(06-20-2018 11:12 AM)shere khan Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/trump-sa...ether.html

In before dems claim larger cages.

trump solves problem he created...lol, WELL done [/rollseyes]

(06-20-2018 12:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 12:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:23 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Yes, we are absolutely correct to criticize Trump's original policies that created this mess in the first place. You don't commit crimes against humanity and then get to say 'oopsie'. Its not how this works.

Yea but you forget they broke the law.
A plan was offered months ago and the Dems walked away just like last night.

This actually looks worse on the left because you're stomping and running away from the table isn't working.

They were induced to break the law by DJT's policy of shutting down legal entry points for asylum seekers.

A plan that encouraged hostage taking was offered. No, we aren't voting for a removal of asylum laws for women, LGBTs, and persons of color. No we aren't voting for a stupid wall. No matter how much you abuse kids in order to try to force it. DACA recipients should have a path to citizenship in the only country they've ever known.

Creating a crisis shouldn't be rewarded. Trump created this crisis. He's just trying to limit the damage. But I'm sure there will be something in it for the racist trolls he implemented this unconscionable policy in the first place.

Charlottesville
Mexicans are rapists
Muslim bans
Attacks on Transpersons
Slavish support for human rights abusers
Central Park 5
Birtherism
Attacks on the physically disabled
Support for discrimination against LGBT persons
Appointing bigots to the Federal Bench
Kizhr Khan
Support for Tony Perkins
Endorsing Roy Moore
Bragging about sexually assaulting women
Emoluments
The most corrupt Administration in US history, and its not even close.

Look, there's no 3d chess going on here. He is a crass, self serving bigot. And all of his remaining supporters can't claim that 'he really isn't like that'. You stay with him, you're endorsing everything he does now.

And there's another facet of Trumpism. He's such a selfish tool that just about everyone that helps him ends up in a worse position.

So, if he decides he can't get away with putting 3 year olds in dog kennels for the time being, that's just going to kick this down the road until the next outrage. And with his Administration largely composed of bigots, racists, grifters, and incompetents of the rankist order, its only a matter of time before another Trump created crisis develops.

Jesus dude. On some issues you offer cogent and reasonable debate. On some---you are simply too wild eyed and hate filled to even engage.

I'm not the one putting kids in dog kennels because their mother committed and induced misdemenor

I'm not celebrating GOP officials saying Womp, Womp, in response to a 10 year old developmentally disabled kid being ripped from his parent

I'm not ignoring the humanity of those fleeing harm in Central America and Mexico

I'm not doing any of that. You can find all of that, just this morning.

But I will, at times, respond to it. Again, you can't support Trump and pretend he isn't what he is. You might not like getting called out on it, but there it is.

Again, where was this outrage during past admins? Specifically, the outrage against non asylum seeking kids being put in "toddler cages"?

(06-20-2018 12:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:12 AM)shere khan Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/trump-sa...ether.html

In before dems claim larger cages.

trump solves problem he created...lol, WELL done [/rollseyes]

The talking points are coming out

(06-20-2018 12:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 12:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:23 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Yes, we are absolutely correct to criticize Trump's original policies that created this mess in the first place. You don't commit crimes against humanity and then get to say 'oopsie'. Its not how this works.

Yea but you forget they broke the law.
A plan was offered months ago and the Dems walked away just like last night.

This actually looks worse on the left because you're stomping and running away from the table isn't working.

They were induced to break the law by DJT's policy of shutting down legal entry points for asylum seekers.

A plan that encouraged hostage taking was offered. No, we aren't voting for a removal of asylum laws for women, LGBTs, and persons of color. No we aren't voting for a stupid wall. No matter how much you abuse kids in order to try to force it. DACA recipients should have a path to citizenship in the only country they've ever known.

Creating a crisis shouldn't be rewarded. Trump created this crisis. He's just trying to limit the damage. But I'm sure there will be something in it for the racist trolls he implemented this unconscionable policy in the first place.

Charlottesville
Mexicans are rapists
Muslim bans
Attacks on Transpersons
Slavish support for human rights abusers
Central Park 5
Birtherism
Attacks on the physically disabled
Support for discrimination against LGBT persons
Appointing bigots to the Federal Bench
Kizhr Khan
Support for Tony Perkins
Endorsing Roy Moore
Bragging about sexually assaulting women
Emoluments
The most corrupt Administration in US history, and its not even close.

