(06-18-2018 09:28 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:04 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:58 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:50 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Why would they be applying for asylum? I mean when the counties were called sh*tholes everyone spoke up and rebuked it. So if it's not a bad area or there's no issues, why ask for asylum? And please answer the question instead of veering into whataboutism.

I can't help but wonder about the logistics. If you so desperately needed asylum from Honduras (apparently per tom, Honduras is the big problem), there's NO WHERE you could find it other than 2,500 miles away? Guatemala no good? Belize? Mexico? Everyone is our responsibility, huh?

This is also actually humoring the idea and assuming that everyone coming is "seeking asylum", which is obviously nonsense and has been debunked by Sec. Nielsen.

Why not walk to the US embassy in Tegucigalpa to apply for asylum? That would have to be a shorter, and less dangerous trip than walking 2500 miles to the US border.

This whole asylum argument is a joke.

Because you don't get to see a judge at the US Embassy. Here's one case. Russia has murdered dozens of LGBT persons in concentration camps in Southern Russia. Those internally fleeing that pogrom have also been murdered in Moscow. But the US Department of State under the leadership of Donald Trump has automatically refused all asylum applications from refugees from actual death camps. At the embassy, there's no appeal to a judge. At the border, there is.

Maybe we could just bring them from the Russian concentration camps to the ones Trump is building?

(06-18-2018 09:43 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:28 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:04 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:58 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:50 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Why would they be applying for asylum? I mean when the counties were called sh*tholes everyone spoke up and rebuked it. So if it's not a bad area or there's no issues, why ask for asylum? And please answer the question instead of veering into whataboutism.

I can't help but wonder about the logistics. If you so desperately needed asylum from Honduras (apparently per tom, Honduras is the big problem), there's NO WHERE you could find it other than 2,500 miles away? Guatemala no good? Belize? Mexico? Everyone is our responsibility, huh?

This is also actually humoring the idea and assuming that everyone coming is "seeking asylum", which is obviously nonsense and has been debunked by Sec. Nielsen.

Why not walk to the US embassy in Tegucigalpa to apply for asylum? That would have to be a shorter, and less dangerous trip than walking 2500 miles to the US border.

This whole asylum argument is a joke.

Because you don't get to see a judge at the US Embassy. Here's one case. Russia has murdered dozens of LGBT persons in concentration camps in Southern Russia. Those internally fleeing that pogrom have also been murdered in Moscow. But the US Department of State under the leadership of Donald Trump has automatically refused all asylum applications from refugees from actual death camps. At the embassy, there's no appeal to a judge. At the border, there is.

Maybe we could just bring them from the Russian concentration camps to the ones Trump is building?

Looking at the pictures above, they'll like ours better than Vlad's, guaranteed!

(06-18-2018 09:42 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Actually, under the policy enacted in April Tom, it is illegal to cross the border even if you are seeking asylum. So it is against the law to do it at the border.

http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-i...order.html

There's no requirement to separate kids from parents for asylum. The separation is an elective policy, deliberately calculated for the express purpose of retaliating against non-white persons who apply for asylum.

(06-18-2018 09:43 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:28 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:04 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:58 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:50 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Why would they be applying for asylum? I mean when the counties were called sh*tholes everyone spoke up and rebuked it. So if it's not a bad area or there's no issues, why ask for asylum? And please answer the question instead of veering into whataboutism.

I can't help but wonder about the logistics. If you so desperately needed asylum from Honduras (apparently per tom, Honduras is the big problem), there's NO WHERE you could find it other than 2,500 miles away? Guatemala no good? Belize? Mexico? Everyone is our responsibility, huh?

This is also actually humoring the idea and assuming that everyone coming is "seeking asylum", which is obviously nonsense and has been debunked by Sec. Nielsen.

Why not walk to the US embassy in Tegucigalpa to apply for asylum? That would have to be a shorter, and less dangerous trip than walking 2500 miles to the US border.

This whole asylum argument is a joke.

Because you don't get to see a judge at the US Embassy. Here's one case. Russia has murdered dozens of LGBT persons in concentration camps in Southern Russia. Those internally fleeing that pogrom have also been murdered in Moscow. But the US Department of State under the leadership of Donald Trump has automatically refused all asylum applications from refugees from actual death camps. At the embassy, there's no appeal to a judge. At the border, there is.

Maybe we could just bring them from the Russian concentration camps to the ones Trump is building?

I thought you guys didn't want gays around kids?

(06-18-2018 09:47 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:43 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:28 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:04 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:58 AM)Kronke Wrote:  I can't help but wonder about the logistics. If you so desperately needed asylum from Honduras (apparently per tom, Honduras is the big problem), there's NO WHERE you could find it other than 2,500 miles away? Guatemala no good? Belize? Mexico? Everyone is our responsibility, huh?

