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RE: USA Today released athletic finances for 2016-17
(07-06-2018 10:19 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 08:40 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(06-30-2018 09:43 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  Yep, fan generated revenue tells you everything you need to know about the overall health of an athletic program. You can be subsidized out the ass and still be in debt and not winning titles.

I dont think anyone wants to be critical of FIU or the others with huge student bodies, high student fee revenue, or state supplements. Nothing wrong with calling attention though to the fact that FIU, for example, is a program geared mostly toward the students because the general public has very little interest as exhibited by puny ticket sales. Students pay the fees to support the program, mostly students show up at the games, reminds one of an intramural program.

Why is it that you are not just as concern about S. Miss basketball?

This past season was the first Western game that I missed going to while playing at FIU....15 to 17 hour drive.

To tell the truth...sometimes I don't want to leave the beach or stop fishing or just site seeing to go to the games.

FIU has a attendance problem and it's something everyone on this knows about. Even FIU fans. But they never really had a run in college football. So lets give them that chance and see if it changes. But you have to be very passionate about football to push all the other things to do in that area, aside.

The ticket sales revenue includes ALL sports therefore is an insight to a schools OVERALL program which is what we are talking about. At USM the sports selling most tickets would probably be football and baseball. Other schools like ODU might be hitting it big on basketball. So, undiluted total ticket sales is the guage.
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RE: USA Today released athletic finances for 2016-17
(07-06-2018 02:12 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 10:19 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 08:40 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(06-30-2018 09:43 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  Yep, fan generated revenue tells you everything you need to know about the overall health of an athletic program. You can be subsidized out the ass and still be in debt and not winning titles.

I dont think anyone wants to be critical of FIU or the others with huge student bodies, high student fee revenue, or state supplements. Nothing wrong with calling attention though to the fact that FIU, for example, is a program geared mostly toward the students because the general public has very little interest as exhibited by puny ticket sales. Students pay the fees to support the program, mostly students show up at the games, reminds one of an intramural program.

Why is it that you are not just as concern about S. Miss basketball?

This past season was the first Western game that I missed going to while playing at FIU....15 to 17 hour drive.

To tell the truth...sometimes I don't want to leave the beach or stop fishing or just site seeing to go to the games.

FIU has a attendance problem and it's something everyone on this knows about. Even FIU fans. But they never really had a run in college football. So lets give them that chance and see if it changes. But you have to be very passionate about football to push all the other things to do in that area, aside.

The ticket sales revenue includes ALL sports therefore is an insight to a schools OVERALL program which is what we are talking about. At USM the sports selling most tickets would probably be football and baseball. Other schools like ODU might be hitting it big on basketball. So, undiluted total ticket sales is the guage.

You are side stepping the question because on one hand you are talking FIU football attendance. Then on the other dont want to look at S. Miss's poor basketball attendance.

Look I know S. Miss will support a winning basketball program and they refuse to when its not winning. I've seen both first hand. When S. Miss beat Western on a game that went down to the wire....

the area was rocking

Two years later there was maybe a few hundred so I've seen both ends of it.

FIU had up and down and stupid hiring and firing mistakes to find out what a winning program can do. Plus the school is very young. Then you have S. Fla just being a totally different animal. Put the population make up that is in Miami in Hattiesburg and I bet S. Miss has a major drop in attendance.

But it has been shown that you can draw fans to a winner....UCF and USF both did. So give them time
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RE: USA Today released athletic finances for 2016-17
FIU and FAU are both fairly young, BUT they have been in the sport for at least 10 years, with both showing periodic success. It hasn't translated into program support like it did with UCF or USF. FAU has more to gain with nice facilities, minus the arena. FIU, until it finishes a half finished stadium will continue to do poorly to go along with a bad arena. I am not knocking either program, they can get better with support, but to date, I haven't seen much improvement on that end. 14 or 15K honest attendance each game would be a good start. Other programs have the same issues, but for different reasons. Rice, small university, fanbase seems to only care when they play an old SWC member.

I will say this, if the NCAA FBS (1A) rules existed today like they existed when Marshall went back to 1A in 97, there would be some CUSA programs, that would not be CUSA programs if you get my drift. Stadium size would be the first kicker.
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I admire FIU's ability to try to bandaid the problem but if attendance is mainly students then how many firesticks and tablets must you give away to maintain minimum attendance requirements? FIU and several other schools are a few bad years from moving down, it's reality and it bites.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/fiu-fo...es-8756088
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RE: USA Today released athletic finances for 2016-17
(07-06-2018 02:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 02:12 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 10:19 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 08:40 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(06-30-2018 09:43 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  Yep, fan generated revenue tells you everything you need to know about the overall health of an athletic program. You can be subsidized out the ass and still be in debt and not winning titles.

