(07-06-2018 10:19 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 08:40 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(06-30-2018 09:43 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  Yep, fan generated revenue tells you everything you need to know about the overall health of an athletic program. You can be subsidized out the ass and still be in debt and not winning titles.

I dont think anyone wants to be critical of FIU or the others with huge student bodies, high student fee revenue, or state supplements. Nothing wrong with calling attention though to the fact that FIU, for example, is a program geared mostly toward the students because the general public has very little interest as exhibited by puny ticket sales. Students pay the fees to support the program, mostly students show up at the games, reminds one of an intramural program.

Why is it that you are not just as concern about S. Miss basketball?

This past season was the first Western game that I missed going to while playing at FIU....15 to 17 hour drive.

To tell the truth...sometimes I don't want to leave the beach or stop fishing or just site seeing to go to the games.

FIU has a attendance problem and it's something everyone on this knows about. Even FIU fans. But they never really had a run in college football. So lets give them that chance and see if it changes. But you have to be very passionate about football to push all the other things to do in that area, aside.

The ticket sales revenue includes ALL sports therefore is an insight to a schools OVERALL program which is what we are talking about. At USM the sports selling most tickets would probably be football and baseball. Other schools like ODU might be hitting it big on basketball. So, undiluted total ticket sales is the guage.

(07-06-2018 02:12 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 10:19 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 08:40 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(06-30-2018 09:43 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  Yep, fan generated revenue tells you everything you need to know about the overall health of an athletic program. You can be subsidized out the ass and still be in debt and not winning titles.

I dont think anyone wants to be critical of FIU or the others with huge student bodies, high student fee revenue, or state supplements. Nothing wrong with calling attention though to the fact that FIU, for example, is a program geared mostly toward the students because the general public has very little interest as exhibited by puny ticket sales. Students pay the fees to support the program, mostly students show up at the games, reminds one of an intramural program.

Why is it that you are not just as concern about S. Miss basketball?

This past season was the first Western game that I missed going to while playing at FIU....15 to 17 hour drive.

To tell the truth...sometimes I don't want to leave the beach or stop fishing or just site seeing to go to the games.

FIU has a attendance problem and it's something everyone on this knows about. Even FIU fans. But they never really had a run in college football. So lets give them that chance and see if it changes. But you have to be very passionate about football to push all the other things to do in that area, aside.

The ticket sales revenue includes ALL sports therefore is an insight to a schools OVERALL program which is what we are talking about. At USM the sports selling most tickets would probably be football and baseball. Other schools like ODU might be hitting it big on basketball. So, undiluted total ticket sales is the guage.

You are side stepping the question because on one hand you are talking FIU football attendance. Then on the other dont want to look at S. Miss's poor basketball attendance.

Look I know S. Miss will support a winning basketball program and they refuse to when its not winning. I've seen both first hand. When S. Miss beat Western on a game that went down to the wire....

the area was rocking

Two years later there was maybe a few hundred so I've seen both ends of it.

FIU had up and down and stupid hiring and firing mistakes to find out what a winning program can do. Plus the school is very young. Then you have S. Fla just being a totally different animal. Put the population make up that is in Miami in Hattiesburg and I bet S. Miss has a major drop in attendance.

But it has been shown that you can draw fans to a winner....UCF and USF both did. So give them time

FIU and FAU are both fairly young, BUT they have been in the sport for at least 10 years, with both showing periodic success. It hasn't translated into program support like it did with UCF or USF. FAU has more to gain with nice facilities, minus the arena. FIU, until it finishes a half finished stadium will continue to do poorly to go along with a bad arena. I am not knocking either program, they can get better with support, but to date, I haven't seen much improvement on that end. 14 or 15K honest attendance each game would be a good start. Other programs have the same issues, but for different reasons. Rice, small university, fanbase seems to only care when they play an old SWC member.

I will say this, if the NCAA FBS (1A) rules existed today like they existed when Marshall went back to 1A in 97, there would be some CUSA programs, that would not be CUSA programs if you get my drift. Stadium size would be the first kicker.