Look, there's no 3d chess going on here. He is a crass, self serving bigot. And all of his remaining supporters can't claim that 'he really isn't like that'. You stay with him, you're endorsing everything he does now.

And there's another facet of Trumpism. He's such a selfish tool that just about everyone that helps him ends up in a worse position.

So, if he decides he can't get away with putting 3 year olds in dog kennels for the time being, that's just going to kick this down the road until the next outrage. And with his Administration largely composed of bigots, racists, grifters, and incompetents of the rankist order, its only a matter of time before another Trump created crisis develops.

Jesus dude. On some issues you offer cogent and reasonable debate. On some---you are simply too wild eyed and hate filled to even engage.

I'm not the one putting kids in dog kennels because their mother committed and induced misdemenor

I'm not celebrating GOP officials saying Womp, Womp, in response to a 10 year old developmentally disabled kid being ripped from his parent

I'm not ignoring the humanity of those fleeing harm in Central America and Mexico

I'm not doing any of that. You can find all of that, just this morning.

But I will, at times, respond to it. Again, you can't support Trump and pretend he isn't what he is. You might not like getting called out on it, but there it is.

FAKE NEWS!

Trump got rid of Obama's dog kennels.

Assuming this is true then good. The narrative that he and Sessions were trying to push that they had "no choice" in the matter was nonsense. There needs to be a serious bipartisan effort to both realistically and humanely deal with those who are here and then stopping the flow of illegal immigrants and changing legal immigration for the betterment of the country both short and long term. Sadly I expect neither side to concede anything or act rationally and nothing to actually get done.

(06-20-2018 12:23 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 12:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:12 AM)shere khan Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/trump-sa...ether.html

In before dems claim larger cages.

trump solves problem he created...lol, WELL done [/rollseyes]

The talking points are coming out

if you don't like what I have to say...don't listen...I won't be offended.

(06-20-2018 12:22 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 12:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 12:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:23 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Yea but you forget they broke the law.
A plan was offered months ago and the Dems walked away just like last night.

This actually looks worse on the left because you're stomping and running away from the table isn't working.

They were induced to break the law by DJT's policy of shutting down legal entry points for asylum seekers.

A plan that encouraged hostage taking was offered. No, we aren't voting for a removal of asylum laws for women, LGBTs, and persons of color. No we aren't voting for a stupid wall. No matter how much you abuse kids in order to try to force it. DACA recipients should have a path to citizenship in the only country they've ever known.

Creating a crisis shouldn't be rewarded. Trump created this crisis. He's just trying to limit the damage. But I'm sure there will be something in it for the racist trolls he implemented this unconscionable policy in the first place.

Charlottesville
Mexicans are rapists
Muslim bans
Attacks on Transpersons
Slavish support for human rights abusers
Central Park 5
Birtherism
Attacks on the physically disabled
Support for discrimination against LGBT persons
Appointing bigots to the Federal Bench
Kizhr Khan
Support for Tony Perkins
Endorsing Roy Moore
Bragging about sexually assaulting women
Emoluments
The most corrupt Administration in US history, and its not even close.

Look, there's no 3d chess going on here. He is a crass, self serving bigot. And all of his remaining supporters can't claim that 'he really isn't like that'. You stay with him, you're endorsing everything he does now.

And there's another facet of Trumpism. He's such a selfish tool that just about everyone that helps him ends up in a worse position.

So, if he decides he can't get away with putting 3 year olds in dog kennels for the time being, that's just going to kick this down the road until the next outrage. And with his Administration largely composed of bigots, racists, grifters, and incompetents of the rankist order, its only a matter of time before another Trump created crisis develops.

Jesus dude. On some issues you offer cogent and reasonable debate. On some---you are simply too wild eyed and hate filled to even engage.

I'm not the one putting kids in dog kennels because their mother committed and induced misdemenor

I'm not celebrating GOP officials saying Womp, Womp, in response to a 10 year old developmentally disabled kid being ripped from his parent

I'm not ignoring the humanity of those fleeing harm in Central America and Mexico

I'm not doing any of that. You can find all of that, just this morning.

But I will, at times, respond to it. Again, you can't support Trump and pretend he isn't what he is. You might not like getting called out on it, but there it is.

Again, where was this outrage during past admins? Specifically, the outrage against non asylum seeking kids being put in "toddler cages"?

UNACCOMPANIED MINORS.

(06-20-2018 12:24 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 12:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 12:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:23 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Yea but you forget they broke the law.
A plan was offered months ago and the Dems walked away just like last night.

