JMUDunk
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Trump to sign order to keep illegal immigrant fams together
(06-20-2018 10:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote: (06-20-2018 06:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (06-20-2018 05:42 PM)tigergreen Wrote: (06-20-2018 05:00 PM)shere khan Wrote: (06-20-2018 04:52 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: What are the odds a leftwinger sues Trump for exceeding his authority on this EO?
That is the next chess move. Force cryin chucks hand
I think it’s going to go the other way - the court will step in & declare it a violation of the Flora decision, the EO will get reversed, & Trump will just say that the judge is “forcing” him to keep separating families (which is, of course, BS - he could have them drop the zero tolerance policy at any point).
So you just want to drop all pretense of maintaining a border and let anybody in?
If not, then how do you distinguish your position from that?
Dropping zero tolerance does not equate with an open border. Or, keep “zero tolerance” but stop the practice of charging them with criminal offenses. Keep the families together.
Sure thing.
Family passes on the bus back south.
All together, one! Go!
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stinkfist
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RE: Trump to sign order to keep illegal immigrant fams together
(06-22-2018 09:40 AM)JMUDunk Wrote: (06-20-2018 10:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote: (06-20-2018 06:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (06-20-2018 05:42 PM)tigergreen Wrote: (06-20-2018 05:00 PM)shere khan Wrote: That is the next chess move. Force cryin chucks hand
I think it’s going to go the other way - the court will step in & declare it a violation of the Flora decision, the EO will get reversed, & Trump will just say that the judge is “forcing” him to keep separating families (which is, of course, BS - he could have them drop the zero tolerance policy at any point).
So you just want to drop all pretense of maintaining a border and let anybody in?
If not, then how do you distinguish your position from that?
Dropping zero tolerance does not equate with an open border. Or, keep “zero tolerance” but stop the practice of charging them with criminal offenses. Keep the families together.
Sure thing.
Family passes on the bus back south.
All together, one! Go!
the Miquels can row that boat ashore both ways, eh?
disclaimer: I'm a Michael.....
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06-22-2018 09:43 AM |
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JMUDunk
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Trump to sign order to keep illegal immigrant fams together
(06-21-2018 10:45 AM)tigergreen Wrote: (06-21-2018 07:44 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: (06-20-2018 10:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote: (06-20-2018 06:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (06-20-2018 05:42 PM)tigergreen Wrote: I think it’s going to go the other way - the court will step in & declare it a violation of the Flora decision, the EO will get reversed, & Trump will just say that the judge is “forcing” him to keep separating families (which is, of course, BS - he could have them drop the zero tolerance policy at any point).
So you just want to drop all pretense of maintaining a border and let anybody in?
If not, then how do you distinguish your position from that?
Dropping zero tolerance does not equate with an open border. Or, keep “zero tolerance” but stop the practice of charging them with criminal offenses. Keep the families together.
You do understand the nature of crime and punishment, correct? You're advocating to allow a certain element to break the law without consequence. Wow.
Hell, I want to rob a bank, could you form a movement that supports my efforts in doing that and urges that I not be charged when caught?
misdemeanor vs. felony = a civil vs. criminal charge.
So?
What are they doing here?
Go home, you weren’t invited.
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RE: Trump to sign order to keep illegal immigrant fams together
A girl I went to HS with just proved today that Liberals can not and will not be satisfied on this topic until there are open borders.
1) For the past week, she has been posting 12-15 times a day about how terrible it is that the children are being RIPPED from their parents, kept in cages, etc.
2) When Trump signed the EO, the FIRST thing she did was post an article about the US withdrawing from the UN Human Rights Council and said "OMFG the familes will be together, but in what kind of conditions?!?!" (Had a good chuckle at that one.)
3) And when it was all said and done... she posts a picture of some Native American-looking gal with a t-shirt that says "No one is illegal on stolen land."
...to which she gave an "AMEN"...
There you have it.
Open borders. It's not really our country, anyway.
