(06-24-2018 01:06 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 10:14 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 06:44 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 04:12 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 03:05 PM)Shooters Wrote:  It’s dumb as hell. Comparing a part time RB (who I said early in his freshman season was a future NFler) to one who is 5th in the NCAA FBS total career rushing yards and only year under 6 yds a carry, he was at 5.9. Then he goes on to have a very good NFL career.

DeAngelo's sophomore season he rushed for 5.9 yards per carry. Henderson averaged 8.9 yards per carry. What is dumb as hell is saying that it is dumb and then throwing out career stats and making the NFL statement...none of which have anything to do with the FACT that you can make a rational comparison between DeAngelo and Henderson after their sophomore seasons.

DeAngelo was shiftier and better at finding a hole. Henderson is better at hitting the hole quickly and is a bigger homerun threat.

So again, at the college level at the same time in their respective careers, in an apples to apples comparison, you can easily make the case that Henderson is just as good as DeAngelo.

Henderson rushed for 3 yards more per carry. DeAngelo rushed for 25 yards more per game with almost double the number of carries. Like I said, dumb of you to say the comparison is dumb.

Do you have any clue as to what percent of college RBs with STATS BETTER THAN HENDERSON after two season and PLAYING BETTER COMPETITION (SEC) even make the NFL? So you can’t just take admittedly limited numbers for Henderson and extrapolate his remaining career. Use a little common sense. I’ve been watching this sport for 50 years. Numbers don’t mean as much as you think and anything can happen. I could give you a lot of examples at Memphis.

The comparison is stupid because Henderson needs a hole in order to be successful. Put Henderson on a bad team and he will struggle...Put Deangelo on a bad team and he would still shine.

Henderson is executing plays...Deangelo MADE plays.

Quote:The comparison is stupid because Henderson needs a hole in order to be successful.

Your post is pure stupidity because Henderson made plays even when there wasn't a hole. We have weirdo supposed "fans" that are arguing that a running back who averaged 8.9 yards per carry AND 5.6 yards per carry after contact doesn't make plays. How is that even possible?

clearly not watching the same games the rest of us are

The only real year DeAngello had to "carry" the Memphis team was 2005.
That was the year when we had 3 QBs get injured...and had to convert Maurice Avery (who had once played QB...but had moved to WR) from WR to QB.
The years before that...Memphis employed a WR by committee approach...so you didn't see WRs with really gaudy receiving yards...similar approach that Justin Fuente use at Memphis....dunno if he does it at Virginia Tech or not...because I don't keep track of them.

(06-24-2018 06:43 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 01:06 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 10:14 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 06:44 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 04:12 PM)Stammers Wrote:  DeAngelo's sophomore season he rushed for 5.9 yards per carry. Henderson averaged 8.9 yards per carry. What is dumb as hell is saying that it is dumb and then throwing out career stats and making the NFL statement...none of which have anything to do with the FACT that you can make a rational comparison between DeAngelo and Henderson after their sophomore seasons.

DeAngelo was shiftier and better at finding a hole. Henderson is better at hitting the hole quickly and is a bigger homerun threat.

So again, at the college level at the same time in their respective careers, in an apples to apples comparison, you can easily make the case that Henderson is just as good as DeAngelo.

Henderson rushed for 3 yards more per carry. DeAngelo rushed for 25 yards more per game with almost double the number of carries. Like I said, dumb of you to say the comparison is dumb.

Do you have any clue as to what percent of college RBs with STATS BETTER THAN HENDERSON after two season and PLAYING BETTER COMPETITION (SEC) even make the NFL? So you can’t just take admittedly limited numbers for Henderson and extrapolate his remaining career. Use a little common sense. I’ve been watching this sport for 50 years. Numbers don’t mean as much as you think and anything can happen. I could give you a lot of examples at Memphis.

The comparison is stupid because Henderson needs a hole in order to be successful. Put Henderson on a bad team and he will struggle...Put Deangelo on a bad team and he would still shine.

Henderson is executing plays...Deangelo MADE plays.

Quote:The comparison is stupid because Henderson needs a hole in order to be successful.

Your post is pure stupidity because Henderson made plays even when there wasn't a hole. We have weirdo supposed "fans" that are arguing that a running back who averaged 8.9 yards per carry AND 5.6 yards per carry after contact doesn't make plays. How is that even possible?

clearly not watching the same games the rest of us are

Not saying that Henderson is a bad player but he is nowhere near Williams level. Henderson doesn't see a hole he tries to get the edge. So many of Henderson's long runs are just weaving through traffic... He isn't beating guys, he is outrunning them

And the yards after contact stat is amazing, but it really doesn't tell the true story.

