. Michigan (Big Ten): $184,892,540
5. Alabama (SEC): $171,368,471
6. Oklahoma (Big 12): $155,238,481
7. Georgia (SEC): $154,579,057
8. LSU (SEC): $147,744,233
9. Florida (SEC): $147,597,669
10. Tennessee (SEC): $145,653,191
11. Oregon (Pac-12): $145,146,093
12. Penn State (Big Ten): $144,017,055
13. Auburn (SEC): $143,877,513
14. Wisconsin (Big Ten): $140,577,668
15. Florida State (ACC): $137,067,970
16. South Carolina (SEC): $136,032,845
17. Kentucky (SEC): $130,706,744
18. Iowa (Big Ten): $130,031,467
19. Arkansas (SEC): $129,680,808
20. Michigan State (Big Ten): $125,120,320
21. Washington (Pac-12): $125,002,569
22. Nebraska (Big Ten): $120,205,090
23. Louisville (ACC): $115,061,585
24. Ole Miss (SEC): $115,049,632
25. Clemson (ACC): $107,128,076
26. West Virginia (Big 12): $106,398,390
27. Indiana (Big Ten): $103,570,148
28. Minnesota (Big Ten): $101,559,728
29. UCLA (Pac-12): $101,398,528
30. Mississippi State (SEC): $100,062,237
31. Missouri (SEC): $96,833,195
32. Illinois (Big Ten): $94,166,031
33. Kansas (Big 12): $93,330,553
34. California (Pac-12): $90,976,576
35. Oklahoma State (Big 12): $87,971,780
36. North Carolina (ACC): $87,766,489
37. Kansas State (Big 12): $85,631,528
38. Purdue (Big Ten): $84,841,133
39. Texas Tech (Big 12): $83,004,598
40. Arizona State (Pac-12): $82,713,489
41. Colorado (Pac-12): $81,648,541
42. Arizona (Pac-12): $80,907,477
43. Iowa State (Big 12): $80,526,228
44. Maryland (Big Ten): $80,407,698
45. Virginia (ACC): $78,922,704
46. Virginia Tech (ACC): $78,538,989
47. NC State (ACC): $77,189,781
48. Georgia Tech (ACC): $74,110,598
49. Oregon State (Pac-12): $71,833,107
50. Utah (Pac-12): $71,250,924
51. Rutgers (Big Ten): $63,795,549
52. Washington State (Pac-12): $59,031,461
53. Connecticut (American): $41,146,611
54. Cincinnati (American): $33,712,689
55. Boise State (MWC): $32,870,925
56. New Mexico (MWC): $32,726,041
57. Houston (American): $31,471,449
58. Memphis (American): $30,459,609
59. Central Florida (American): $28,665,298
60. East Carolina (American): $28,572,811
61. South Florida (American): $28,456,608
62. San Diego State (MWC): $28,131,821
63. Hawaii (Big West): $27,293,981
64. Arkansas State (Sun Belt): $26,834,734
65. Air Force (MWC): $26,238,533
66. UNLV (MWC): $25,705,038
67. Fresno State (MWC): $25,580,591
68. Nevada (MWC): $24,477,603
69. Wyoming (MWC): $21,920,177
70. Colorado State (MWC): $21,407,079
71. Wichita State (MVC): $19,911,942
72. Montana (Big Sky): $19,739,927
73. North Dakota State (Summit): $19,387,274
74. Old Dominion (CUSA): $17,522,301
75. Louisiana-Lafayette (Sun Belt): $15,526,545
76. Utah State (MWC): $15,487,179
77. Southern Miss (CUSA): $15,152,035
78. North Dakota (Big Sky): $15,093,410
79. Marshall (CUSA): $14,941,797
80. Western Michigan (MAC): $14,166,829
81. South Dakota State (Summit): $14,063,297
82. Louisiana Tech (CUSA): $14,035,665
83. Appalachian State (Sun Belt): $13,801,163
84. VCU (A-10): $13,688,469
85. Western Kentucky (CUSA): $13,585,149
86. UTEP (CUSA): $13,295,339
87. Miami-OH (MAC): $13,072,385
88. William & Mary (CAA): $12,743,126
89. Charlotte (CUSA): $12,221,906
90. Georgia Southern (Sun Belt): $12,147,375