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06-22-2018 09:47 AM |
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JMUDunk
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Trump to sign order to keep illegal immigrant fams together
(06-21-2018 10:49 AM)tigergreen Wrote: (06-21-2018 07:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: Hypothetical. Family shows up at the border with no documents. What happens to them under your proposed approach, and how does that differ from 1) zero tolerance and 2) open borders?
The adults have the misdemeanor illegal entry charge, & the family is kept together in a detention center to await their hearing, as opposed to splitting the kids away from the parents & sending parents to federal jail when they get a felony charge. It's not ideal, but the kids aren't removed from them.
Do we afford American citizen parents and kids the same privileges?
Go get a dui. Yes, a misdemeanor.
You won’t be separated from your alleged “family”?
You people are nuts.
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Owl 69/70/75
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RE: Trump to sign order to keep illegal immigrant fams together
(06-21-2018 10:49 AM)tigergreen Wrote: (06-21-2018 07:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: Hypothetical. Family shows up at the border with no documents. What happens to them under your proposed approach, and how does that differ from 1) zero tolerance and 2) open borders?
The adults have the misdemeanor illegal entry charge, & the family is kept together in a detention center to await their hearing, as opposed to splitting the kids away from the parents & sending parents to federal jail when they get a felony charge. It's not ideal, but the kids aren't removed from them.
You understand that until Trump's executive order, that was illegal, right? And Trump's EO is probably illegal.
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06-22-2018 09:51 AM |
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stinkfist
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RE: Trump to sign order to keep illegal immigrant fams together
If the borders are open, our military and DEA should flood the country of Mexico. If the Mexican Govt were honest, they would admit to the world that they are inept. Who argues that their country is not worth living in? Who elects a President that fights for its population to leave? What a sad, sad country. America should take control of Mexico and put another star on the flag. More kneelers.
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stinkfist
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RE: Trump to sign order to keep illegal immigrant fams together
(06-22-2018 10:01 AM)Dasville Wrote: If the borders are open, our military and DEA should flood the country of Mexico. If the Mexican Govt were honest, they would admit to the world that they are inept. Who argues that their country is not worth living in? Who elects a President that fights for its population to leave? What a sad, sad country. America should take control of Mexico and put another star on the flag. More kneelers.
why they didn't conquer to the southern baja was as dumba as the rooskies handing us Alaska.....
all ya had to do was choke it down the narrow....
nah.....
(This post was last modified: 06-22-2018 10:23 AM by stinkfist.)
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RE: Trump to sign order to keep illegal immigrant fams together
(06-20-2018 02:58 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: For the record, Brazil, Colombia, Peru and Chile have accepted MILLIONS of asylum seekers each this year alone. Costa Rica's population is 30% foreign born. Panama has more than our share (far more) of asylum refugees. The USA is far, far, far closer to Central America than Uruguay or Argentina.
except that your numbers are made up bull-hocky. Brazil is talking about how their numbers are WAY up... over 40,000 this year. Peru? around 10k? Chile took in 1,700 in 2017, but I'm sure it has ballooned to millions this year.
but hey, if it fits your narrative make up all the chat you want, rational people are laughing at you anyway.
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RE: Trump to sign order to keep illegal immigrant fams together
(06-22-2018 01:28 PM)Oman Wrote: (06-20-2018 02:58 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: For the record, Brazil, Colombia, Peru and Chile have accepted MILLIONS of asylum seekers each this year alone. Costa Rica's population is 30% foreign born. Panama has more than our share (far more) of asylum refugees. The USA is far, far, far closer to Central America than Uruguay or Argentina.
except that your numbers are made up bull-hocky. Brazil is talking about how their numbers are WAY up... over 40,000 this year. Peru? around 10k? Chile took in 1,700 in 2017, but I'm sure it has ballooned to millions this year.
but hey, if it fits your narrative make up all the chat you want, rational people are laughing at you anyway.
That was LazyTom that said that, not me.
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