(06-19-2018 03:05 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 02:32 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(06-17-2018 11:28 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-17-2018 10:21 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 03:06 PM)Tigx Wrote:  But it's bad for college hoops long-term. Most top players have no desire to attend classes, even fake ones at North Carolina. Silver has been signaling this for a long time. The NCAA feeder system works for football, but not for hoops anymore.

It’s better for college hoops long term. Because the focus isn’t on players who don’t want to play in college, but those who actually want to be there.

So not having the best players in college will somehow help the college game? Pretty tortured reasoning.

And the top leftovers who will be going to college want to be in the NBA too, don’t kid yourself.

So, if 5-8 kids a year are good enough to make the jump then that is fine, it will not impact the college game. If the NBA decides they have to be a year removed from high school then that is fine as well, those 5-8 kids will end up at handful of schools and be one year rentals. Either way the sport keeps on ticking just fine.

It's going to be much, much more than 5-8 players each season. We have several HS players skipping college and sitting out a year or going overseas already.

It's going to be most of the top 30 or so HS players skipping college. Maybe more. Big difference.

That would be the entire first round... That does not seem reasonable to have 30 kids trying to go straight to the pros from high school. You will only have 5-8 that are actually drafted in the first round and then maybe another 5-8 that decide to go oversees or the G-League route. Of course, only time will really tell I suppose. The caveat could possibly be the G-League significantly raising salaries making it worth while for a borderline prospect.

(06-19-2018 04:54 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:05 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 02:32 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(06-17-2018 11:28 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-17-2018 10:21 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  It’s better for college hoops long term. Because the focus isn’t on players who don’t want to play in college, but those who actually want to be there.

So not having the best players in college will somehow help the college game? Pretty tortured reasoning.

And the top leftovers who will be going to college want to be in the NBA too, don’t kid yourself.

So, if 5-8 kids a year are good enough to make the jump then that is fine, it will not impact the college game. If the NBA decides they have to be a year removed from high school then that is fine as well, those 5-8 kids will end up at handful of schools and be one year rentals. Either way the sport keeps on ticking just fine.

It's going to be much, much more than 5-8 players each season. We have several HS players skipping college and sitting out a year or going overseas already.

It's going to be most of the top 30 or so HS players skipping college. Maybe more. Big difference.

That would be the entire first round... That does not seem reasonable to have 30 kids trying to go straight to the pros from high school. You will only have 5-8 that are actually drafted in the first round and then maybe another 5-8 that decide to go oversees or the G-League route. Of course, only time will really tell I suppose. The caveat could possibly be the G-League significantly raising salaries making it worth while for a borderline prospect.

More than 5-8 drafted in first round. Watch on Thursday, top 10 picks will totally or almost all be Freshman and Luka Doncic, who is 19. Bagley and Ayton and JJJ would have been the same without a year in college.

And the developmental prospects will go right to the G-League. You are way low on the 5-8 there. The only reason the top players play a year in college is because they have to. Almost all will skip given the chance. All kinds of incentives to get to the league faster.

It is ONLY because college football and basketball are popular that this is such an issue. More paternalism aimed at these kids.

Tennis, Racing, golf, you name it, some kids become professionals, some play in college. No one cares. Because with rare exception, we do not have an emotional investment.

There are tons of hot shot kid bikers and motocross racers and the like who forego college educations to become professional racers. Most never get anywhere close to the limelight, but end up as great tobacco salesmen and grease monkeys.

We tend to leave them alone.

While I will still hope that a kid short of first round NBA talent out of high school would attend college and play ball there, IF they want to go professional, NBA should allow itself to draft them.

If they become grease monkeys, they certainly have a model to follow.

(06-19-2018 09:00 PM)Mimi Wrote:  It is ONLY because college football and basketball are popular that this is such an issue. More paternalism aimed at these kids.

Tennis, Racing, golf, you name it, some kids become professionals, some play in college. No one cares. Because with rare exception, we do not have an emotional investment.

There are tons of hot shot kid bikers and motocross racers and the like who forego college educations to become professional racers. Most never get anywhere close to the limelight, but end up as great tobacco salesmen and grease monkeys.

We tend to leave them alone.

While I will still hope that a kid short of first round NBA talent out of high school would attend college and play ball there, IF they want to go professional, NBA should allow itself to draft them.

If they become grease monkeys, they certainly have a model to follow.

Do you ever tire of being a mocking, condescending ass? Next time you need maintenance go into the shop and start calling the mechanics grease monkeys if you have as much courage as your anonymous posts and see how well that goes over. I would rather slit my wrists than be anything like you.

(06-19-2018 02:32 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(06-17-2018 11:28 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-17-2018 10:21 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 03:06 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 03:01 PM)mairving Wrote:  That may be good for us since we just hired the coach of the top player in the 2020 class.

But it's bad for college hoops long-term. Most top players have no desire to attend classes, even fake ones at North Carolina. Silver has been signaling this for a long time. The NCAA feeder system works for football, but not for hoops anymore.

It’s better for college hoops long term. Because the focus isn’t on players who don’t want to play in college, but those who actually want to be there.

