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(06-19-2018 03:50 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Benefits I can think of quickly that do not deal solely with profitability: providing a route to an elite higher education for many athletes, creation of community via a common element, exposure (as you mention), community outreach (look at how much volunteering our student athletes have done), alumni connection

My point is we can evaluate who well our athletics department is doing to achieve those goals, and if the costs are worth our achievements. But how profitable our athletic department is, is not a worthwhile metric, IMO, because there are numerous goals that don’t explicitly bring in revenue.

"and if the costs are worth our achievements" - this is directly related to revenue generation. In my earlier posts i stated operating programs, departments etc. makes sense if they generate money OR have widespread benefit. Judging by our tiny amount of ticket sales, this fits neither - not making money AND no one cares about the end product. Which results in weighing the benefit for a small group of people with a huge fiscal hole.

The above things you mentioned, elite higher education for many athletes, creation of community via a common element, exposure (as you mention), community outreach (look at how much volunteering our student athletes have done), alumni connection are all doable at or better than we are doing now at the Division 3 level. think what else we could have done than throw 8 million USD to one individual to lose more Football games than we won in front of a handful of people or have Rick Greenspan enrich his family on the Rice budget. Now scale that to a quarter billion.

The market has spoken here. Chasing this is like trying to bring back coal long term (not happening). And the 300 million over the next decade spent... thats lost opportunity cost by the BOT.
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(06-19-2018 08:15 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(06-19-2018 03:50 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Benefits I can think of quickly that do not deal solely with profitability: providing a route to an elite higher education for many athletes, creation of community via a common element, exposure (as you mention), community outreach (look at how much volunteering our student athletes have done), alumni connection

My point is we can evaluate who well our athletics department is doing to achieve those goals, and if the costs are worth our achievements. But how profitable our athletic department is, is not a worthwhile metric, IMO, because there are numerous goals that don’t explicitly bring in revenue.

"and if the costs are worth our achievements" - this is directly related to revenue generation. In my earlier posts i stated operating programs, departments etc. makes sense if they generate money OR have widespread benefit. Judging by our tiny amount of ticket sales, this fits neither - not making money AND no one cares about the end product. Which results in weighing the benefit for a small group of people with a huge fiscal hole.

The above things you mentioned, elite higher education for many athletes, creation of community via a common element, exposure (as you mention), community outreach (look at how much volunteering our student athletes have done), alumni connection are all doable at or better than we are doing now at the Division 3 level. think what else we could have done than throw 8 million USD to one individual to lose more Football games than we won in front of a handful of people. Now scale that to a quarter billion.

The market has spoken here. Chasing this is like trying to bring back coal long term (not happening)

Then why are you on a Rice sports board? You aren’t going to convince anyone here of the benefits of dropping athletics with your airplane analogies. In the south you have to have FBS football and D3 won’t cut it. Someone from Boston just can’t understand that I guess? Since we are going to do it we should be doing it right and the “profitability” of it isn’t an issue.
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(06-19-2018 08:20 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(06-19-2018 08:15 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(06-19-2018 03:50 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Benefits I can think of quickly that do not deal solely with profitability: providing a route to an elite higher education for many athletes, creation of community via a common element, exposure (as you mention), community outreach (look at how much volunteering our student athletes have done), alumni connection

My point is we can evaluate who well our athletics department is doing to achieve those goals, and if the costs are worth our achievements. But how profitable our athletic department is, is not a worthwhile metric, IMO, because there are numerous goals that don’t explicitly bring in revenue.

"and if the costs are worth our achievements" - this is directly related to revenue generation. In my earlier posts i stated operating programs, departments etc. makes sense if they generate money OR have widespread benefit. Judging by our tiny amount of ticket sales, this fits neither - not making money AND no one cares about the end product. Which results in weighing the benefit for a small group of people with a huge fiscal hole.

