Quote:President Trump has falsely claimed at least two dozen times since taking office that Democrats want to open American borders. But legislation shows that Democrats support border security measures, though not the border wall he wants to build.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/27/us/po...&smtyp=cur

Some Democrats are for open borders. Some are not.

Same fact checker that claimed the ICE agent was a Nazi due to his tattoo.

Poor illegal immigrant children.....forgotten in 1 week.

(06-27-2018 02:37 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Some Democrats are for open borders. Some are not.

In other words, NYT confirmed as a fake fact checking site.


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Being for or against open borders in the context Trump is talking about depends on whether or not you question him on it. Point blank. So if that's what being for open borders means today then democrats DO tend to be pro open borders.

BUT that's not what being for or against open borders hinges on. There's more nuance to the issue than what Trump thinks.

Trump would call the funding of 100,000 new border agents but no wall as being pro-crime.

The democrats have a record of this too, if you think I'm being unfair to Trump.

Joke of the day!

(06-27-2018 04:42 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Being for or against open borders in the context Trump is talking about depends on whether or not you question him on it. Point blank. So if that's what being for open borders means today then democrats DO tend to be pro open borders.

BUT that's not what being for or against open borders hinges on. There's more nuance to the issue than what Trump thinks.

Trump would call the funding of 100,000 new border agents but no wall as being pro-crime.

The democrats have a record of this too, if you think I'm being unfair to Trump.

That is not the picture democrats paint and its not the picture the media paints...


it's not the message most Americans are seeing. So I guess if what you say is true the democrats need to change the way they deliver their message.

Most of America sees it as they want anyone that can cross the border to stay. Hell I would guess the black vote is closer to wanting what Trump wants than the picture the Democrats paint. But you never see that point on the MSM

(06-27-2018 05:10 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 04:42 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Being for or against open borders in the context Trump is talking about depends on whether or not you question him on it. Point blank. So if that's what being for open borders means today then democrats DO tend to be pro open borders.

BUT that's not what being for or against open borders hinges on. There's more nuance to the issue than what Trump thinks.

Trump would call the funding of 100,000 new border agents but no wall as being pro-crime.

The democrats have a record of this too, if you think I'm being unfair to Trump.

That is not the picture democrats paint and its not the picture the media paints...


it's not the message most Americans are seeing. So I guess if what you say is true the democrats need to change the way they deliver their message.

Most of America sees it as they want anyone that can cross the border to stay. Hell I would guess the black vote is closer to wanting what Trump wants than the picture the Democrats paint. But you never see that point on the MSM

You're right, they do need to change their message.

But when you're saying "most Americans" I think you're extrapolating the belief of the Trump voter to people who aren't.

I think a more accurate statement would be to say that most pro-Trump Americans see it that way. The other parts of America will have a more nuanced view.

(06-27-2018 05:29 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 05:10 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 04:42 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Being for or against open borders in the context Trump is talking about depends on whether or not you question him on it. Point blank. So if that's what being for open borders means today then democrats DO tend to be pro open borders.

BUT that's not what being for or against open borders hinges on. There's more nuance to the issue than what Trump thinks.

Trump would call the funding of 100,000 new border agents but no wall as being pro-crime.

The democrats have a record of this too, if you think I'm being unfair to Trump.

That is not the picture democrats paint and its not the picture the media paints...


it's not the message most Americans are seeing. So I guess if what you say is true the democrats need to change the way they deliver their message.

Most of America sees it as they want anyone that can cross the border to stay. Hell I would guess the black vote is closer to wanting what Trump wants than the picture the Democrats paint. But you never see that point on the MSM

You're right, they do need to change their message.

But when you're saying "most Americans" I think you're extrapolating the belief of the Trump voter to people who aren't.

I think a more accurate statement would be to say that most pro-Trump Americans see it that way. The other parts of America will have a more nuanced view.

No actually I believe most Americans see it that way not just those democrats that voted for the President. I honestly believe if you took a poll of black voters (key word there is voters) most would be a lot closer on the view the President puts out than the Democrats.

Of course you would have to word the poll in a way that doesn't look like they are agreeing with the President. I think that holds true for those Democrats (white or brown) that are not part of the crazy left that we see day in day out in on TV and Yahoo.

If the poll was only on how they view the Democrats stance on immigration and nothing to do with the President....I dont think it would be close. What we are seeing day in day out on the MSM are those loud mouths far left people that thought Hilary had it locked up.