I admire FIU's ability to try to bandaid the problem but if attendance is mainly students then how many firesticks and tablets must you give away to maintain minimum attendance requirements? FIU and several other schools are a few bad years from moving down, it's reality and it bites.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/fiu-fo...es-8756088

(07-06-2018 02:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 02:12 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 10:19 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 08:40 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(06-30-2018 09:43 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  Yep, fan generated revenue tells you everything you need to know about the overall health of an athletic program. You can be subsidized out the ass and still be in debt and not winning titles.

I dont think anyone wants to be critical of FIU or the others with huge student bodies, high student fee revenue, or state supplements. Nothing wrong with calling attention though to the fact that FIU, for example, is a program geared mostly toward the students because the general public has very little interest as exhibited by puny ticket sales. Students pay the fees to support the program, mostly students show up at the games, reminds one of an intramural program.

Why is it that you are not just as concern about S. Miss basketball?

This past season was the first Western game that I missed going to while playing at FIU....15 to 17 hour drive.

To tell the truth...sometimes I don't want to leave the beach or stop fishing or just site seeing to go to the games.

FIU has a attendance problem and it's something everyone on this knows about. Even FIU fans. But they never really had a run in college football. So lets give them that chance and see if it changes. But you have to be very passionate about football to push all the other things to do in that area, aside.

The ticket sales revenue includes ALL sports therefore is an insight to a schools OVERALL program which is what we are talking about. At USM the sports selling most tickets would probably be football and baseball. Other schools like ODU might be hitting it big on basketball. So, undiluted total ticket sales is the guage.

You are side stepping the question because on one hand you are talking FIU football attendance. Then on the other dont want to look at S. Miss's poor basketball attendance.

Look I know S. Miss will support a winning basketball program and they refuse to when its not winning. I've seen both first hand. When S. Miss beat Western on a game that went down to the wire....

the area was rocking

Two years later there was maybe a few hundred so I've seen both ends of it.

FIU had up and down and stupid hiring and firing mistakes to find out what a winning program can do. Plus the school is very young. Then you have S. Fla just being a totally different animal. Put the population make up that is in Miami in Hattiesburg and I bet S. Miss has a major drop in attendance.

But it has been shown that you can draw fans to a winner....UCF and USF both did. So give them time

I did not make an issue of FIU football attendance nor to any specific sports at FIU or other school. My comments have concerned TICKET SALES REVENUE which is all inclusive. Does not include student fees. Seems any simpleton could figure that if school A sells $1,000,000 in tickets and school B sells $2,000,000 then school B has approximately TWICE the number of paying fans since prices dont vary too much and thats my point.

To summarize this thread... Schools must get student body to 35k+ to generate more $s from student fees or they will not be competitive in the future.

Southern Miss has been broke from day 1. Not concerned at all.

(07-07-2018 09:25 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  To summarize this thread... Schools must get student body to 35k+ to generate more $s from student fees or they will not be competitive in the future.

Southern Miss has been broke from day 1. Not concerned at all.

The correct summary is charge each kid as much as you need to and take as much as you want from state coffers as long as your student body is below 15k. And urban universities will be outlawed by congress in a couple years.

(07-07-2018 09:25 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  To summarize this thread... Schools must get student body to 35k+ to generate more $s from student fees or they will not be competitive in the future.

Southern Miss has been broke from day 1. Not concerned at all.

My summary is that we all have chosen to play a very expensive sport at the highest level we can. We all need to find ways to generate more revenue. This game is getting more expensive every year. The G5 conferences are the "coaching" farm league for the Power conferences. Moving forward, those within the G5 that fail to develop more revenue, and invest in their staffs and facilities, will become the "farm league" for others within the G5 too.

The era of power conferences expanding seems over, and they are beginning to eliminate their bowl games with the G5s. As our opportunities to compete with the P5's continues to shrink, I think we will see a financial and competitive gap grow within the G5 conferences. I don't want to see members of C-USA fall behind programs in other G5 conferences.

(07-08-2018 02:15 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-07-2018 09:25 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  To summarize this thread... Schools must get student body to 35k+ to generate more $s from student fees or they will not be competitive in the future.