The above things you mentioned, elite higher education for many athletes, creation of community via a common element, exposure (as you mention), community outreach (look at how much volunteering our student athletes have done), alumni connection are all doable at or better than we are doing now at the Division 3 level. think what else we could have done than throw 8 million USD to one individual to lose more Football games than we won in front of a handful of people. Now scale that to a quarter billion.

The market has spoken here. Chasing this is like trying to bring back coal long term (not happening)

Then why are you on a Rice sports board? You aren’t going to convince anyone here of the benefits of dropping athletics with your airplane analogies.In the south you have to have FBS football and D3 won’t cut it. Someone from Boston just can’t understand that I guess? Since we are going to do it we should be doing it right and the “profitability” of it isn’t an issue.

Trying to tie this back to Boston makes no sense. I fully understand it. I am asserting you are wrong. The stands are empty.. clearly having D1 athletics isn't a key factor for anyone here except a handful of people and the powers that be who are in control. You can keep asserting that it matters, but the reality is very different.

People did question why Smisek's United was running an EWR-CAE flight.. sometimes questioning odd uses of money isn't a bad thing.
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Another example: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2014...-want.html

Congress keeps blindly pushing tanks that no one wants. The students, public, alums etc. Have voted with their feet. You are insisting that we must keep building tanks. Just because we always have had tanks. The world has changed but we must keep age old traditions that clearly no one is clamoring for.

Must be because of the south or whatever (see how silly that sounds)
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(06-19-2018 08:20 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(06-19-2018 08:15 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(06-19-2018 03:50 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Benefits I can think of quickly that do not deal solely with profitability: providing a route to an elite higher education for many athletes, creation of community via a common element, exposure (as you mention), community outreach (look at how much volunteering our student athletes have done), alumni connection

My point is we can evaluate who well our athletics department is doing to achieve those goals, and if the costs are worth our achievements. But how profitable our athletic department is, is not a worthwhile metric, IMO, because there are numerous goals that don’t explicitly bring in revenue.

"and if the costs are worth our achievements" - this is directly related to revenue generation. In my earlier posts i stated operating programs, departments etc. makes sense if they generate money OR have widespread benefit. Judging by our tiny amount of ticket sales, this fits neither - not making money AND no one cares about the end product. Which results in weighing the benefit for a small group of people with a huge fiscal hole.

The above things you mentioned, elite higher education for many athletes, creation of community via a common element, exposure (as you mention), community outreach (look at how much volunteering our student athletes have done), alumni connection are all doable at or better than we are doing now at the Division 3 level. think what else we could have done than throw 8 million USD to one individual to lose more Football games than we won in front of a handful of people. Now scale that to a quarter billion.

The market has spoken here. Chasing this is like trying to bring back coal long term (not happening)

Then why are you on a Rice sports board? You aren’t going to convince anyone here of the benefits of dropping athletics with your airplane analogies. In the south you have to have FBS football and D3 won’t cut it. Someone from Boston just can’t understand that I guess? Since we are going to do it we should be doing it right and the “profitability” of it isn’t an issue.

Well, FYI, there are plenty of us here who are skeptical about the value of FBS football for Rice. But I'll enjoy it while we have it.
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Without FBS football, or D-1 basketball, a D-1 athletic program is pretty much out of the realm of possibility fir Rice. There would seem to be only two viable options--do it right, or don't do it. Rice has persisted in trying to make a third option out of do it half assed for 50 years. It's not there.

So step up to the plate or go D-3.
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(06-19-2018 08:15 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(06-19-2018 03:50 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Benefits I can think of quickly that do not deal solely with profitability: providing a route to an elite higher education for many athletes, creation of community via a common element, exposure (as you mention), community outreach (look at how much volunteering our student athletes have done), alumni connection

My point is we can evaluate who well our athletics department is doing to achieve those goals, and if the costs are worth our achievements. But how profitable our athletic department is, is not a worthwhile metric, IMO, because there are numerous goals that don’t explicitly bring in revenue.