This actually looks worse on the left because you're stomping and running away from the table isn't working.

They were induced to break the law by DJT's policy of shutting down legal entry points for asylum seekers.

A plan that encouraged hostage taking was offered. No, we aren't voting for a removal of asylum laws for women, LGBTs, and persons of color. No we aren't voting for a stupid wall. No matter how much you abuse kids in order to try to force it. DACA recipients should have a path to citizenship in the only country they've ever known.

Creating a crisis shouldn't be rewarded. Trump created this crisis. He's just trying to limit the damage. But I'm sure there will be something in it for the racist trolls he implemented this unconscionable policy in the first place.

Charlottesville
Mexicans are rapists
Muslim bans
Attacks on Transpersons
Slavish support for human rights abusers
Central Park 5
Birtherism
Attacks on the physically disabled
Support for discrimination against LGBT persons
Appointing bigots to the Federal Bench
Kizhr Khan
Support for Tony Perkins
Endorsing Roy Moore
Bragging about sexually assaulting women
Emoluments
The most corrupt Administration in US history, and its not even close.

Look, there's no 3d chess going on here. He is a crass, self serving bigot. And all of his remaining supporters can't claim that 'he really isn't like that'. You stay with him, you're endorsing everything he does now.

And there's another facet of Trumpism. He's such a selfish tool that just about everyone that helps him ends up in a worse position.

So, if he decides he can't get away with putting 3 year olds in dog kennels for the time being, that's just going to kick this down the road until the next outrage. And with his Administration largely composed of bigots, racists, grifters, and incompetents of the rankist order, its only a matter of time before another Trump created crisis develops.

Jesus dude. On some issues you offer cogent and reasonable debate. On some---you are simply too wild eyed and hate filled to even engage.

I'm not the one putting kids in dog kennels because their mother committed and induced misdemenor

I'm not celebrating GOP officials saying Womp, Womp, in response to a 10 year old developmentally disabled kid being ripped from his parent

I'm not ignoring the humanity of those fleeing harm in Central America and Mexico

I'm not doing any of that. You can find all of that, just this morning.

But I will, at times, respond to it. Again, you can't support Trump and pretend he isn't what he is. You might not like getting called out on it, but there it is.

FAKE NEWS!

Trump got rid of Obama's dog kennels.

LOL. Trump is building baby internment camps. He's inducing illegal crossings by shutting down access to legal border crossings. He's trying to say that 'threat of death in the face of a concerted effort or state indifference to killings' based upon the class of person the applicant is should not be an asylum category.

Using his policy, Jews fleeing the Kristallnacht would be denied. Oh wait, we did that too. To our eternal shame. That's why we have the Immigration and Naturalization Act to prevent that from ever happening again. And Trump is trying to get rid of that law.

Trump administration SOP:
Create a crisis, so you can then 'respond' to it after the uproar becomes overwhelming, spin to say you 'fixed' it. Completely transparent BS.

Regardless, hopefully he actually follows through to stop the separation of kids from their parents.

So can we now expect that deafening popping sound of baby lips being pulled off of mothers nipples to finally cease?

(06-20-2018 12:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 12:22 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 12:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 12:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  They were induced to break the law by DJT's policy of shutting down legal entry points for asylum seekers.

A plan that encouraged hostage taking was offered. No, we aren't voting for a removal of asylum laws for women, LGBTs, and persons of color. No we aren't voting for a stupid wall. No matter how much you abuse kids in order to try to force it. DACA recipients should have a path to citizenship in the only country they've ever known.

Creating a crisis shouldn't be rewarded. Trump created this crisis. He's just trying to limit the damage. But I'm sure there will be something in it for the racist trolls he implemented this unconscionable policy in the first place.

Charlottesville
Mexicans are rapists
Muslim bans
Attacks on Transpersons
Slavish support for human rights abusers
Central Park 5
Birtherism
Attacks on the physically disabled
Support for discrimination against LGBT persons
Appointing bigots to the Federal Bench
Kizhr Khan
Support for Tony Perkins
Endorsing Roy Moore
Bragging about sexually assaulting women
Emoluments
The most corrupt Administration in US history, and its not even close.

Look, there's no 3d chess going on here. He is a crass, self serving bigot. And all of his remaining supporters can't claim that 'he really isn't like that'. You stay with him, you're endorsing everything he does now.

And there's another facet of Trumpism. He's such a selfish tool that just about everyone that helps him ends up in a worse position.