Southern Miss has been broke from day 1. Not concerned at all.

The G5 conferences are the "coaching" farm league for the Power conferences.

I think that even this is going away. This past offseason seemed like more P5 coordinators were getting P5 Head Coaching opportunities than G5 Head Coaches.

(07-06-2018 03:10 PM)goldeneagle21 Wrote:  I admire FIU's ability to try to bandaid the problem but if attendance is mainly students then how many firesticks and tablets must you give away to maintain minimum attendance requirements? FIU and several other schools are a few bad years from moving down, it's reality and it bites.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/fiu-fo...es-8756088

2 year old story...please cite a school that was FORCED to reclassify down due to attendance. It's an unenforceable rule, that some young attorney would love to sue the NCAA over. If a school is willing to fund the team that is all that matters.


12 schools averaged less than 15k in 2017. No one is being reclass involuntarily to a lower level.

FYI ODAF Produces Record Breaking Fundraising Year

The Old Dominion Athletic Foundation (ODAF) announced that 2017 was a record breaking fundraising year for ODU Athletics. Over $12 Million in new gifts and pledges was raised in support of ODU Athletics during the 2017 calendar year.

2017 Donations over $12 million
2017
Ticket Sales ... Donations ... Rights / Licensing ... Student Fees …... Total Revenues
$3,526,444 ……. 12,000,000 …... $6,139,937 ……….. $28,681,512 …….. $46,203,813

2016
Ticket Sales ... Donations ... Rights / Licensing ... Student Fees …... Total Revenues
$4,237,654 ... $5,851,095 …….... $5,155,793 …... $28,745,710 ……….. $44,681,935

ODU's Athletic Donations for 2017 more than doubled

CUSA Schools Contributions
67). ODU $12,000,000 +
125). La Tech $5,992,599
124). UAB $5,552,809
76). Charlotte $5,045,106
95). UTEP $4,060,347
126). Southern Miss $3,936,169
104). Marshall $3,652,264
89). FIU $3,093,771
84). FAU $2,806,153
100). WKU $2,519,114
87). MTSU $2,083,814
107). UTSA $1,765,092
94). North Texas $1,020,052

Others Schools with budgets over 40 million
38). Pac-12 Colorado $15,973,080
44). ACC VA Tech $15,766,272
37). Big 10 Maryland $12,281,532
67). CUSA ODU 12,000.000+
61). AAC ECU $11,008,954
57). AAC UCF $10,303,140
68). MWC Boise State $10,328,892
56). AAC Houston $9,923,994
60). AAC Memphis $9,279,348
48). Pac-12 Utah $9,031,413
58). MWC San Diego State $8,826,053
60), MWC Air Force $8,705,370
34). Big 10 Rutgers $8,125,201
49). AAC UCONN $5,666,522
108). CAA W&M $5,257,810
86). A-10 VCU $5,139,586
54). AAC Cincinnati $4,019,074
62). CAA JMU $2,405,641
63). A-10 UMASS $2,281,046
71). CAA Delaware $1,346,316

Link... http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=211692851

(08-02-2018 09:27 AM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  FYI ODAF Produces Record Breaking Fundraising Year

The Old Dominion Athletic Foundation (ODAF) announced that 2017 was a record breaking fundraising year for ODU Athletics. Over $12 Million in new gifts and pledges was raised in support of ODU Athletics during the 2017 calendar year.

2017 Donations over $12 million
2017
Ticket Sales ... Donations ... Rights / Licensing ... Student Fees …... Total Revenues
$6,139,937 ……. 12,000,000 …... $6,139,937 ……….. $28,681,512 …….. $46,203,813

2016
Ticket Sales ... Donations ... Rights / Licensing ... Student Fees …... Total Revenues
$4,237,654 ... $5,851,095 …….... $5,155,793 …... $28,745,710 ……….. $44,681,935