"and if the costs are worth our achievements" - this is directly related to revenue generation. In my earlier posts i stated operating programs, departments etc. makes sense if they generate money OR have widespread benefit. Judging by our tiny amount of ticket sales, this fits neither - not making money AND no one cares about the end product. Which results in weighing the benefit for a small group of people with a huge fiscal hole.

The above things you mentioned, elite higher education for many athletes, creation of community via a common element, exposure (as you mention), community outreach (look at how much volunteering our student athletes have done), alumni connection are all doable at or better than we are doing now at the Division 3 level. think what else we could have done than throw 8 million USD to one individual to lose more Football games than we won in front of a handful of people or have Rick Greenspan enrich his family on the Rice budget. Now scale that to a quarter billion.

The market has spoken here. Chasing this is like trying to bring back coal long term (not happening). And the 300 million over the next decade spent... thats lost opportunity cost by the BOT.

Actually, D3 would not allow for the first benefit - no scholarships in D3...
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Just be a community college. Rice could save a lot of money.
(06-19-2018 10:37 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Without FBS football, or D-1 basketball, a D-1 athletic program is pretty much out of the realm of possibility fir Rice. There would seem to be only two viable options--do it right, or don't do it. Rice has persisted in trying to make a third option out of do it half assed for 50 years. It's not there.

So step up to the plate or go D-3.
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(06-19-2018 10:51 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-19-2018 08:15 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(06-19-2018 03:50 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Benefits I can think of quickly that do not deal solely with profitability: providing a route to an elite higher education for many athletes, creation of community via a common element, exposure (as you mention), community outreach (look at how much volunteering our student athletes have done), alumni connection

My point is we can evaluate who well our athletics department is doing to achieve those goals, and if the costs are worth our achievements. But how profitable our athletic department is, is not a worthwhile metric, IMO, because there are numerous goals that don’t explicitly bring in revenue.

"and if the costs are worth our achievements" - this is directly related to revenue generation. In my earlier posts i stated operating programs, departments etc. makes sense if they generate money OR have widespread benefit. Judging by our tiny amount of ticket sales, this fits neither - not making money AND no one cares about the end product. Which results in weighing the benefit for a small group of people with a huge fiscal hole.

The above things you mentioned, elite higher education for many athletes, creation of community via a common element, exposure (as you mention), community outreach (look at how much volunteering our student athletes have done), alumni connection are all doable at or better than we are doing now at the Division 3 level. think what else we could have done than throw 8 million USD to one individual to lose more Football games than we won in front of a handful of people or have Rick Greenspan enrich his family on the Rice budget. Now scale that to a quarter billion.

The market has spoken here. Chasing this is like trying to bring back coal long term (not happening). And the 300 million over the next decade spent... thats lost opportunity cost by the BOT.

Actually, D3 would not allow for the first benefit - no scholarships in D3...

D3 Athletes are eligible for academic scholarships along with other non-athletes. Elite higher education for athletes is achieved with this, as described.
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(06-19-2018 10:37 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Without FBS football, or D-1 basketball, a D-1 athletic program is pretty much out of the realm of possibility fir Rice. There would seem to be only two viable options--do it right, or don't do it. Rice has persisted in trying to make a third option out of do it half assed for 50 years. It's not there.

So step up to the plate or go D-3.

The issue is, there are now two options- D3 or stay as we are. By choosing the do nothing option for 50 years (with accelerated choice of failure in the last decade), the potential for any form of revenue is gone. Rice make 1/100th of a SEC school in TV revenue and revenue sharing now.

So fixing it requires the BOT to throw 100 million a year at athletics. Since this is not going to happen, fixing it is impossible. The handful of fans that Rice and the powers that be havent chased off are over 60 years old for the most part, so there isnt a next wave coming to tide over this ever decreasing revenue. The result is an ever widening revenue gap which means Rice falls further behind.