So, if he decides he can't get away with putting 3 year olds in dog kennels for the time being, that's just going to kick this down the road until the next outrage. And with his Administration largely composed of bigots, racists, grifters, and incompetents of the rankist order, its only a matter of time before another Trump created crisis develops.

Jesus dude. On some issues you offer cogent and reasonable debate. On some---you are simply too wild eyed and hate filled to even engage.

I'm not the one putting kids in dog kennels because their mother committed and induced misdemenor

I'm not celebrating GOP officials saying Womp, Womp, in response to a 10 year old developmentally disabled kid being ripped from his parent

I'm not ignoring the humanity of those fleeing harm in Central America and Mexico

I'm not doing any of that. You can find all of that, just this morning.

But I will, at times, respond to it. Again, you can't support Trump and pretend he isn't what he is. You might not like getting called out on it, but there it is.

Again, where was this outrage during past admins? Specifically, the outrage against non asylum seeking kids being put in "toddler cages"?

UNACCOMPANIED MINORS.

Semantics.

(06-20-2018 12:34 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 12:24 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 12:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 12:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  They were induced to break the law by DJT's policy of shutting down legal entry points for asylum seekers.

A plan that encouraged hostage taking was offered. No, we aren't voting for a removal of asylum laws for women, LGBTs, and persons of color. No we aren't voting for a stupid wall. No matter how much you abuse kids in order to try to force it. DACA recipients should have a path to citizenship in the only country they've ever known.

Creating a crisis shouldn't be rewarded. Trump created this crisis. He's just trying to limit the damage. But I'm sure there will be something in it for the racist trolls he implemented this unconscionable policy in the first place.

Charlottesville
Mexicans are rapists
Muslim bans
Attacks on Transpersons
Slavish support for human rights abusers
Central Park 5
Birtherism
Attacks on the physically disabled
Support for discrimination against LGBT persons
Appointing bigots to the Federal Bench
Kizhr Khan
Support for Tony Perkins
Endorsing Roy Moore
Bragging about sexually assaulting women
Emoluments
The most corrupt Administration in US history, and its not even close.

Look, there's no 3d chess going on here. He is a crass, self serving bigot. And all of his remaining supporters can't claim that 'he really isn't like that'. You stay with him, you're endorsing everything he does now.

And there's another facet of Trumpism. He's such a selfish tool that just about everyone that helps him ends up in a worse position.

So, if he decides he can't get away with putting 3 year olds in dog kennels for the time being, that's just going to kick this down the road until the next outrage. And with his Administration largely composed of bigots, racists, grifters, and incompetents of the rankist order, its only a matter of time before another Trump created crisis develops.

Jesus dude. On some issues you offer cogent and reasonable debate. On some---you are simply too wild eyed and hate filled to even engage.

I'm not the one putting kids in dog kennels because their mother committed and induced misdemenor

I'm not celebrating GOP officials saying Womp, Womp, in response to a 10 year old developmentally disabled kid being ripped from his parent

I'm not ignoring the humanity of those fleeing harm in Central America and Mexico

I'm not doing any of that. You can find all of that, just this morning.

But I will, at times, respond to it. Again, you can't support Trump and pretend he isn't what he is. You might not like getting called out on it, but there it is.

FAKE NEWS!

Trump got rid of Obama's dog kennels.

LOL. Trump is building baby internment camps. He's inducing illegal crossings by shutting down access to legal border crossings. He's trying to say that 'threat of death in the face of a concerted effort or state indifference to killings' based upon the class of person the applicant is should not be an asylum category.

Using his policy, Jews fleeing the Kristallnacht would be denied. Oh wait, we did that too. To our eternal shame. That's why we have the Immigration and Naturalization Act to prevent that from ever happening again. And Trump is trying to get rid of that law.

(06-20-2018 11:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:12 AM)shere khan Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/trump-sa...ether.html

In before dems claim larger cages.

Lets see the EO. I suspect they'll be something in it for his 4chan racist homies. But we shall see. Under no circumstances should Trump receive much credit for stopping an inhumane policy HE arbitrarily created.

for mr wall to make con-sessions seems to me a pretty big deal. he listened to the american people

The panic the backlash is causing for the hate Trump democrats is hilarious.

Please continue.

President Trump now has schumer boxed in.

The choices after 20 days is to just let everyone go (unacceptable) or a legislative fix. And schumer has already admitted that he will put politics over innocent migrant children, and will refuse to work with the Republicans on a fix.