I believe the same holds true for this issue

(06-27-2018 08:04 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 05:29 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 05:10 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 04:42 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Being for or against open borders in the context Trump is talking about depends on whether or not you question him on it. Point blank. So if that's what being for open borders means today then democrats DO tend to be pro open borders.

BUT that's not what being for or against open borders hinges on. There's more nuance to the issue than what Trump thinks.

Trump would call the funding of 100,000 new border agents but no wall as being pro-crime.

The democrats have a record of this too, if you think I'm being unfair to Trump.

That is not the picture democrats paint and its not the picture the media paints...


it's not the message most Americans are seeing. So I guess if what you say is true the democrats need to change the way they deliver their message.

Most of America sees it as they want anyone that can cross the border to stay. Hell I would guess the black vote is closer to wanting what Trump wants than the picture the Democrats paint. But you never see that point on the MSM

You're right, they do need to change their message.

But when you're saying "most Americans" I think you're extrapolating the belief of the Trump voter to people who aren't.

I think a more accurate statement would be to say that most pro-Trump Americans see it that way. The other parts of America will have a more nuanced view.

No actually I believe most Americans see it that way not just those democrats that voted for the President. I honestly believe if you took a poll of black voters (key word there is voters) most would be a lot closer on the view the President puts out than the Democrats.

Of course you would have to word the poll in a way that doesn't look like they are agreeing with the President. I think that holds true for those Democrats (white or brown) that are not part of the crazy left that we see day in day out in on TV and Yahoo.

If the poll was only on how they view the Democrats stance on immigration and nothing to do with the President....I dont think it would be close. What we are seeing day in day out on the MSM are those loud mouths far left people that thought Hilary had it locked up.


I believe the same holds true for this issue

That type of experiment works on both sides, the moral of the story is that people tend to view the other more harshly than they really should.

But those people you mention, they're democrats. If they are likely to agree with what Trump says, that means that democrats aren't necessarily for open borders.

(06-27-2018 08:16 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 08:04 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 05:29 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 05:10 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 04:42 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Being for or against open borders in the context Trump is talking about depends on whether or not you question him on it. Point blank. So if that's what being for open borders means today then democrats DO tend to be pro open borders.

BUT that's not what being for or against open borders hinges on. There's more nuance to the issue than what Trump thinks.

Trump would call the funding of 100,000 new border agents but no wall as being pro-crime.

The democrats have a record of this too, if you think I'm being unfair to Trump.

That is not the picture democrats paint and its not the picture the media paints...


it's not the message most Americans are seeing. So I guess if what you say is true the democrats need to change the way they deliver their message.

Most of America sees it as they want anyone that can cross the border to stay. Hell I would guess the black vote is closer to wanting what Trump wants than the picture the Democrats paint. But you never see that point on the MSM

You're right, they do need to change their message.

But when you're saying "most Americans" I think you're extrapolating the belief of the Trump voter to people who aren't.

I think a more accurate statement would be to say that most pro-Trump Americans see it that way. The other parts of America will have a more nuanced view.

No actually I believe most Americans see it that way not just those democrats that voted for the President. I honestly believe if you took a poll of black voters (key word there is voters) most would be a lot closer on the view the President puts out than the Democrats.

Of course you would have to word the poll in a way that doesn't look like they are agreeing with the President. I think that holds true for those Democrats (white or brown) that are not part of the crazy left that we see day in day out in on TV and Yahoo.

If the poll was only on how they view the Democrats stance on immigration and nothing to do with the President....I dont think it would be close. What we are seeing day in day out on the MSM are those loud mouths far left people that thought Hilary had it locked up.


I believe the same holds true for this issue

That type of experiment works on both sides, the moral of the story is that people tend to view the other more harshly than they really should.

But those people you mention, they're democrats. If they are likely to agree with what Trump says, that means that democrats aren't necessarily for open borders.

The view most Americans see from the Democrat leadership is open borders....

let them in and we will help those poor souls that are just leaving Mexico because they want to wok.

I believe that is what the Democrats are projecting and I also believe most Democrats don't agree with the leadership of their party on this issue. It's not even close.

Most Americans, Black, White, Brown, that work and here legally view the Democrat Leadership of trying to take jobs, money, need base help, away from them and give it to people that are not Americans. Those same people see other in this country...Americans, the resources and jobs should be going to.

They dont believe..."well Americans really dont want those type jobs"

Let the Democrats keep pushing this and the change they want to see....will be their worse nightmare. The only thing keeping it from happening now....

how the MSM portraits the President