What likely happens is nothing. 23 million keeps some influential people happy, keeps the pretenses that we are D1; Rice makes motion, calls it action, builds a new roosts like things while the majority of students, alums etc. Dont really care. As no one seems to hold the Leebron, the Athletics Department or the BOT accountable for lost opportunity cost (or seemingly anything : http://www.ricethresher.org/article/2016...estigation ), the politically easier and more tenable solution is to do nothing.
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(06-19-2018 11:37 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(06-19-2018 10:51 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-19-2018 08:15 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(06-19-2018 03:50 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Benefits I can think of quickly that do not deal solely with profitability: providing a route to an elite higher education for many athletes, creation of community via a common element, exposure (as you mention), community outreach (look at how much volunteering our student athletes have done), alumni connection

My point is we can evaluate who well our athletics department is doing to achieve those goals, and if the costs are worth our achievements. But how profitable our athletic department is, is not a worthwhile metric, IMO, because there are numerous goals that don’t explicitly bring in revenue.

"and if the costs are worth our achievements" - this is directly related to revenue generation. In my earlier posts i stated operating programs, departments etc. makes sense if they generate money OR have widespread benefit. Judging by our tiny amount of ticket sales, this fits neither - not making money AND no one cares about the end product. Which results in weighing the benefit for a small group of people with a huge fiscal hole.

The above things you mentioned, elite higher education for many athletes, creation of community via a common element, exposure (as you mention), community outreach (look at how much volunteering our student athletes have done), alumni connection are all doable at or better than we are doing now at the Division 3 level. think what else we could have done than throw 8 million USD to one individual to lose more Football games than we won in front of a handful of people or have Rick Greenspan enrich his family on the Rice budget. Now scale that to a quarter billion.

The market has spoken here. Chasing this is like trying to bring back coal long term (not happening). And the 300 million over the next decade spent... thats lost opportunity cost by the BOT.

Actually, D3 would not allow for the first benefit - no scholarships in D3...

D3 Athletes are eligible for academic scholarships along with other non-athletes. Elite higher education for athletes is achieved with this, as described.

I don’t see the logic here. With D-1 athletics, scholarships tied to athletic participation provide players who couldn’t afford to go to Rice an avenue to do so. With D-3, academics would provide that avenue, meaning that the athletes wouldn’t need to rely on their athletic participation for a scholarship. So, no, D-3 would not provide many of our athletes the ability to receive a higher education. Let’s be honest, a large portion of our student body in general don’t receive academic scholarships, and I doubt a large portion of our athletic community would as well.

But I do think the discussion of dropping to D3 is relevant and much more appropriate than whether the athletic department is profitable.
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Before doing anything about the D1/D3 debate, the university needs to wait and see if there is a breakup within the P5.
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(06-20-2018 07:06 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Before doing anything about the D1/D3 debate, the university needs to wait and see if there is a breakup within the P5.

This is a good point. If there is a splintering and consolidation of the big boys, it will be interesting to see what the fall out is for the >50% of the other D1 football programs that I imagine won't get the call up.

I wonder if there are actually conversations within the AD or BOT about possibly dropping to D3.
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(06-20-2018 07:06 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Before doing anything about the D1/D3 debate, the university needs to wait and see if there is a breakup within the P5.

This is a good point. If there is a splintering and consolidation of the big boys, it will be interesting to see what the fall out is for the >50% of the other D1 football programs that I imagine won't get the call up.

I wonder if there are actually conversations within the AD or BOT about possibly dropping to D3.

Our best hope at this point is the schools that don’t actually care about academics (Clemson, Bama, Auburn, FSU etc) decide to pay their players and drop the sham of “student athletes” who can’t read above a middle school level. 20 of them become a NFL minor league and everyone else (I believe Stanford, ND, etc are in the everyone else boat) split off and make college athletics more like it was 30 years ago.
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(06-20-2018 07:57 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 07:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 07:06 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Before doing anything about the D1/D3 debate, the university needs to wait and see if there is a breakup within the P5.