ODU's Athletic Donations for 2017 more than doubled

CUSA Schools Contributions
67). ODU $12,000,000 +
125). La Tech $5,992,599
124). UAB $5,552,809
76). Charlotte $5,045,106
95). UTEP $4,060,347
126). Southern Miss $3,936,169
104). Marshall $3,652,264
89). FIU $3,093,771
84). FAU $2,806,153
100). WKU $2,519,114
87). MTSU $2,083,814
107). UTSA $1,765,092
94). North Texas $1,020,052

Others Schools with budgets over 40 million
38). Pac-12 Colorado $15,973,080
44). ACC VA Tech $15,766,272
37). Big 10 Maryland $12,281,532
67). CUSA ODU 12,000.000+
61). AAC ECU $11,008,954
57). AAC UCF $10,303,140
68). MWC Boise State $10,328,892
56). AAC Houston $9,923,994
60). AAC Memphis $9,279,348
48). Pac-12 Utah $9,031,413
60), Air Force $8,705,370
58). San Diego State $8,826,053
34). Big 10 Rutgers $8,125,201
49). AAC UCONN $5,666,522
86). A-10 VCU $5,139,586
54). AAC Cincinnati $4,019,074
62). CAA JMU $2,405,641
63). A-10 UMASS $2,281,046
71). CAA Delaware $1,346,316

Link... http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=211692851

A couple things here OT -

You've duplicated the amount from licensing for 2017 in the ticket sales. Ticket revenue actually went down in 2017 for whatever reason. Just a slip of the keys.

The accounting for contributions isn't as straight forward as all that. 1st, ODAF along with the Athletic Department go on a 7/1-6/30 fiscal year. This announcement is based on the calendar year and most of the fundraising was done in the second half of the year due to the $40 million dollar fundraising campaign being announced then and I imagine plenty of people getting their 2018 contributions in 2017 due to the change in the tax year. I expect we'll see a boost next year but not to the tune of 12 million. The reasons being that 1) pledges don't count in NCAA reporting 2) amounts received to be used in later years aren't counted 3) donations used towards capital projects aren't counted (don't tell Ark St). Due to these most of the money received towards the $40 million fundraising campaign probably won't show up because it will be largely earmarked for stadium construction and starting women's volleyball (which will likely happen in a later year). I checked on the ODAF page and we've raised 17.5 million towards the 40 million goal. This was since it was announced in August as of July 31. So most of that occured in this past fiscal year but don't expect to see anywhere near that number on next years financials. This should be occurring at all schools (not Ark St though) so everyone's actual contributions should be higher than reported.

(08-02-2018 09:45 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:27 AM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  FYI ODAF Produces Record Breaking Fundraising Year

The Old Dominion Athletic Foundation (ODAF) announced that 2017 was a record breaking fundraising year for ODU Athletics. Over $12 Million in new gifts and pledges was raised in support of ODU Athletics during the 2017 calendar year.

2017 Donations over $12 million
2017
Ticket Sales ... Donations ... Rights / Licensing ... Student Fees …... Total Revenues
$6,139,937 ……. 12,000,000 …... $6,139,937 ……….. $28,681,512 …….. $46,203,813



Link... http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=211692851

A couple things here OT -

You've duplicated the amount from licensing for 2017 in the ticket sales. Ticket revenue actually went down in 2017 for whatever reason. Just a slip of the keys.

Thanks
Corrected ticket sales...
I understand what you are saying, but with the new stadium and Fundraising campaign I think we will see numbers at or around the same level for 2018. Just my opinion! We will see.

(08-02-2018 09:45 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:27 AM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  FYI ODAF Produces Record Breaking Fundraising Year

The Old Dominion Athletic Foundation (ODAF) announced that 2017 was a record breaking fundraising year for ODU Athletics. Over $12 Million in new gifts and pledges was raised in support of ODU Athletics during the 2017 calendar year.