Well, at least we got the thread focused back on Henderson, which was the intent of the OP.

And I stand by my post, that in my opinion, Darrell Henderson is the next DeAngelo. That has been my opinion since I first saw him run the ball his freshman year. I'm not going to change my opinion just because I'm a stubborn old man.

I am interested in others opinions though. Opinions are like certain parts of the anatomy ... "everybody has one".

two different style backs, in different offensive schemes

both players any team would want

(06-24-2018 07:14 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 06:43 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 01:06 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 10:14 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 06:44 PM)Shooters Wrote:  Do you have any clue as to what percent of college RBs with STATS BETTER THAN HENDERSON after two season and PLAYING BETTER COMPETITION (SEC) even make the NFL? So you can’t just take admittedly limited numbers for Henderson and extrapolate his remaining career. Use a little common sense. I’ve been watching this sport for 50 years. Numbers don’t mean as much as you think and anything can happen. I could give you a lot of examples at Memphis.

The comparison is stupid because Henderson needs a hole in order to be successful. Put Henderson on a bad team and he will struggle...Put Deangelo on a bad team and he would still shine.

Henderson is executing plays...Deangelo MADE plays.

Quote:The comparison is stupid because Henderson needs a hole in order to be successful.

Your post is pure stupidity because Henderson made plays even when there wasn't a hole. We have weirdo supposed "fans" that are arguing that a running back who averaged 8.9 yards per carry AND 5.6 yards per carry after contact doesn't make plays. How is that even possible?

clearly not watching the same games the rest of us are

Not saying that Henderson is a bad player but he is nowhere near Williams level. Henderson doesn't see a hole he tries to get the edge. So many of Henderson's long runs are just weaving through traffic... He isn't beating guys, he is outrunning them

And the yards after contact stat is amazing, but it really doesn't tell the true story.

Is this some kind of a joke?

(06-24-2018 06:43 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 01:06 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 10:14 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 06:44 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 04:12 PM)Stammers Wrote:  DeAngelo's sophomore season he rushed for 5.9 yards per carry. Henderson averaged 8.9 yards per carry. What is dumb as hell is saying that it is dumb and then throwing out career stats and making the NFL statement...none of which have anything to do with the FACT that you can make a rational comparison between DeAngelo and Henderson after their sophomore seasons.

DeAngelo was shiftier and better at finding a hole. Henderson is better at hitting the hole quickly and is a bigger homerun threat.

So again, at the college level at the same time in their respective careers, in an apples to apples comparison, you can easily make the case that Henderson is just as good as DeAngelo.

Henderson rushed for 3 yards more per carry. DeAngelo rushed for 25 yards more per game with almost double the number of carries. Like I said, dumb of you to say the comparison is dumb.

Do you have any clue as to what percent of college RBs with STATS BETTER THAN HENDERSON after two season and PLAYING BETTER COMPETITION (SEC) even make the NFL? So you can’t just take admittedly limited numbers for Henderson and extrapolate his remaining career. Use a little common sense. I’ve been watching this sport for 50 years. Numbers don’t mean as much as you think and anything can happen. I could give you a lot of examples at Memphis.

The comparison is stupid because Henderson needs a hole in order to be successful. Put Henderson on a bad team and he will struggle...Put Deangelo on a bad team and he would still shine.

Henderson is executing plays...Deangelo MADE plays.

Quote:The comparison is stupid because Henderson needs a hole in order to be successful.

Your post is pure stupidity because Henderson made plays even when there wasn't a hole. We have weirdo supposed "fans" that are arguing that a running back who averaged 8.9 yards per carry AND 5.6 yards per carry after contact doesn't make plays. How is that even possible?

clearly not watching the same games the rest of us are

I see a running back who is easily the biggest homerun threat in the history of our program, averaging 9 yards per carry behind an average offensive line. Ridiculous...I know.

When comparing Henderson's first two seasons against Deangelo's - they are statistically similar aside from Henderson's crazy YPC number in his sophomore season and Deangelo's carries.

I think it will be tough to match what Deangelo did his last 2 seasons - 4,000 yards and 40 TDs, but I definitely think Henderson will see an uptick in carries.

