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(05-15-2019 04:48 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Last night's lottery draw SHOULD have basically guaranteed AD to LA. Boston's season didn't make their trade prospects look any better than the Lakers, and a #4 pick has monstrous value. In theory the Lakers could trade for AD and still have a ton of money to spend on FAs (not a max guy but certainly quality guys). But with all the dysfunction in LA's FO it's easy to imagine agents advising their clients to look at the Lakers with a healthy dose of skepticism. If they can't get an AD trade done, landing one of Kawhi, Klay, KD (a pipe dream regardless), Kyrie or whomever isn't going to be easy.

Lakers should go all in on AD exactly because free agents may be less interested -- though it's possible NO will not deal with the Lakers unless every other offer is very low. Celtics might just have to make a good-not-great offer for AD such as Jaylen Brown, the #14 pick this season, and the 2020 Memphis pick. If Boston offers Tatum plus those picks, NO can easily take that without even considering a Lakers offer.

Lakers' best free agent bet might be offering DeMarcus Cousins a lot of money and hoping no one else wants to bid high.
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Completely agree with the idea of abolishing pro sports drafts...

https://usatoday.com/story/sports/ftw/20...691216002/

Quote:Annual amateur drafts are so deeply embedded in U.S. professional sports culture that we rarely stop to think about how dumb they are. Why are we still doing this?
Quote:I’ve written about this scenario for baseball multiple times and at fairly great length. But where MLB would need some sort of bonus pool to govern how much teams could spend on would-be domestic amateur free agents — lest the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox and Cubs snatch up every single good young player — it strikes me that NBA teams are already restricted by a salary cap. Hey, Knicks, you want Zion so bad? Great, you’ve got cap room, go make your case to him.

The NBA’s byzantine salary-cap structure and caveats complicate things, but it feels like eliminating the draft would immediately end tanking as a strategy. It might even inspire the Knicks to figure out a way to stop sucking so hard at everything all the time, lest they sign only masochists every year.
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(05-15-2019 08:06 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Lakers should go all in on AD exactly because free agents may be less interested -- though it's possible NO will not deal with the Lakers unless every other offer is very low. Celtics might just have to make a good-not-great offer for AD such as Jaylen Brown, the #14 pick this season, and the 2020 Memphis pick. If Boston offers Tatum plus those picks, NO can easily take that without even considering a Lakers offer.

Oh, I'm sure they'll pull out all the stops. With Griffin in place in NO there's an expectation that NO will deal fairly, without the animus that was coming from Demps. If that's the case it's not a slam dunk for Boston it looked like earlier. Tatum didn't improve this year and Brown is promising with a lot of areas that need improvement. That sounds like how we'd describe some of the Lakers' best prospects but that #4 pick is huge. My concern is that AD is looking at the Lakers FO and may, 1) start thinking what it would be like to play with Zion, or 2) tell NO's FO that his list of teams just got much longer.

Quote:Lakers' best free agent bet might be offering DeMarcus Cousins a lot of money and hoping no one else wants to bid high.

The numbers work. Cousins' injuries are likely to suppress his contract value, leaving more on the table for another high(er - not est) value FA.
Watching LeBron and Boogie play together seems fun in the abstract. The skill sets certainly are complementary. I just wonder how two personalities like that would mesh.
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A new episode of As The Lakers Turn:

Magic goes on "First Take" and calls Rob Pelinka a backstabber.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=26787113
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I listened a bit on the drive to work. He's never been a good self-editor. I think he believes he wants what's best for the Lakers but his timing is pretty dreadful. It may not really matter though - agents and players are already thinking about this stuff - he's just throwing more fuel on the fire. They keep trying to get Magic to throw Kobe under the bus but he keeps sticking to Pelinka being the source. And Jeanie having too many cooks in her kitchen.
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(05-20-2019 11:35 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I listened a bit on the drive to work. He's never been a good self-editor. I think he believes he wants what's best for the Lakers but his timing is pretty dreadful. It may not really matter though - agents and players are already thinking about this stuff - he's just throwing more fuel on the fire. They keep trying to get Magic to throw Kobe under the bus but he keeps sticking to Pelinka being the source. And Jeanie having too many cooks in her kitchen.

You might be right that this is a competition between Magic and Kobe for influence with Jeanie, and Pelinka might just be the proxy because Magic knows that attacking Kobe directly would be poorly received by Lakers fans.

Maybe the real problem is just that too much of this Lakers stuff gets out in public. There are other owners that have several people influencing them or trying to influence them, but it's not out in public because the media focuses on the Lakers. It would be interesting to know, for example, who is actually running the Blazers after Paul Allen's death, but because it's Portland and not LA, that gets no media attention.
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(05-20-2019 12:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Maybe the real problem is just that too much of this Lakers stuff gets out in public.

This, this, 1,000 times this.

Jeanie isn't capable of running the organization the way her dad did. Passion isn't enough.
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Deadspin with the best headline today: This Is The Most Entertaining The Lakers Have Been In Years

Ray Ratto Wrote:...the Laker families are maneuvering into a full Godfathering of the franchise, and nobody has yet revealed themselves as Al Pacino.