This is a good point. If there is a splintering and consolidation of the big boys, it will be interesting to see what the fall out is for the >50% of the other D1 football programs that I imagine won't get the call up.

I wonder if there are actually conversations within the AD or BOT about possibly dropping to D3.

Our best hope at this point is the schools that don’t actually care about academics (Clemson, Bama, Auburn, FSU etc) decide to pay their players and drop the sham of “student athletes” who can’t read above a middle school level. 20 of them become a NFL minor league and everyone else (I believe Stanford, ND, etc are in the everyone else boat) split off and make college athletics more like it was 30 years ago.

Ahh yes get the broadest brush you can find to paint over all the football players at top football schools. You are suggesting our best hope is for college sports as we know them to completely destroy amateurism. I think I would rather Rice athletics disappear altogether before that happens.
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(06-20-2018 07:06 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Before doing anything about the D1/D3 debate, the university needs to wait and see if there is a breakup within the P5.

This is a good point. If there is a splintering and consolidation of the big boys, it will be interesting to see what the fall out is for the >50% of the other D1 football programs that I imagine won't get the call up.

I wonder if there are actually conversations within the AD or BOT about possibly dropping to D3.

Our best hope at this point is the schools that don’t actually care about academics (Clemson, Bama, Auburn, FSU etc) decide to pay their players and drop the sham of “student athletes” who can’t read above a middle school level. 20 of them become a NFL minor league and everyone else (I believe Stanford, ND, etc are in the everyone else boat) split off and make college athletics more like it was 30 years ago.

Ahh yes get the broadest brush you can find to paint over all the football players at top football schools. You are suggesting our best hope is for college sports as we know them to completely destroy amateurism. I think I would rather Rice athletics disappear altogether before that happens.

No... I’m saying that will officially happen at the 20+ schools who already destroyed amateurism. The rest of the time universities like Rice will remain as amateur athletics.
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(06-20-2018 09:00 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 08:34 AM)esposito Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 07:57 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 07:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 07:06 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Before doing anything about the D1/D3 debate, the university needs to wait and see if there is a breakup within the P5.

This is a good point. If there is a splintering and consolidation of the big boys, it will be interesting to see what the fall out is for the >50% of the other D1 football programs that I imagine won't get the call up.

I wonder if there are actually conversations within the AD or BOT about possibly dropping to D3.

Our best hope at this point is the schools that don’t actually care about academics (Clemson, Bama, Auburn, FSU etc) decide to pay their players and drop the sham of “student athletes” who can’t read above a middle school level. 20 of them become a NFL minor league and everyone else (I believe Stanford, ND, etc are in the everyone else boat) split off and make college athletics more like it was 30 years ago.

Ahh yes get the broadest brush you can find to paint over all the football players at top football schools. You are suggesting our best hope is for college sports as we know them to completely destroy amateurism. I think I would rather Rice athletics disappear altogether before that happens.

No... I’m saying that will officially happen at the 20+ schools who already destroyed amateurism. The rest of the time universities like Rice will remain as amateur athletics.

They have not destroyed amateurism. "Universities like Rice" are well below the average in college athletics. Football is often outside of the 100s and within one of the 5 worst teams in D1. Also saying you wish it was more like it was 30 years ago...you mean when teams like SMU were getting busted for paying players and Miami was getting players strippers and drugs? Yeah the glory days. It is a lot cleaner now and if they only way to get Rice competitive again is to get the top competition out then like I said we should just get rid of our athletics.
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(06-19-2018 10:37 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Without FBS football, or D-1 basketball, a D-1 athletic program is pretty much out of the realm of possibility fir Rice. There would seem to be only two viable options--do it right, or don't do it. Rice has persisted in trying to make a third option out of do it half assed for 50 years. It's not there.

So step up to the plate or go D-3.