(06-24-2018 06:49 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  The only real year DeAngello had to "carry" the Memphis team was 2005.
That was the year when we had 3 QBs get injured...and had to convert Maurice Avery (who had once played QB...but had moved to WR) from WR to QB.
The years before that...Memphis employed a WR by committee approach...so you didn't see WRs with really gaudy receiving yards...similar approach that Justin Fuente use at Memphis....dunno if he does it at Virginia Tech or not...because I don't keep track of them.

Then I would assume you would agree those receivers were not playmakers the caliber of what we have had the past two seasons? IF YOU WATCHED ALL OF DEANGELO’s GAMES, you would have seen that the defense was GEARED TO STOPPING DEANGELO virtually every play. Never the case with Henderson. Think that could have made a big difference in his yards per carry? Ask any football experts their opinion if you don’t believe me.

(06-24-2018 01:02 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 06:44 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 04:12 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 03:05 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 12:43 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Actually, your saying that statement is ludicrous is what's really funny.

Henderson is faster and in two seasons already averages more long runs than DeAngelo. Not to mention, to get back to the original topic, he leads the nation in yards after contact. They forget to mention, he lead NCAA RBs in average yards per carry as well. All while not even getting the majority of carries on the team.

In his best season, DeAngelo averaged a yard better... than Henderson did after first contact. Had his averages held up, give Henderson DeAngelo's carries in his second season (he had at least 70 more carries his 3rd and 4th than that year) and Henderson would've had more yards than any season DeAngelo had and would've broken the 2000 yard mark.

Yeah, that statement sure sounds ludicrous to me.

It’s dumb as hell. Comparing a part time RB (who I said early in his freshman season was a future NFler) to one who is 5th in the NCAA FBS total career rushing yards and only year under 6 yds a carry, he was at 5.9. Then he goes on to have a very good NFL career.

DeAngelo's sophomore season he rushed for 5.9 yards per carry. Henderson averaged 8.9 yards per carry. What is dumb as hell is saying that it is dumb and then throwing out career stats and making the NFL statement...none of which have anything to do with the FACT that you can make a rational comparison between DeAngelo and Henderson after their sophomore seasons.

DeAngelo was shiftier and better at finding a hole. Henderson is better at hitting the hole quickly and is a bigger homerun threat.

So again, at the college level at the same time in their respective careers, in an apples to apples comparison, you can easily make the case that Henderson is just as good as DeAngelo.

Henderson rushed for 3 yards more per carry. DeAngelo rushed for 25 yards more per game with almost double the number of carries. Like I said, dumb of you to say the comparison is dumb.

Do you have any clue as to what percent of college RBs with STATS BETTER THAN HENDERSON after two season and PLAYING BETTER COMPETITION (SEC) even make the NFL? So you can’t just take admittedly limited numbers for Henderson and extrapolate his remaining career. Use a little common sense. I’ve been watching this sport for 50 years. Numbers don’t mean as much as you think and anything can happen. I could give you a lot of examples at Memphis.

Clearly, basic reading comprehension is beyond you. The comparison is for their first 2 seasons. Also, you CAN'T extrapolate Henderson's remaining career either. In any event, he ran for an AVERAGE of 3 yards more per carry than DeAngelo did.

Quote:Do you have any clue as to what percent of college RBs with STATS BETTER THAN HENDERSON after two season and PLAYING BETTER COMPETITION (SEC) even make the NFL?

So you are saying that numbers aren't the end all, and then...you state that lots of players with better numbers don't even make the NFL. Also, back up your dumb argument with a link to all these players. Also, DeAngelo didn't play in the SEC either.

Your whole argument is dumb.

Thought I would see a reasoned response from you but I was wrong. Nowhere did I state anywhere about DeAngelo playing in NFL. Gist of most arguments seem to be Henderson’s yards per carry and explosiveness BUT LIMITED TO HIS FIRST TWO YEARS WHEN COMPARED TO DW.

I’m saying yards per carry can be misleading in any scenario and their are many variables that influence that number. If the defense is geared to stopping you EVERY PLAY and NO OTHER BIG PLAYMAKERS as with DeAngelo and you are still at 6 per carry, you are a hell of a RB. We know this know because we can see past the first two year window. We know DeAgelo was NFL all pro.

Henderson had playmakers galore and played part time; DeAngelo got the 1 and 2 yard runs for 1st downs. Last couple of years, if we didn’t pass on short yardage situations, Dorceus (2016) or Taylor (2017) usually got the 1-3 yard plays for first downs while Henderson didn’t have those short runs bringing down his numbers.