91. Ohio (MAC): $12,144,681
92. Toledo (MAC): $11,852,114
93. Montana State (Big Sky): $11,737,187
94. Middle Tennessee (CUSA): $11,663,536
95. UTSA (CUSA): $11,386,703
96. Omaha (Summit): $10,892,719
97. Massachusetts (A-10): $10,804,075
98. North Texas (CUSA): $10,751,742
99. Akron (MAC): $10,690,054
100. Texas State (Sun Belt): $10,658,679
101. FAU (CUSA): $10,556,098
102. Idaho (Big Sky): $10,485,963
103. Buffalo (MAC): $10,263,799
104. San Jose State (MWC): $10,241,502
105. Northern Iowa (MVC): $10,212,620
106. Kent State (MAC): $10,179,871
107. South Alabama (Sun Belt): $10,028,921
108. Missouri State (MVC): $9,853,013
109. New Hampshire (AEC): $9,821,259
110. Cal Poly (Big West): $9,672,804
111. Central Michigan (MAC): $9,615,178
112. Bowling Green (MAC): $9,421,045
113. FIU (CUSA): $9,361,171
114. UAB (CUSA): $9,314,790
115. New Mexico State (WAC): $9,280,696
116. Eastern Michigan (MAC): $9,201,749
117. James Madison (CAA): $9,090,480
118. Northern Illinois (MAC): $8,979,398
119. Louisiana-Monroe (Sun Belt): $8,918,906
120. Illinois State (MVC): $8,755,945
121. UC Davis (Big West): $8,511,157
122. Southern Illinois (MVC): $8,376,467
123. Troy (Sun Belt): $8,250,472
124. Delaware (CAA): $7,820,754
125. Georgia State (Sun Belt): $7,806,714
126. George Mason (A-10): $7,379,602
127. South Dakota (Summit): $7,298,820
128. VMI (SoCon): $7,202,697
129. Rhode Island (A-10): $6,920,352
130. Citadel (SoCon): $6,816,300
131. Long Beach State (Big West): $6,802,911
132. Maine (AEC): $6,760,314
133. Ball State (MAC): $6,696,468
134. Florida A&M (MEAC): $6,136,764
135. Binghamton (AEC): $5,994,960
136. Kennesaw State (ASUN): $5,877,126
137. SE Louisiana (Southland): $5,796,143
138. Vermont (AEC): $5,715,254
139. Austin Peay (OVC): $5,682,623
140. FGCU (ASUN): $5,659,911
141. Stony Brook (AEC): $5,658,570
142. UNC Wilmington (CAA): $5,652,227
143. Sacramento State (Big Sky): $5,510,737
144. Northern Colorado (Big Sky): $5,470,403
145. Coastal Carolina (Sun Belt): $5,452,701
146. Northwestern State (Southland): $5,447,257
147. Chattanooga (SoCon): $5,429,755
148. Albany (AEC): $5,328,422
149. East Tennessee (SoCon): $5,320,038
150. McNeese State (Southland): $5,266,052
151. NC Central (MEAC): $5,254,809
152. Sam Houston (Southland): $5,230,798
153. Eastern Washington (Big Sky): $5,043,968
154. Western Carolina (SoCon): $5,039,734
155. Youngstown State (Horizon): $5,009,416
156. CSU Bakersfield (WAC): $4,981,320
157. UC Santa Barbara (Big West): $4,794,695
158. Charleston (CAA): $4,782,409
159. Weber State (Big Sky): $4,756,676
160. Jackson State (SWAC): $4,735,061
161. Prairie View (SWAC): $4,722,577
162. UIC (Horizon): $4,639,828
163. UC Irvine (Big West): $4,627,177
164. Little Rock (Sun Belt): $4,586,187
165. Northern Arizona (Big Sky): $4,475,421
166. Murray State (OVC): $4,452,458
167. Green Bay (Horizon): $4,442,822
168. Idaho State (Big Sky): $4,357,526
169. Jacksonville State (OVC): $4,255,306
170. Southern Utah (Big Sky): $4,236,249
171. Central Arkansas (Southland): $4,138,152
172. Grambling State (SWAC): $3,966,165
173. Eastern Kentucky (OVC): $3,919,315
174. Alabama State (SWAC): $3,911,027
175. Tennessee Tech (OVC): $3,873,513