BUCKLE UP

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The legal reality:

1) Trump CAN lawfully end separation by voluntarily re-implementing "catch and release."

2) He CANNOT lawfully end separation and maintain family detention beyond the Flores deadline.

3) Congress can GUARANTEE no separation by overriding Trump and Flores.

(06-20-2018 12:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  This "crisis" has been created by the media. It happened under Barack Obama. Even Democrat Henry Cuellar said it was swept under the rug when Obama did it.

Obama didn't create the 2014 situation. Trump CREATED the 2018 situation with his new policy of separating toddlers from parents for misdemenors, then induced lawbreaking by shutting down access to legal points of entry for asylum seekers. Obama didn't direct DHS or CBP or ICE to rip toddlers away from parents. Nor did he attempt, like Trump did, to use the suffering of kids due to his policies in order to remove protections for kids.

Again, the CBP blocking/limiting access to legal entry points is a critical point and one you've not dealt with.

Asylum seekers = border jumpers with a sad story. The majority of these people get denied and deported due to simply lying about their so-called abuses. It is now just another tactic being used to gain entry ahead of those legally in line to become citizens. Unfortunately...Now you cant separate the lairs from those with legitimate claims.

(06-20-2018 02:07 PM)Kronke Wrote:  President Trump now has schumer boxed in.

The choices after 20 days is to just let everyone go (unacceptable) or a legislative fix. And schumer has already admitted that he will put politics over innocent migrant children, and will refuse to work with the Republicans on a fix.

BUCKLE UP

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The legal reality:

1) Trump CAN lawfully end separation by voluntarily re-implementing "catch and release."

2) He CANNOT lawfully end separation and maintain family detention beyond the Flores deadline.

3) Congress can GUARANTEE no separation by overriding Trump and Flores.

More hostage taking by Trump. Kick it down the road for 20 days.

(06-20-2018 02:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 12:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  This "crisis" has been created by the media. It happened under Barack Obama. Even Democrat Henry Cuellar said it was swept under the rug when Obama did it.

Obama didn't create the 2014 situation. Trump CREATED the 2018 situation with his new policy of separating toddlers from parents for misdemenors, then induced lawbreaking by shutting down access to legal points of entry for asylum seekers. Obama didn't direct DHS or CBP or ICE to rip toddlers away from parents. Nor did he attempt, like Trump did, to use the suffering of kids due to his policies in order to remove protections for kids.

Again, the CBP blocking/limiting access to legal entry points is a critical point and one you've not dealt with.

Asylum seekers = border jumpers with a sad story. The majority of these people get denied and deported due to simply lying about their so-called abuses. It is now just another tactic being used to gain entry ahead of those legally in line to become citizens. Unfortunately...Now you cant separate the lairs from those with legitimate claims.

Noting but leaving aside your blatent disregard for the humanity of asylum seekers, the Immigration and Naturalization Act says differently.

(06-20-2018 02:20 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 02:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 12:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  This "crisis" has been created by the media. It happened under Barack Obama. Even Democrat Henry Cuellar said it was swept under the rug when Obama did it.

Obama didn't create the 2014 situation. Trump CREATED the 2018 situation with his new policy of separating toddlers from parents for misdemenors, then induced lawbreaking by shutting down access to legal points of entry for asylum seekers. Obama didn't direct DHS or CBP or ICE to rip toddlers away from parents. Nor did he attempt, like Trump did, to use the suffering of kids due to his policies in order to remove protections for kids.

Again, the CBP blocking/limiting access to legal entry points is a critical point and one you've not dealt with.

Asylum seekers = border jumpers with a sad story. The majority of these people get denied and deported due to simply lying about their so-called abuses. It is now just another tactic being used to gain entry ahead of those legally in line to become citizens. Unfortunately...Now you cant separate the lairs from those with legitimate claims.

Noting but leaving aside your blatent disregard for the humanity of asylum seekers, the Immigration and Naturalization Act says differently.

Lol

Watching CNN, and they literally don't have an argument.

President Trump just ended family separation, and all they can say is that he didn't need to do that. Well, he just did, and you no longer have a reason to be outraged. Now what? Are you now going to argue that families together should just be allowed to enter the interior of the country after 20 days? Nope, unacceptable. Congress should do their job. What will you say when 51 Republicans are on board and schumer refuses to vote for it, or worse yet, filibusters innocent children?

Checkmate.