To say that my argument that’s yards per carry is not a good indication of NFL and is dumb is not a compelling argument without FACTS. My point was RBs in SEC that averaged 8-9 a game part time didn’t make it. That is a fact. And comparing a 2 year good RB to DeAngelo-one of the greatest football players ever to don a Tiger uniform is DUMB. He is also one of our greatest ambassadors for the program. He would get a good laugh of this ridiculous thread.

I would bet money that he would think your argument was dumb.

I bet he would think the comparison of Henderson to himself would be a compliment. I know he thinks he's better, but he thinks he's better than most every RB in the nation. Probably still does today.

(06-24-2018 11:50 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 01:02 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 06:44 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 04:12 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 03:05 PM)Shooters Wrote:  It’s dumb as hell. Comparing a part time RB (who I said early in his freshman season was a future NFler) to one who is 5th in the NCAA FBS total career rushing yards and only year under 6 yds a carry, he was at 5.9. Then he goes on to have a very good NFL career.

DeAngelo's sophomore season he rushed for 5.9 yards per carry. Henderson averaged 8.9 yards per carry. What is dumb as hell is saying that it is dumb and then throwing out career stats and making the NFL statement...none of which have anything to do with the FACT that you can make a rational comparison between DeAngelo and Henderson after their sophomore seasons.

DeAngelo was shiftier and better at finding a hole. Henderson is better at hitting the hole quickly and is a bigger homerun threat.

So again, at the college level at the same time in their respective careers, in an apples to apples comparison, you can easily make the case that Henderson is just as good as DeAngelo.

Henderson rushed for 3 yards more per carry. DeAngelo rushed for 25 yards more per game with almost double the number of carries. Like I said, dumb of you to say the comparison is dumb.

Do you have any clue as to what percent of college RBs with STATS BETTER THAN HENDERSON after two season and PLAYING BETTER COMPETITION (SEC) even make the NFL? So you can’t just take admittedly limited numbers for Henderson and extrapolate his remaining career. Use a little common sense. I’ve been watching this sport for 50 years. Numbers don’t mean as much as you think and anything can happen. I could give you a lot of examples at Memphis.

Clearly, basic reading comprehension is beyond you. The comparison is for their first 2 seasons. Also, you CAN'T extrapolate Henderson's remaining career either. In any event, he ran for an AVERAGE of 3 yards more per carry than DeAngelo did.

Quote:Do you have any clue as to what percent of college RBs with STATS BETTER THAN HENDERSON after two season and PLAYING BETTER COMPETITION (SEC) even make the NFL?

So you are saying that numbers aren't the end all, and then...you state that lots of players with better numbers don't even make the NFL. Also, back up your dumb argument with a link to all these players. Also, DeAngelo didn't play in the SEC either.

Your whole argument is dumb.

Thought I would see a reasoned response from you but I was wrong. Nowhere did I state anywhere about DeAngelo playing in NFL. Gist of most arguments seem to be Henderson’s yards per carry and explosiveness BUT LIMITED TO HIS FIRST TWO YEARS WHEN COMPARED TO DW.

I’m saying yards per carry can be misleading in any scenario and their are many variables that influence that number. If the defense is geared to stopping you EVERY PLAY and NO OTHER BIG PLAYMAKERS as with DeAngelo and you are still at 6 per carry, you are a hell of a RB. We know this know because we can see past the first two year window. We know DeAgelo was NFL all pro.

Henderson had playmakers galore and played part time; DeAngelo got the 1 and 2 yard runs for 1st downs. Last couple of years, if we didn’t pass on short yardage situations, Dorceus (2016) or Taylor (2017) usually got the 1-3 yard plays for first downs while Henderson didn’t have those short runs bringing down his numbers.

To say that my argument that’s yards per carry is not a good indication of NFL and is dumb is not a compelling argument without FACTS. My point was RBs in SEC that averaged 8-9 a game part time didn’t make it. That is a fact. And comparing a 2 year good RB to DeAngelo-one of the greatest football players ever to don a Tiger uniform is DUMB. He is also one of our greatest ambassadors for the program. He would get a good laugh of this ridiculous thread.

The fact that we had 4 running backs with over 30 carries and EVERYONE of them averaged over 5 yards a carry points to the system, at least partly.

(06-24-2018 11:50 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 01:02 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 06:44 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 04:12 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 03:05 PM)Shooters Wrote:  It’s dumb as hell. Comparing a part time RB (who I said early in his freshman season was a future NFler) to one who is 5th in the NCAA FBS total career rushing yards and only year under 6 yds a carry, he was at 5.9. Then he goes on to have a very good NFL career.