2017 Donations over $12 million
2017
Ticket Sales ... Donations ... Rights / Licensing ... Student Fees …... Total Revenues
$6,139,937 ……. 12,000,000 …... $6,139,937 ……….. $28,681,512 …….. $46,203,813

2016
Ticket Sales ... Donations ... Rights / Licensing ... Student Fees …... Total Revenues
$4,237,654 ... $5,851,095 …….... $5,155,793 …... $28,745,710 ……….. $44,681,935

ODU's Athletic Donations for 2017 more than doubled

CUSA Schools Contributions
67). ODU $12,000,000 +
125). La Tech $5,992,599
124). UAB $5,552,809
76). Charlotte $5,045,106
95). UTEP $4,060,347
126). Southern Miss $3,936,169
104). Marshall $3,652,264
89). FIU $3,093,771
84). FAU $2,806,153
100). WKU $2,519,114
87). MTSU $2,083,814
107). UTSA $1,765,092
94). North Texas $1,020,052

Others Schools with budgets over 40 million
38). Pac-12 Colorado $15,973,080
44). ACC VA Tech $15,766,272
37). Big 10 Maryland $12,281,532
67). CUSA ODU 12,000.000+
61). AAC ECU $11,008,954
57). AAC UCF $10,303,140
68). MWC Boise State $10,328,892
56). AAC Houston $9,923,994
60). AAC Memphis $9,279,348
48). Pac-12 Utah $9,031,413
60), Air Force $8,705,370
58). San Diego State $8,826,053
34). Big 10 Rutgers $8,125,201
49). AAC UCONN $5,666,522
86). A-10 VCU $5,139,586
54). AAC Cincinnati $4,019,074
62). CAA JMU $2,405,641
63). A-10 UMASS $2,281,046
71). CAA Delaware $1,346,316

Link... http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=211692851

A couple things here OT -

You've duplicated the amount from licensing for 2017 in the ticket sales. Ticket revenue actually went down in 2017 for whatever reason. Just a slip of the keys.

The accounting for contributions isn't as straight forward as all that. 1st, ODAF along with the Athletic Department go on a 7/1-6/30 fiscal year. This announcement is based on the calendar year and most of the fundraising was done in the second half of the year due to the $40 million dollar fundraising campaign being announced then and I imagine plenty of people getting their 2018 contributions in 2017 due to the change in the tax year. I expect we'll see a boost next year but not to the tune of 12 million. The reasons being that 1) pledges don't count in NCAA reporting 2) amounts received to be used in later years aren't counted 3) donations used towards capital projects aren't counted (don't tell Ark St). Due to these most of the money received towards the $40 million fundraising campaign probably won't show up because it will be largely earmarked for stadium construction and starting women's volleyball (which will likely happen in a later year). I checked on the ODAF page and we've raised 17.5 million towards the 40 million goal. This was since it was announced in August as of July 31. So most of that occured in this past fiscal year but don't expect to see anywhere near that number on next years financials. This should be occurring at all schools (not Ark St though) so everyone's actual contributions should be higher than reported.

Yeah for whatever reason Ark St is fudging the numbers in a crazy way not that it matters to us but geez their reporting is definitely not inline with most of the schools.

(08-02-2018 10:01 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:45 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:27 AM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  FYI ODAF Produces Record Breaking Fundraising Year

The Old Dominion Athletic Foundation (ODAF) announced that 2017 was a record breaking fundraising year for ODU Athletics. Over $12 Million in new gifts and pledges was raised in support of ODU Athletics during the 2017 calendar year.

2017 Donations over $12 million
2017
Ticket Sales ... Donations ... Rights / Licensing ... Student Fees …... Total Revenues
$6,139,937 ……. 12,000,000 …... $6,139,937 ……….. $28,681,512 …….. $46,203,813

2016
Ticket Sales ... Donations ... Rights / Licensing ... Student Fees …... Total Revenues
$4,237,654 ... $5,851,095 …….... $5,155,793 …... $28,745,710 ……….. $44,681,935

ODU's Athletic Donations for 2017 more than doubled

CUSA Schools Contributions
67). ODU $12,000,000 +
125). La Tech $5,992,599
124). UAB $5,552,809
76). Charlotte $5,045,106
95). UTEP $4,060,347
126). Southern Miss $3,936,169
104). Marshall $3,652,264
89). FIU $3,093,771
84). FAU $2,806,153
100). WKU $2,519,114
87). MTSU $2,083,814
107). UTSA $1,765,092
94). North Texas $1,020,052