Quote:This would be almost every bit as much fun if it happened to the Knicks or Heat or Celtics or Warriors. This would also be almost every bit as much fun if it happened to a hockey team or a football team or a soccer team or a baseball team or an Olympic committee we all know about. It’s just that most of the time the fight is either over an estate or avoiding prosecution. This is something better, something clumsy yet cut-throaty, something well in keeping with the stereotypical Los Angeles rather than the one waiting for global warming to lay waste to it and make Bakersfield beachfront property.

Ratto really cuts deep here. It's an entertaining read.
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f*ckin' blowin' it. kawhi's legit but it don't matter
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(05-16-2019 11:30 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Completely agree with the idea of abolishing pro sports drafts...

https://usatoday.com/story/sports/ftw/20...691216002/

Quote:Annual amateur drafts are so deeply embedded in U.S. professional sports culture that we rarely stop to think about how dumb they are. Why are we still doing this?
Quote:I’ve written about this scenario for baseball multiple times and at fairly great length. But where MLB would need some sort of bonus pool to govern how much teams could spend on would-be domestic amateur free agents — lest the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox and Cubs snatch up every single good young player — it strikes me that NBA teams are already restricted by a salary cap. Hey, Knicks, you want Zion so bad? Great, you’ve got cap room, go make your case to him.

The NBA’s byzantine salary-cap structure and caveats complicate things, but it feels like eliminating the draft would immediately end tanking as a strategy. It might even inspire the Knicks to figure out a way to stop sucking so hard at everything all the time, lest they sign only masochists every year.

In the soccer thread you talk about the MLS Ponzi scheme and why relegation won’t work. So you know the same dynamics are in effect with respect to the draft. Those small markets would chafe at the idea of rookies going to the highest bidder. Especially in the NBA where only 3-5 players are truly franchise changing.
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man f*ck kawhi. the spurs are saddled with two late first round picks as consolation. and demar derozan. wooo. i hope they get swept
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(05-16-2019 11:30 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Completely agree with the idea of abolishing pro sports drafts...

https://usatoday.com/story/sports/ftw/20...691216002/

Quote:Annual amateur drafts are so deeply embedded in U.S. professional sports culture that we rarely stop to think about how dumb they are. Why are we still doing this?
Quote:I’ve written about this scenario for baseball multiple times and at fairly great length. But where MLB would need some sort of bonus pool to govern how much teams could spend on would-be domestic amateur free agents — lest the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox and Cubs snatch up every single good young player — it strikes me that NBA teams are already restricted by a salary cap. Hey, Knicks, you want Zion so bad? Great, you’ve got cap room, go make your case to him.

The NBA’s byzantine salary-cap structure and caveats complicate things, but it feels like eliminating the draft would immediately end tanking as a strategy. It might even inspire the Knicks to figure out a way to stop sucking so hard at everything all the time, lest they sign only masochists every year.

In the soccer thread you talk about the MLS Ponzi scheme and why relegation won’t work. So you know the same dynamics are in effect with respect to the draft. Those small markets would chafe at the idea of rookies going to the highest bidder. Especially in the NBA where only 3-5 players are truly franchise changing.
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(Today 08:14 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(05-16-2019 11:30 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Completely agree with the idea of abolishing pro sports drafts...

https://usatoday.com/story/sports/ftw/20...691216002/

Quote:Annual amateur drafts are so deeply embedded in U.S. professional sports culture that we rarely stop to think about how dumb they are. Why are we still doing this?
Quote:I’ve written about this scenario for baseball multiple times and at fairly great length. But where MLB would need some sort of bonus pool to govern how much teams could spend on would-be domestic amateur free agents — lest the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox and Cubs snatch up every single good young player — it strikes me that NBA teams are already restricted by a salary cap. Hey, Knicks, you want Zion so bad? Great, you’ve got cap room, go make your case to him.

The NBA’s byzantine salary-cap structure and caveats complicate things, but it feels like eliminating the draft would immediately end tanking as a strategy. It might even inspire the Knicks to figure out a way to stop sucking so hard at everything all the time, lest they sign only masochists every year.

In the soccer thread you talk about the MLS Ponzi scheme and why relegation won’t work. So you know the same dynamics are in effect with respect to the draft. Those small markets would chafe at the idea of rookies going to the highest bidder. Especially in the NBA where only 3-5 players are truly franchise changing.

The best players wouldn't all go to the highest bidder with a rookies salary cap. Each team would have the same amount of money to spend on rookies. The Grizzlies and Pelicans will have the same amount to spend on rookies as the Knicks or Lakers.

No team would have the cap room to sign the top three rookies, because there's no way those rookies are all going to take sub-market salaries for their first 3 seasons just so they can all fit under one team's rookie cap. In fact, a rookie as highly sought after as Zion Williamson could easily command a team's entire rookies cap -- and he should fire his agent if the agent doesn't demand every penny of that money -- and that would leave that team unable to sign any other rookies.
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