DeAngelo's sophomore season he rushed for 5.9 yards per carry. Henderson averaged 8.9 yards per carry. What is dumb as hell is saying that it is dumb and then throwing out career stats and making the NFL statement...none of which have anything to do with the FACT that you can make a rational comparison between DeAngelo and Henderson after their sophomore seasons.

DeAngelo was shiftier and better at finding a hole. Henderson is better at hitting the hole quickly and is a bigger homerun threat.

So again, at the college level at the same time in their respective careers, in an apples to apples comparison, you can easily make the case that Henderson is just as good as DeAngelo.

Henderson rushed for 3 yards more per carry. DeAngelo rushed for 25 yards more per game with almost double the number of carries. Like I said, dumb of you to say the comparison is dumb.

Do you have any clue as to what percent of college RBs with STATS BETTER THAN HENDERSON after two season and PLAYING BETTER COMPETITION (SEC) even make the NFL? So you can’t just take admittedly limited numbers for Henderson and extrapolate his remaining career. Use a little common sense. I’ve been watching this sport for 50 years. Numbers don’t mean as much as you think and anything can happen. I could give you a lot of examples at Memphis.

Clearly, basic reading comprehension is beyond you. The comparison is for their first 2 seasons. Also, you CAN'T extrapolate Henderson's remaining career either. In any event, he ran for an AVERAGE of 3 yards more per carry than DeAngelo did.

Quote:Do you have any clue as to what percent of college RBs with STATS BETTER THAN HENDERSON after two season and PLAYING BETTER COMPETITION (SEC) even make the NFL?

So you are saying that numbers aren't the end all, and then...you state that lots of players with better numbers don't even make the NFL. Also, back up your dumb argument with a link to all these players. Also, DeAngelo didn't play in the SEC either.

Your whole argument is dumb.

Thought I would see a reasoned response from you but I was wrong. Nowhere did I state anywhere about DeAngelo playing in NFL. Gist of most arguments seem to be Henderson’s yards per carry and explosiveness BUT LIMITED TO HIS FIRST TWO YEARS WHEN COMPARED TO DW.

I’m saying yards per carry can be misleading in any scenario and their are many variables that influence that number. If the defense is geared to stopping you EVERY PLAY and NO OTHER BIG PLAYMAKERS as with DeAngelo and you are still at 6 per carry, you are a hell of a RB. We know this know because we can see past the first two year window. We know DeAgelo was NFL all pro.

Henderson had playmakers galore and played part time; DeAngelo got the 1 and 2 yard runs for 1st downs. Last couple of years, if we didn’t pass on short yardage situations, Dorceus (2016) or Taylor (2017) usually got the 1-3 yard plays for first downs while Henderson didn’t have those short runs bringing down his numbers.

To say that my argument that’s yards per carry is not a good indication of NFL and is dumb is not a compelling argument without FACTS. My point was RBs in SEC that averaged 8-9 a game part time didn’t make it. That is a fact. And comparing a 2 year good RB to DeAngelo-one of the greatest football players ever to don a Tiger uniform is DUMB. He is also one of our greatest ambassadors for the program. He would get a good laugh of this ridiculous thread.

You keep bringing up the dumb NFL argument AND DeAngelo's entire career here, so clearly you still can't read. We are talking about their first 2 seasons. Our offensive lines was one of the best in the country when DeAngelo was here. Henderson averages 5.6 yards AFTER somebody hits him. His yards per carry averages are where they are because he runs away from everyone.

Quote:He is also one of our greatest ambassadors for the program.

Yes, that cost DeAngelo 3 yards per carry his sophomore season.

(06-24-2018 12:06 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 11:50 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 01:02 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 06:44 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 04:12 PM)Stammers Wrote:  DeAngelo's sophomore season he rushed for 5.9 yards per carry. Henderson averaged 8.9 yards per carry. What is dumb as hell is saying that it is dumb and then throwing out career stats and making the NFL statement...none of which have anything to do with the FACT that you can make a rational comparison between DeAngelo and Henderson after their sophomore seasons.

DeAngelo was shiftier and better at finding a hole. Henderson is better at hitting the hole quickly and is a bigger homerun threat.

So again, at the college level at the same time in their respective careers, in an apples to apples comparison, you can easily make the case that Henderson is just as good as DeAngelo.

Henderson rushed for 3 yards more per carry. DeAngelo rushed for 25 yards more per game with almost double the number of carries. Like I said, dumb of you to say the comparison is dumb.