Others Schools with budgets over 40 million
38). Pac-12 Colorado $15,973,080
44). ACC VA Tech $15,766,272
37). Big 10 Maryland $12,281,532
67). CUSA ODU 12,000.000+
61). AAC ECU $11,008,954
57). AAC UCF $10,303,140
68). MWC Boise State $10,328,892
56). AAC Houston $9,923,994
60). AAC Memphis $9,279,348
48). Pac-12 Utah $9,031,413
60), Air Force $8,705,370
58). San Diego State $8,826,053
34). Big 10 Rutgers $8,125,201
49). AAC UCONN $5,666,522
86). A-10 VCU $5,139,586
54). AAC Cincinnati $4,019,074
62). CAA JMU $2,405,641
63). A-10 UMASS $2,281,046
71). CAA Delaware $1,346,316

Link... http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=211692851

A couple things here OT -

You've duplicated the amount from licensing for 2017 in the ticket sales. Ticket revenue actually went down in 2017 for whatever reason. Just a slip of the keys.

The accounting for contributions isn't as straight forward as all that. 1st, ODAF along with the Athletic Department go on a 7/1-6/30 fiscal year. This announcement is based on the calendar year and most of the fundraising was done in the second half of the year due to the $40 million dollar fundraising campaign being announced then and I imagine plenty of people getting their 2018 contributions in 2017 due to the change in the tax year. I expect we'll see a boost next year but not to the tune of 12 million. The reasons being that 1) pledges don't count in NCAA reporting 2) amounts received to be used in later years aren't counted 3) donations used towards capital projects aren't counted (don't tell Ark St). Due to these most of the money received towards the $40 million fundraising campaign probably won't show up because it will be largely earmarked for stadium construction and starting women's volleyball (which will likely happen in a later year). I checked on the ODAF page and we've raised 17.5 million towards the 40 million goal. This was since it was announced in August as of July 31. So most of that occured in this past fiscal year but don't expect to see anywhere near that number on next years financials. This should be occurring at all schools (not Ark St though) so everyone's actual contributions should be higher than reported.

Yeah for whatever reason Ark St is fudging the numbers in a crazy way not that it matters to us but geez their reporting is definitely not inline with most of the schools.

in 7 years Arkansas State has had Huge increases in total budget and Donations...….. LOL

Year ..Ticket Sales … Contributions … Rights / Licensing … student Fees …. School Funds …. Other ….. Total Revenues
2010 …….... $889,970 ……... $586,760 …….. $1,091,183 ….. $2,832,773 ….... $1,124,720 …….. $2,953,497 ….... $9,478,903

2017 ….… $1,507,387 …... $9,594,061 ….…… $7,792,114 … $4,870,561 …… $7,753,732 ……. $7,941,172 ……... $39,459,027

(08-02-2018 09:27 AM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  FYI ODAF Produces Record Breaking Fundraising Year

The Old Dominion Athletic Foundation (ODAF) announced that 2017 was a record breaking fundraising year for ODU Athletics. Over $12 Million in new gifts and pledges was raised in support of ODU Athletics during the 2017 calendar year.

2017 Donations over $12 million
2017
Ticket Sales ... Donations ... Rights / Licensing ... Student Fees …... Total Revenues
$3,526,444 ……. 12,000,000 …... $6,139,937 ……….. $28,681,512 …….. $46,203,813

2016
Ticket Sales ... Donations ... Rights / Licensing ... Student Fees …... Total Revenues
$4,237,654 ... $5,851,095 …….... $5,155,793 …... $28,745,710 ……….. $44,681,935

ODU's Athletic Donations for 2017 more than doubled

CUSA Schools Contributions
67). ODU $12,000,000 +
125). La Tech $5,992,599
124). UAB $5,552,809
76). Charlotte $5,045,106
95). UTEP $4,060,347
126). Southern Miss $3,936,169
104). Marshall $3,652,264
89). FIU $3,093,771
84). FAU $2,806,153
100). WKU $2,519,114
87). MTSU $2,083,814
107). UTSA $1,765,092
94). North Texas $1,020,052