This is also actually humoring the idea and assuming that everyone coming is "seeking asylum", which is obviously nonsense and has been debunked by Sec. Nielsen.

Why not walk to the US embassy in Tegucigalpa to apply for asylum? That would have to be a shorter, and less dangerous trip than walking 2500 miles to the US border.

This whole asylum argument is a joke.

Because you don't get to see a judge at the US Embassy. Here's one case. Russia has murdered dozens of LGBT persons in concentration camps in Southern Russia. Those internally fleeing that pogrom have also been murdered in Moscow. But the US Department of State under the leadership of Donald Trump has automatically refused all asylum applications from refugees from actual death camps. At the embassy, there's no appeal to a judge. At the border, there is.

Maybe we could just bring them from the Russian concentration camps to the ones Trump is building?

I thought you guys didn't want gays around kids?

Kids are far safer around Gays than around Trump's officials or many of his 'evangelical' supporters. That is clear at this point

(06-18-2018 09:48 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:47 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:43 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:28 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:04 AM)appst89 Wrote:  Why not walk to the US embassy in Tegucigalpa to apply for asylum? That would have to be a shorter, and less dangerous trip than walking 2500 miles to the US border.

This whole asylum argument is a joke.

Because you don't get to see a judge at the US Embassy. Here's one case. Russia has murdered dozens of LGBT persons in concentration camps in Southern Russia. Those internally fleeing that pogrom have also been murdered in Moscow. But the US Department of State under the leadership of Donald Trump has automatically refused all asylum applications from refugees from actual death camps. At the embassy, there's no appeal to a judge. At the border, there is.

Maybe we could just bring them from the Russian concentration camps to the ones Trump is building?

I thought you guys didn't want gays around kids?

Kids are far safer around Gays than around Trump's officials or many of his 'evangelical' supporters. That is clear at this point

....says the king of hyperbole or the man who cried wolf!!

(06-18-2018 09:47 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:43 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:28 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:04 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:58 AM)Kronke Wrote:  I can't help but wonder about the logistics. If you so desperately needed asylum from Honduras (apparently per tom, Honduras is the big problem), there's NO WHERE you could find it other than 2,500 miles away? Guatemala no good? Belize? Mexico? Everyone is our responsibility, huh?

This is also actually humoring the idea and assuming that everyone coming is "seeking asylum", which is obviously nonsense and has been debunked by Sec. Nielsen.

Why not walk to the US embassy in Tegucigalpa to apply for asylum? That would have to be a shorter, and less dangerous trip than walking 2500 miles to the US border.

This whole asylum argument is a joke.

Because you don't get to see a judge at the US Embassy. Here's one case. Russia has murdered dozens of LGBT persons in concentration camps in Southern Russia. Those internally fleeing that pogrom have also been murdered in Moscow. But the US Department of State under the leadership of Donald Trump has automatically refused all asylum applications from refugees from actual death camps. At the embassy, there's no appeal to a judge. At the border, there is.

Maybe we could just bring them from the Russian concentration camps to the ones Trump is building?

I thought you guys didn't want gays around kids?

Well, there's probably enough concentration camps already built so that we can keep them separated.

Got a feeling my friend from the Spanish Moss Trailer Park has me on ignore.

(06-18-2018 08:19 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 07:24 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 07:05 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 06:45 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 06:39 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  I'm glad to see the Trump supporters approve of Guantanamo bay for kids. Talk about a special place in hell. It's reserved for Trump supporters. Those who are mad and angry when they are winning and losing. No doubt that is your final destination. The other place doesn't want you.

Guantanamo for kids... will make a great campaign commercial. They just create the material for us.

This is the same kind of BS you hear from the social justice crowd when they talk about "criminal justice reform".

If you don't like the conditions in jail, or the sentencing guidelines, DON'T DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD LAND YOU IN JAIL!

Pretty simple. Same thing applies here, if you don't want to be "separated from your children", DON'T COME HERE ILLEGALLY AND DRAG THEM WITH YOU!

Typical. Deflect the blame away from those who SHOULD be blamed.

It is quite literally all he has. Every. Single. Post.

WWJD

I believe that JC stated we should obey not only the laws of our Heavenly Father but also the law of the land.

ETA: It's found in Romans. Not a direct quote from JC.

Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. 2 So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow. Romans 13: 1-2.

I'm sure Eric can clear this up. He's more in tune than I am.

Don't forget verses 8-10. Oops!

Quote:Love Fulfills the Law
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Stupid
Mental illness
Racist
Sexist
Russia
Nuclear war

......nothing has worked. The all time go to ploy by the democrats card has been played.

The children

Here is a tip... and no tom, not the kind you like. Come here legally, and you wont get separated from your family.

(06-18-2018 11:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:19 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 07:24 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 07:05 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 06:45 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  This is the same kind of BS you hear from the social justice crowd when they talk about "criminal justice reform".