Do you have any clue as to what percent of college RBs with STATS BETTER THAN HENDERSON after two season and PLAYING BETTER COMPETITION (SEC) even make the NFL? So you can’t just take admittedly limited numbers for Henderson and extrapolate his remaining career. Use a little common sense. I’ve been watching this sport for 50 years. Numbers don’t mean as much as you think and anything can happen. I could give you a lot of examples at Memphis.

Clearly, basic reading comprehension is beyond you. The comparison is for their first 2 seasons. Also, you CAN'T extrapolate Henderson's remaining career either. In any event, he ran for an AVERAGE of 3 yards more per carry than DeAngelo did.

Quote:Do you have any clue as to what percent of college RBs with STATS BETTER THAN HENDERSON after two season and PLAYING BETTER COMPETITION (SEC) even make the NFL?

So you are saying that numbers aren't the end all, and then...you state that lots of players with better numbers don't even make the NFL. Also, back up your dumb argument with a link to all these players. Also, DeAngelo didn't play in the SEC either.

Your whole argument is dumb.

Thought I would see a reasoned response from you but I was wrong. Nowhere did I state anywhere about DeAngelo playing in NFL. Gist of most arguments seem to be Henderson’s yards per carry and explosiveness BUT LIMITED TO HIS FIRST TWO YEARS WHEN COMPARED TO DW.

I’m saying yards per carry can be misleading in any scenario and their are many variables that influence that number. If the defense is geared to stopping you EVERY PLAY and NO OTHER BIG PLAYMAKERS as with DeAngelo and you are still at 6 per carry, you are a hell of a RB. We know this know because we can see past the first two year window. We know DeAgelo was NFL all pro.

Henderson had playmakers galore and played part time; DeAngelo got the 1 and 2 yard runs for 1st downs. Last couple of years, if we didn’t pass on short yardage situations, Dorceus (2016) or Taylor (2017) usually got the 1-3 yard plays for first downs while Henderson didn’t have those short runs bringing down his numbers.

To say that my argument that’s yards per carry is not a good indication of NFL and is dumb is not a compelling argument without FACTS. My point was RBs in SEC that averaged 8-9 a game part time didn’t make it. That is a fact. And comparing a 2 year good RB to DeAngelo-one of the greatest football players ever to don a Tiger uniform is DUMB. He is also one of our greatest ambassadors for the program. He would get a good laugh of this ridiculous thread.

The fact that we had 4 running backs with over 30 carries and EVERYONE of them averaged over 5 yards a carry points to the system, at least partly.

For sure, but they also point to Henderson being head and shoulders better than everyone else. Taylor and Pollard have a shot at the NFL and along with other stuff, lead to a GREAT back in Doroceus riding the bench.

Someone address this. Tommy West talked about the defenses keying on DeAngelo almost every play quite a bit. How many plays in 2 seasons do you think defense was keyed on Henderson? Tell me about the AA wide receivers DW had to take pressure off him. Tell me about a 4 deep RB rotation to give DW whole series off. Tell me about how many 3 and 2s (or similar) where D had 8 guys in the box that DW had his first 2 years vs Henderson. Tell me how many TOTAL TD passes were thrown in DW first two years vs Henderson’s.

“I’m saying yards per carry can be misleading in any scenario and their are many variables that influence that number. If the defense is geared to stopping you EVERY PLAY and NO OTHER BIG PLAYMAKERS as with DeAngelo and you are still at 6 per carry, you are a hell of a RB. We know this know because we can see past the first two year window. We know DeAgelo was NFL all pro.

Henderson had playmakers galore and played part time; DeAngelo got the 1 and 2 yard runs for 1st downs. Last couple of years, if we didn’t pass on short yardage situations, Dorceus (2016) or Taylor (2017) usually got the 1-3 yard plays for first downs while Henderson didn’t have those short runs bringing down his numbers.”

(06-24-2018 03:20 PM)Shooters Wrote:  Someone address this. Tommy West talked about the defenses keying on DeAngelo almost every play quite a bit. How many plays in 2 seasons do you think defense was keyed on Henderson? Tell me about the AA wide receivers DW had to take pressure off him. Tell me about a 4 deep RB rotation to give DW whole series off. Tell me about how many 3 and 2s (or similar) where D had 8 guys in the box that DW had his first 2 years vs Henderson. Tell me how many TOTAL TD passes were thrown in DW first two years vs Henderson’s.