176. Southeast Missouri (OVC): $3,858,358
177. SC State (MEAC): $3,791,115
178. NC A&T (MEAC): $3,687,889
179. Oakland (Horizon): $3,623,388
180. Southern (SWAC): $3,572,325
181. North Florida (ASUN): $3,510,081
182. Portland State (Big Sky): $3,477,202
183. Texas-Arlington (Sun Belt): $3,471,333
184. Utah Valley (WAC): $3,451,411
185. Towson (CAA): $3,412,886
186. Indiana State (MVC): $3,394,121
187. Milwaukee (Horizon): $3,367,938
188. UMKC (WAC): $3,350,365
189. UMBC (AEC): $3,279,140
190. CSU Northridge (Big West): $3,273,352
191. Central Connecticut (NEC): $3,263,273
192. Norfolk State (MEAC): $3,252,181
193. CSU Fullerton (Big West): $3,237,337
194. Lamar (Southland): $3,229,222
195. Nicholls State (Southland): $3,219,843
196. Eastern Illinois (OVC): $3,206,213
197. Tennessee-Martin (OVC): $3,129,670
198. Delaware State (MEAC): $3,049,667
199. Western Illinois (Summit): $3,018,780
200. Umass Lowell (AEC): $3,005,234
201. Stephen F. Austin (Southland): $3,002,980
202. Alabama A&M (SWAC): $2,951,227
203. UNC Greensboro (SoCon): $2,948,499
204. Winthrop (Big South): $2,788,884
205. Tennessee State (OVC): $2,646,613
206. SIU Edwardsville (OVC): $2,613,356
207. Texas A&M-CC (Southland): $2,532,496
208. Alcorn State (SWAC): $2,457,271
209. UNC Asheville (Big South): $2,387,091
210. Wright State (Horizon): $2,344,421
211. UC Riverside (Big West): $2,328,464
212. Fort Wayne (Summit): $2,321,592
213. Arkansas-Pine Bluff (SWAC): $2,239,691
214. UTRGV (WAC): $2,209,650
215. MVSU (SWAC): $2,186,258
216. Radford (Big South): $2,091,491
217. Morgan State (MEAC): $2,088,287
218. Cleveland State (Horizon): $2,006,858
219. NJIT (ASUN): $1,989,243
220. Texas Southern (SWAC): $1,938,263
221. Longwood (Big South): $1,891,275
222. New Orleans (Southland): $1,846,859
223. Morehead State (OVC): $1,801,928
224. Northern Kentucky (Horizon): $1,773,617
225. IUPUI (Summit): $1,669,652
226. Savannah State (MEAC): $1,655,971
227. UMES (MEAC): $1,460,192
228. USC Upstate (ASUN): $1,209,705
229. Chicago State (WAC): $1,000,950
230. Coppin State (MEAC): $980,183

(06-29-2018 09:36 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 09:13 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 08:51 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Every AAC member over 45 million in revenue even before the new TV deal. We're starting to see some group separation in revenues between P6 and G4.

If anything it gives a lot of support to the idea of a tweener conference but certainly not a P6.

The AAC has members with revenues larger than members of the B12 and ACC, so I think it does.

It’s understandable that you want to think that.

A look at the conference totals and averages makes it impossible for any reasonable person to believe there is a P6.

(06-29-2018 08:51 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Every AAC member over 45 million in revenue even before the new TV deal. We're starting to see some group separation in revenues between P6 and G4.

I'd say you have to subtract out the subsidies first. E.g., my USF had $49m in athletic 'revenue', but $21m is from soaking our students with fees, so the actual amount is really $28m.