If you don't like the conditions in jail, or the sentencing guidelines, DON'T DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD LAND YOU IN JAIL!

Pretty simple. Same thing applies here, if you don't want to be "separated from your children", DON'T COME HERE ILLEGALLY AND DRAG THEM WITH YOU!

Typical. Deflect the blame away from those who SHOULD be blamed.

It is quite literally all he has. Every. Single. Post.

WWJD

I believe that JC stated we should obey not only the laws of our Heavenly Father but also the law of the land.

ETA: It's found in Romans. Not a direct quote from JC.

Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. 2 So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow. Romans 13: 1-2.

I'm sure Eric can clear this up. He's more in tune than I am.

Don't forget verses 8-10. Oops!

Quote:Love Fulfills the Law
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Let's see. Love is the rule but nothing about disobeying the law for love. Sorry bud. Oops.

(06-18-2018 09:48 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:47 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:43 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:28 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:04 AM)appst89 Wrote:  Why not walk to the US embassy in Tegucigalpa to apply for asylum? That would have to be a shorter, and less dangerous trip than walking 2500 miles to the US border.

This whole asylum argument is a joke.

Because you don't get to see a judge at the US Embassy. Here's one case. Russia has murdered dozens of LGBT persons in concentration camps in Southern Russia. Those internally fleeing that pogrom have also been murdered in Moscow. But the US Department of State under the leadership of Donald Trump has automatically refused all asylum applications from refugees from actual death camps. At the embassy, there's no appeal to a judge. At the border, there is.

Maybe we could just bring them from the Russian concentration camps to the ones Trump is building?

I thought you guys didn't want gays around kids?

Kids are far safer around Gays than around Trump's officials or many of his 'evangelical' supporters. That is clear at this point

Cry, baby, cry....make your mother sigh....

(06-18-2018 11:49 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Here is a tip... and no tom, not the kind you like. Come here legally, and you wont get separated from your family.

THAT's the part everyone is willfully ignoring.......

(06-18-2018 11:57 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 11:49 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Here is a tip... and no tom, not the kind you like. Come here legally, and you wont get separated from your family.

THAT's the part everyone is willfully ignoring.......

No, the separation of kids from parents is an elective policy that has been amped up several notches since April - 2000 kids in 6 weeks. If it were remotely about the "law," it would have been happening at this ramped up level for the past 18 months.

Previous administrations used it, but more sparingly, typically when the safety of the kids was in question. There is no "law" stating that children must be separated from parents who have been held by DHS.

They're using children to try to ramp up political pressure, and it's vile. Period.

(06-18-2018 12:05 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 11:57 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 11:49 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Here is a tip... and no tom, not the kind you like. Come here legally, and you wont get separated from your family.

THAT's the part everyone is willfully ignoring.......

No, the separation of kids from parents is an elective policy that has been amped up several notches since April. If it were about the "law," it would have been happening at this level for the past 18 months.

Previous administrations used it sparingly, when the safety of the kids was in question. There is no "law" stating that children must be separated from parents who have been held by DHS.

They're using children to try to ramp up political pressure, and it's vile. Period.

Responsibility still rests with the parents.

(06-18-2018 12:06 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 12:05 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 11:57 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 11:49 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Here is a tip... and no tom, not the kind you like. Come here legally, and you wont get separated from your family.

THAT's the part everyone is willfully ignoring.......

No, the separation of kids from parents is an elective policy that has been amped up several notches since April. If it were about the "law," it would have been happening at this level for the past 18 months.

Previous administrations used it sparingly, when the safety of the kids was in question. There is no "law" stating that children must be separated from parents who have been held by DHS.

They're using children to try to ramp up political pressure, and it's vile. Period.

Responsibility still rests with the parents.

The parents would love to have the responsibility of their kids, but our government has taken them away. The US government is choosing to remove kids from their parents in order to try to force Congress' hand. It's not okay.

(06-18-2018 12:05 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  No, the separation of kids from parents is an elective policy that has been amped up several notches since April - 2000 kids in 6 weeks. If it were remotely about the "law," it would have been happening at this ramped up level for the past 18 months.

Previous administrations used it, but more sparingly, typically when the safety of the kids was in question. There is no "law" stating that children must be separated from parents who have been held by DHS.

They're using children to try to ramp up political pressure, and it's vile. Period.

(06-18-2018 09:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  There's no requirement to separate kids from parents for asylum. The separation is an elective policy, deliberately calculated for the express purpose of retaliating against non-white persons who apply for asylum.

Talking points are out.

dems,

Come to the table, and let's fix the problem. But you won't, because you know your ideas are inferior and your arguments are losing ones. So you appeal to emotion and outrage.

Everything the dems do is a scam.

True or false, coming into this country illegally was mandatory