“I’m saying yards per carry can be misleading in any scenario and their are many variables that influence that number. If the defense is geared to stopping you EVERY PLAY and NO OTHER BIG PLAYMAKERS as with DeAngelo and you are still at 6 per carry, you are a hell of a RB. We know this know because we can see past the first two year window. We know DeAgelo was NFL all pro.

Henderson had playmakers galore and played part time; DeAngelo got the 1 and 2 yard runs for 1st downs. Last couple of years, if we didn’t pass on short yardage situations, Dorceus (2016) or Taylor (2017) usually got the 1-3 yard plays for first downs while Henderson didn’t have those short runs bringing down his numbers.”

IF Pollard, Taylor and Dorceus were around, DeAngelo would have had a lot less carriers. We were still 10th in the country in scoring his sophomore year, we weren't exactly slouches.

AGAIN, DeAngelo also had the benefit of playing in front of phenomenal offensive lines.

Quote:We know this know because we can see past the first two year window. We know DeAgelo was NFL all pro.

We don't know what Henderson will be and it is irrelevant, but again, you bring up his NFL career. Reggie Bush was a better college player and was picked #2. Adam Morrison was picked #3 in the NBA draft. At this point in their careers, there is very little to choose from between DeAngelo and Henderson. They are both generational NCAA D1 running backs.

(06-24-2018 11:38 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 06:49 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  The only real year DeAngello had to "carry" the Memphis team was 2005.
That was the year when we had 3 QBs get injured...and had to convert Maurice Avery (who had once played QB...but had moved to WR) from WR to QB.
The years before that...Memphis employed a WR by committee approach...so you didn't see WRs with really gaudy receiving yards...similar approach that Justin Fuente use at Memphis....dunno if he does it at Virginia Tech or not...because I don't keep track of them.

Then I would assume you would agree those receivers were not playmakers the caliber of what we have had the past two seasons? IF YOU WATCHED ALL OF DEANGELO’s GAMES, you would have seen that the defense was GEARED TO STOPPING DEANGELO virtually every play. Never the case with Henderson. Think that could have made a big difference in his yards per carry? Ask any football experts their opinion if you don’t believe me.

I have stated in game threads that Henderson has made some DeAngeloesque type plays in the past. But you have to look at a game like the one against TCU which showed you why DeAngelo was and will be the greatest for a looooong time. TCU came in with a highly rated defense and was focused on stopping DeAngelo and did it for a large portion of the game. Then on a sweep to the left he stretched out the defense and saw an opening in the corner of his eye. He cut it back and cut across the defense to the end zone.

You have to remember that the number three guy in career rushing for Tigers only played 2 years.

Also DeAngelo owns 7 of top 10 single game rushing records with Paul Gowen with 1` and Curtis Steele with 2. Right now Henderson's best is a 169 yard game.

My two cents: they're different backs with different strengths that makes them both excellent.

Henderson probably has better top end speed, and he has a lower center of gravity. This is why once he gets into field, he's a home run threat.

Deangelo had better burst and cuts. These combined are why defenses struggled, even when they keyed on him. He turned so many plays all the way around from behind the line of scrimmage. This was his home run threat.

(06-24-2018 11:38 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 06:49 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  The only real year DeAngello had to "carry" the Memphis team was 2005.
That was the year when we had 3 QBs get injured...and had to convert Maurice Avery (who had once played QB...but had moved to WR) from WR to QB.
The years before that...Memphis employed a WR by committee approach...so you didn't see WRs with really gaudy receiving yards...similar approach that Justin Fuente use at Memphis....dunno if he does it at Virginia Tech or not...because I don't keep track of them.

Then I would assume you would agree those receivers were not playmakers the caliber of what we have had the past two seasons? IF YOU WATCHED ALL OF DEANGELO’s GAMES, you would have seen that the defense was GEARED TO STOPPING DEANGELO virtually every play. Never the case with Henderson. Think that could have made a big difference in his yards per carry? Ask any football experts their opinion if you don’t believe me.

Not at all.
Who KNOWS how the receivers under Tommy West would have fared if he hadn't had the ball spread around so much?
Would we have known that Anthony Miller was such a great receiver...if he had kept having the same type of yardage that he got when he played under Justin Fuente?
In his only year starting under Fuente...he had 47 catches 694 yards 5 tds.
The next 2 years under Norvell...he had 95 and 92 receptions with 1434 yards 14 tds and 1407 yards 17tds respectively.
More receptions...more yards and scores. Who knew?