Others Schools with budgets over 40 million
38). Pac-12 Colorado $15,973,080
44). ACC VA Tech $15,766,272
37). Big 10 Maryland $12,281,532
67). CUSA ODU 12,000.000+
61). AAC ECU $11,008,954
57). AAC UCF $10,303,140
68). MWC Boise State $10,328,892
56). AAC Houston $9,923,994
60). AAC Memphis $9,279,348
48). Pac-12 Utah $9,031,413
58). MWC San Diego State $8,826,053
60), MWC Air Force $8,705,370
34). Big 10 Rutgers $8,125,201
49). AAC UCONN $5,666,522
108). CAA W&M $5,257,810
86). A-10 VCU $5,139,586
54). AAC Cincinnati $4,019,074
62). CAA JMU $2,405,641
63). A-10 UMASS $2,281,046
71). CAA Delaware $1,346,316

Link... http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=211692851

I admire ODU contributions, but you are mixing apples and oranges. The released 2017 numbers you are using for NT came from a source that lists ODU contributions as 5.698m. NT had over 8m in donations for their last reported period. So sourcing of data is obvious important.

Now some of that difference may be due to school year vs calendar year., but in any case it is misleading. Statistics when available for comparison should use the same data base or at least be noted that numbers are not single sourced.

University released stats are nearly always debatable because they are not uniform, and can easily be manipulated.

(08-02-2018 10:01 AM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:45 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:27 AM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  FYI ODAF Produces Record Breaking Fundraising Year

The Old Dominion Athletic Foundation (ODAF) announced that 2017 was a record breaking fundraising year for ODU Athletics. Over $12 Million in new gifts and pledges was raised in support of ODU Athletics during the 2017 calendar year.

2017 Donations over $12 million
2017
Ticket Sales ... Donations ... Rights / Licensing ... Student Fees …... Total Revenues
$6,139,937 ……. 12,000,000 …... $6,139,937 ……….. $28,681,512 …….. $46,203,813



Link... http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=211692851

A couple things here OT -

You've duplicated the amount from licensing for 2017 in the ticket sales. Ticket revenue actually went down in 2017 for whatever reason. Just a slip of the keys.

Thanks
Corrected ticket sales...
I understand what you are saying, but with the new stadium and Fundraising campaign I think we will see numbers at or around the same level for 2018. Just my opinion! We will see.

We've seen steady growth every year and I have no doubt it will continue to grow. In fact I think we will see a healthy boost next year but I was just giving some perspective on why when ODAF says we collect 12 million we only report 6.

They've done well with the campaign imo. Nearly half of the $40 million goal reached in under a year.

(07-06-2018 09:09 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 08:40 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(06-30-2018 09:43 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  Yep, fan generated revenue tells you everything you need to know about the overall health of an athletic program. You can be subsidized out the ass and still be in debt and not winning titles.

I dont think anyone wants to be critical of FIU or the others with huge student bodies, high student fee revenue, or state supplements. Nothing wrong with calling attention though to the fact that FIU, for example, is a program geared mostly toward the students because the general public has very little interest as exhibited by puny ticket sales. Students pay the fees to support the program, mostly students show up at the games, reminds one of an intramural program.

Intramural? Is that term suppose to trigger us?

The follow up will be what? Once upon a time we beat 'bama?

The fear of the urban schools is real.

We beat Bama 6 times newbie...all of the G5 quakes and nods their cap at that fact.

(08-02-2018 12:12 PM)goldeneagle21 Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 09:09 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 08:40 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(06-30-2018 09:43 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  Yep, fan generated revenue tells you everything you need to know about the overall health of an athletic program. You can be subsidized out the ass and still be in debt and not winning titles.

I dont think anyone wants to be critical of FIU or the others with huge student bodies, high student fee revenue, or state supplements. Nothing wrong with calling attention though to the fact that FIU, for example, is a program geared mostly toward the students because the general public has very little interest as exhibited by puny ticket sales. Students pay the fees to support the program, mostly students show up at the games, reminds one of an intramural program.

Intramural? Is that term suppose to trigger us?