I dont think anyone wants to be critical of FIU or the others with huge student bodies, high student fee revenue, or state supplements. Nothing wrong with calling attention though to the fact that FIU, for example, is a program geared mostly toward the students because the general public has very little interest as exhibited by puny ticket sales. Students pay the fees to support the program, mostly students show up at the games, reminds one of an intramural program.

Why is it that you are not just as concern about S. Miss basketball?

This past season was the first Western game that I missed going to while playing at FIU....15 to 17 hour drive.

To tell the truth...sometimes I don't want to leave the beach or stop fishing or just site seeing to go to the games.

FIU has a attendance problem and it's something everyone on this knows about. Even FIU fans. But they never really had a run in college football. So lets give them that chance and see if it changes. But you have to be very passionate about football to push all the other things to do in that area, aside.

The ticket sales revenue includes ALL sports therefore is an insight to a schools OVERALL program which is what we are talking about. At USM the sports selling most tickets would probably be football and baseball. Other schools like ODU might be hitting it big on basketball. So, undiluted total ticket sales is the guage.

You are side stepping the question because on one hand you are talking FIU football attendance. Then on the other dont want to look at S. Miss's poor basketball attendance.

Look I know S. Miss will support a winning basketball program and they refuse to when its not winning. I've seen both first hand. When S. Miss beat Western on a game that went down to the wire....

the area was rocking

Two years later there was maybe a few hundred so I've seen both ends of it.

FIU had up and down and stupid hiring and firing mistakes to find out what a winning program can do. Plus the school is very young. Then you have S. Fla just being a totally different animal. Put the population make up that is in Miami in Hattiesburg and I bet S. Miss has a major drop in attendance.

But it has been shown that you can draw fans to a winner....UCF and USF both did. So give them time

I did not make an issue of FIU football attendance nor to any specific sports at FIU or other school. My comments have concerned TICKET SALES REVENUE which is all inclusive. Does not include student fees. Seems any simpleton could figure that if school A sells $1,000,000 in tickets and school B sells $2,000,000 then school B has approximately TWICE the number of paying fans since prices dont vary too much and thats my point.
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RE: USA Today released athletic finances for 2016-17
To summarize this thread... Schools must get student body to 35k+ to generate more $s from student fees or they will not be competitive in the future.

Southern Miss has been broke from day 1. Not concerned at all.
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RE: USA Today released athletic finances for 2016-17
(07-07-2018 09:25 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  To summarize this thread... Schools must get student body to 35k+ to generate more $s from student fees or they will not be competitive in the future.

Southern Miss has been broke from day 1. Not concerned at all.

The correct summary is charge each kid as much as you need to and take as much as you want from state coffers as long as your student body is below 15k. And urban universities will be outlawed by congress in a couple years.
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RE: USA Today released athletic finances for 2016-17
(07-07-2018 09:25 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  To summarize this thread... Schools must get student body to 35k+ to generate more $s from student fees or they will not be competitive in the future.

Southern Miss has been broke from day 1. Not concerned at all.

My summary is that we all have chosen to play a very expensive sport at the highest level we can. We all need to find ways to generate more revenue. This game is getting more expensive every year. The G5 conferences are the "coaching" farm league for the Power conferences. Moving forward, those within the G5 that fail to develop more revenue, and invest in their staffs and facilities, will become the "farm league" for others within the G5 too.

The era of power conferences expanding seems over, and they are beginning to eliminate their bowl games with the G5s. As our opportunities to compete with the P5's continues to shrink, I think we will see a financial and competitive gap grow within the G5 conferences. I don't want to see members of C-USA fall behind programs in other G5 conferences.
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RE: USA Today released athletic finances for 2016-17
(07-08-2018 02:15 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(07-07-2018 09:25 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  To summarize this thread... Schools must get student body to 35k+ to generate more $s from student fees or they will not be competitive in the future.

Southern Miss has been broke from day 1. Not concerned at all.
The G5 conferences are the "coaching" farm league for the Power conferences.

I think that even this is going away. This past offseason seemed like more P5 coordinators were getting P5 Head Coaching opportunities than G5 Head Coaches.
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RE: USA Today released athletic finances for 2016-17
(07-06-2018 03:10 PM)goldeneagle21 Wrote:  I admire FIU's ability to try to bandaid the problem but if attendance is mainly students then how many firesticks and tablets must you give away to maintain minimum attendance requirements? FIU and several other schools are a few bad years from moving down, it's reality and it bites.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/fiu-fo...es-8756088


2 year old story...please cite a school that was FORCED to reclassify down due to attendance. It's an unenforceable rule, that some young attorney would love to sue the NCAA over. If a school is willing to fund the team that is all that matters.


12 schools averaged less than 15k in 2017. No one is being reclass involuntarily to a lower level.
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