We had Duke Calhoun and Carlos Singleton at one point. Two receivers who could have/should have been the greatest 1-2 punch Memphis had seen in Tiger football at the WR position.
They did have some impressive numbers, and Duke lived up to his end...but I don't think Carlos was ever really pushed.
After a good sophomore and junior season...he regressed in his senior season. He had good height...I mean 6'7 is TALL for a WR. I don't remember him having terrific speed....but he had decent hands.
If I had been OC...and my 6'7 WR is being defended by a 5'10 or 6'2 CB or S...I'd throw it to him darn near every play.

(06-24-2018 11:50 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 01:02 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 06:44 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 04:12 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 03:05 PM)Shooters Wrote:  It’s dumb as hell. Comparing a part time RB (who I said early in his freshman season was a future NFler) to one who is 5th in the NCAA FBS total career rushing yards and only year under 6 yds a carry, he was at 5.9. Then he goes on to have a very good NFL career.

DeAngelo's sophomore season he rushed for 5.9 yards per carry. Henderson averaged 8.9 yards per carry. What is dumb as hell is saying that it is dumb and then throwing out career stats and making the NFL statement...none of which have anything to do with the FACT that you can make a rational comparison between DeAngelo and Henderson after their sophomore seasons.

DeAngelo was shiftier and better at finding a hole. Henderson is better at hitting the hole quickly and is a bigger homerun threat.

So again, at the college level at the same time in their respective careers, in an apples to apples comparison, you can easily make the case that Henderson is just as good as DeAngelo.

Henderson rushed for 3 yards more per carry. DeAngelo rushed for 25 yards more per game with almost double the number of carries. Like I said, dumb of you to say the comparison is dumb.

Do you have any clue as to what percent of college RBs with STATS BETTER THAN HENDERSON after two season and PLAYING BETTER COMPETITION (SEC) even make the NFL? So you can’t just take admittedly limited numbers for Henderson and extrapolate his remaining career. Use a little common sense. I’ve been watching this sport for 50 years. Numbers don’t mean as much as you think and anything can happen. I could give you a lot of examples at Memphis.

Clearly, basic reading comprehension is beyond you. The comparison is for their first 2 seasons. Also, you CAN'T extrapolate Henderson's remaining career either. In any event, he ran for an AVERAGE of 3 yards more per carry than DeAngelo did.

Quote:Do you have any clue as to what percent of college RBs with STATS BETTER THAN HENDERSON after two season and PLAYING BETTER COMPETITION (SEC) even make the NFL?

So you are saying that numbers aren't the end all, and then...you state that lots of players with better numbers don't even make the NFL. Also, back up your dumb argument with a link to all these players. Also, DeAngelo didn't play in the SEC either.

Your whole argument is dumb.

Thought I would see a reasoned response from you but I was wrong. Nowhere did I state anywhere about DeAngelo playing in NFL. Gist of most arguments seem to be Henderson’s yards per carry and explosiveness BUT LIMITED TO HIS FIRST TWO YEARS WHEN COMPARED TO DW.

I’m saying yards per carry can be misleading in any scenario and their are many variables that influence that number. If the defense is geared to stopping you EVERY PLAY and NO OTHER BIG PLAYMAKERS as with DeAngelo and you are still at 6 per carry, you are a hell of a RB. We know this know because we can see past the first two year window. We know DeAgelo was NFL all pro.

Henderson had playmakers galore and played part time; DeAngelo got the 1 and 2 yard runs for 1st downs. Last couple of years, if we didn’t pass on short yardage situations, Dorceus (2016) or Taylor (2017) usually got the 1-3 yard plays for first downs while Henderson didn’t have those short runs bringing down his numbers.

To say that my argument that’s yards per carry is not a good indication of NFL and is dumb is not a compelling argument without FACTS. My point was RBs in SEC that averaged 8-9 a game part time didn’t make it. That is a fact. And comparing a 2 year good RB to DeAngelo-one of the greatest football players ever to don a Tiger uniform is DUMB. He is also one of our greatest ambassadors for the program. He would get a good laugh of this ridiculous thread.

excuse me...no other playmakers?

Do you realize that while he played Danny Wimprine threw for
1329 yards 14 td 4 intin his first year as a freshman
2820 yards 23 td 18 int as a sophomore
3174 yards 22tds 13 ints as a junior
2892 yards 22tds 14 ints as a senior.

Now SOMEONE had to be catching all of those balls. It wasn't DeAngelo doing it all by himself back there....so slow your roll on the playmakers.
If opponents geared up to stop the run...we'd throw it on them some.