BINGO. As Yoda said "Do or do not, there is no try".
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(06-19-2018 11:37 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
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(06-19-2018 03:50 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Benefits I can think of quickly that do not deal solely with profitability: providing a route to an elite higher education for many athletes, creation of community via a common element, exposure (as you mention), community outreach (look at how much volunteering our student athletes have done), alumni connection

My point is we can evaluate who well our athletics department is doing to achieve those goals, and if the costs are worth our achievements. But how profitable our athletic department is, is not a worthwhile metric, IMO, because there are numerous goals that don’t explicitly bring in revenue.

"and if the costs are worth our achievements" - this is directly related to revenue generation. In my earlier posts i stated operating programs, departments etc. makes sense if they generate money OR have widespread benefit. Judging by our tiny amount of ticket sales, this fits neither - not making money AND no one cares about the end product. Which results in weighing the benefit for a small group of people with a huge fiscal hole.

The above things you mentioned, elite higher education for many athletes, creation of community via a common element, exposure (as you mention), community outreach (look at how much volunteering our student athletes have done), alumni connection are all doable at or better than we are doing now at the Division 3 level. think what else we could have done than throw 8 million USD to one individual to lose more Football games than we won in front of a handful of people or have Rick Greenspan enrich his family on the Rice budget. Now scale that to a quarter billion.

The market has spoken here. Chasing this is like trying to bring back coal long term (not happening). And the 300 million over the next decade spent... thats lost opportunity cost by the BOT.

Actually, D3 would not allow for the first benefit - no scholarships in D3...

D3 Athletes are eligible for academic scholarships along with other non-athletes. Elite higher education for athletes is achieved with this, as described.

A lot of D3 schools actually use athletics as a recruiting tool so those without quite the level of d1 skill can continue their glory. But they get to pay for that privilege. Southwestern and Hendrix both did that within the last 5 years by adding football.....

I think I solved it, go D3 and Rice athletics become a profit center!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: where does Rice athletics $s come from
(06-20-2018 09:39 AM)esposito Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 09:00 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  
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(06-20-2018 07:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  This is a good point. If there is a splintering and consolidation of the big boys, it will be interesting to see what the fall out is for the >50% of the other D1 football programs that I imagine won't get the call up.

I wonder if there are actually conversations within the AD or BOT about possibly dropping to D3.

Our best hope at this point is the schools that don’t actually care about academics (Clemson, Bama, Auburn, FSU etc) decide to pay their players and drop the sham of “student athletes” who can’t read above a middle school level. 20 of them become a NFL minor league and everyone else (I believe Stanford, ND, etc are in the everyone else boat) split off and make college athletics more like it was 30 years ago.

Ahh yes get the broadest brush you can find to paint over all the football players at top football schools. You are suggesting our best hope is for college sports as we know them to completely destroy amateurism. I think I would rather Rice athletics disappear altogether before that happens.

No... I’m saying that will officially happen at the 20+ schools who already destroyed amateurism. The rest of the time universities like Rice will remain as amateur athletics.

They have not destroyed amateurism. "Universities like Rice" are well below the average in college athletics. Football is often outside of the 100s and within one of the 5 worst teams in D1. Also saying you wish it was more like it was 30 years ago...you mean when teams like SMU were getting busted for paying players and Miami was getting players strippers and drugs? Yeah the glory days. It is a lot cleaner now and if they only way to get Rice competitive again is to get the top competition out then like I said we should just get rid of our athletics.

You think players aren’t paid now? The amount of $ thrown around college athletics now makes 30 years ago look like pennies. The players at schools like Bama don’t go to class. Trust me I know plenty of people from my HS who went there and were in the classes athletes “attended”. Basketball is also a complete sham for the star players (see Ben Simmons or anyone at UNC). We won’t compete with those guys ever because that’s not amateur athletics.

So I see 2 options:
1) they get their way and pay athletes. Athletes don’t have to pretend to “play school”. Rice isn’t going to do that.
2) tv contracts implode and the $ isn’t there anymore. Universities decide that amateur athletics are the proper mission for student athletes.

In my opinions 1 is way more likely.
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