The follow up will be what? Once upon a time we beat 'bama?

The fear of the urban schools is real.

We beat Bama 6 times newbie...all of the G5 quakes and nods their cap at that fact.

If you want a honest answer.......

no one really cares if S. Miss beat Bama 50 years ago or 10 years ago or when Bama was 3-9 or even if S, Miss counts a 40-0 loss as a win because Bama had to vacate the game.

If your football program is not winning today....no one cares. Well other than fans of that program living on their past.

Those fans should care and be proud of that history. But to the rest of us...its only past history that doesn't really matter

(08-02-2018 10:59 AM)Grandgreen Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:27 AM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  FYI ODAF Produces Record Breaking Fundraising Year

The Old Dominion Athletic Foundation (ODAF) announced that 2017 was a record breaking fundraising year for ODU Athletics. Over $12 Million in new gifts and pledges was raised in support of ODU Athletics during the 2017 calendar year.

2017 Donations over $12 million
2017
Ticket Sales ... Donations ... Rights / Licensing ... Student Fees …... Total Revenues
$3,526,444 ……. 12,000,000 …... $6,139,937 ……….. $28,681,512 …….. $46,203,813

2016
Ticket Sales ... Donations ... Rights / Licensing ... Student Fees …... Total Revenues
$4,237,654 ... $5,851,095 …….... $5,155,793 …... $28,745,710 ……….. $44,681,935

94). North Texas $1,020,052

I admire ODU contributions, but you are mixing apples and oranges. The released 2017 numbers you are using for NT came from a source that lists ODU contributions as 5.698m. NT had over 8m in donations for their last reported period. So sourcing of data is obvious important.

I Was only referencing the USA Today finances for North Texas.

94). North Texas Contributions $1,020,052

Some additional Information in regards to ODU's record setting Donations for the Athletic Department and how this is all encompassed into a 2016 Campaign for funding the University.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/ODU's Donations are ODAF contributions. Only updated from the 2017

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...22cec.html


June 30, 2016 -July 31, 2017
* Scholarship Endowments Athletics .... $1,172,384

* Premium Seating Contributions Athletic Donations ….. $1,944,394

* Athletic Capital Improvements Athletics Only … $854,843

* Operations Annual Fund Athletic Only... $5,024,054

* Unrestricted Donations Athletics Only ….. $3,232,750

* TOTAL DONATIONS RAISED Ending July 31, 2017 …. $12,228,425

The first Fundraising Initiative Steering Committee meeting was held on November 28. Due to the initiative’s success in raising $78 million since it began in * July 2016, the goal was increased from $200 to $250 million. Bruce Bradley and Dick Barry are leading this effort and Donna Scassera is a member of the committee, which includes community leaders and ODU graduates.

During ODU President, John Broderick's 10 year tenure at Old Dominion the University has received more than $800 million in new public and private resources. *The University is pursuing a $250 million fundraising initiative to increase resources for scholarships, faculty research and academic centers, among other areas. Included in the $250 million initiative is the "August 2017 Initiative for Athletics" where Broderick upped the drive to aid the Athletic Department…. I'm certain the new fundraising drive has played a part in the record setting Donations for the Athletic Department (ODAF). The University has currently raised as of July 31 - $17,500,000 for the 40 million Fundraising Initiative "Athletics" . However this is a broader University wide fundraiser and those donations can be earmarked as the donor would dictate.

"In August of 2017 ODU President, John Broderick, announced a fundraising initiative for Old Dominion University. As a part of the universities total $250 million initiative for the entire University is the new directive to aid in raise money for (ODAF) Old Dominion Athletic Foundation. The task is to raise $40,000,000 in support of ODU Athletics and our student-athletes. As we look to move our program forward it is our mission for ODU Athletics to be recognized nationally for excellence in intercollegiate athletics. We are confident that this athletics initiative will give ODU Athletics the resources to rise to national prominence".

ODAF … http://www.olddominionaf.com/media/1321/...meplan.pdf

ODAF Fundraising... http://www.olddominionaf.com/

Referenced from … https://www.odu.edu/about/president#ad-image-0