So not having the best players in college will somehow help the college game? Pretty tortured reasoning.

And the top leftovers who will be going to college want to be in the NBA too, don’t kid yourself.

I tend to think it is actually pretty neutral. There is a simple understanding between college fans and the sport they are watching, they are watching amateurs. By definition they are not watching the best talent in the world, they are watching their alma mater play other amateur teams). It is not about amassing the best talent in the world at the UNC, Duke, Memphis, etc., it is simply about amassing the best AVAILABLE talent and competing at the highest possible level with the available talent.

So, if 5-8 kids a year are good enough to make the jump then that is fine, it will not impact the college game. If the NBA decides they have to be a year removed from high school then that is fine as well, those 5-8 kids will end up at handful of schools and be one year rentals. Either way the sport keeps on ticking just fine.

(06-19-2018 05:29 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:54 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:05 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 02:32 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(06-17-2018 11:28 AM)Tigx Wrote:  So not having the best players in college will somehow help the college game? Pretty tortured reasoning.

And the top leftovers who will be going to college want to be in the NBA too, don’t kid yourself.

So, if 5-8 kids a year are good enough to make the jump then that is fine, it will not impact the college game. If the NBA decides they have to be a year removed from high school then that is fine as well, those 5-8 kids will end up at handful of schools and be one year rentals. Either way the sport keeps on ticking just fine.

It's going to be much, much more than 5-8 players each season. We have several HS players skipping college and sitting out a year or going overseas already.

It's going to be most of the top 30 or so HS players skipping college. Maybe more. Big difference.

That would be the entire first round... That does not seem reasonable to have 30 kids trying to go straight to the pros from high school. You will only have 5-8 that are actually drafted in the first round and then maybe another 5-8 that decide to go oversees or the G-League route. Of course, only time will really tell I suppose. The caveat could possibly be the G-League significantly raising salaries making it worth while for a borderline prospect.

More than 5-8 drafted in first round. Watch on Thursday, top 10 picks will totally or almost all be Freshman and Luka Doncic, who is 19. Bagley and Ayton and JJJ would have been the same without a year in college.

And the developmental prospects will go right to the G-League. You are way low on the 5-8 there. The only reason the top players play a year in college is because they have to. Almost all will skip given the chance. All kinds of incentives to get to the league faster.

Maybe you are 13 and don't remember how it was for the 10 years when preps would go straight to the league, but it was generally 5 high schoolers to declare. High schoolers had a higher percentage of those who declared drafted than other classifications. Usually if a high schooler declared, they were one of the top five players in their class and were going to be selected by an NBA team.

2005 was the last draft were high schoolers were eligible had 11 declare. One of the high schoolers to declare was Martellus Bennett, who exited the draft and went to college for football and played in the NFL.

If kids would prefer to get paid to play ball rather than pretend to be student-athletes for colleges to profit, let them.

BTW, the NCAA can easily allow high schoolers who declare but don't get drafted and haven't signed with an agent to have college eligibility.

(06-24-2018 02:58 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 05:29 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:54 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:05 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 02:32 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  So, if 5-8 kids a year are good enough to make the jump then that is fine, it will not impact the college game. If the NBA decides they have to be a year removed from high school then that is fine as well, those 5-8 kids will end up at handful of schools and be one year rentals. Either way the sport keeps on ticking just fine.

It's going to be much, much more than 5-8 players each season. We have several HS players skipping college and sitting out a year or going overseas already.

It's going to be most of the top 30 or so HS players skipping college. Maybe more. Big difference.

That would be the entire first round... That does not seem reasonable to have 30 kids trying to go straight to the pros from high school. You will only have 5-8 that are actually drafted in the first round and then maybe another 5-8 that decide to go oversees or the G-League route. Of course, only time will really tell I suppose. The caveat could possibly be the G-League significantly raising salaries making it worth while for a borderline prospect.

More than 5-8 drafted in first round. Watch on Thursday, top 10 picks will totally or almost all be Freshman and Luka Doncic, who is 19. Bagley and Ayton and JJJ would have been the same without a year in college.

And the developmental prospects will go right to the G-League. You are way low on the 5-8 there. The only reason the top players play a year in college is because they have to. Almost all will skip given the chance. All kinds of incentives to get to the league faster.

If kids would prefer to get paid to play ball rather than pretend to be student-athletes for colleges to profit, let them.

They will.

(06-17-2018 10:15 AM)BigBlueTiger901 Wrote:  I think the argument could be made it will help college basketball.

One and done rule started with 2006 NBA draft. Here are the 10 champions and best players from those teams in the decade before the rule.

2005- North Carolina - Loaded team with May/Mccants/J Williams/M Williams/Felton
2004- UCONN - Gordon/Okafor/Villanueva
2003- Syracuse - Carmelo/Warrick/Mcnamara
2002- Maryland - Dixon/Wilcox/Blake
2001- Duke - Loaded team with J Williams/Battier/Dunleavy/Boozer/Duhon
2000- Michigan St -J Rich/Cleaves/Bell/Peterson
1999- UCONN - Rip Hamilton/El-Amin
1998- Kentucky - Tubby team with Nazr/Padgett/Magloire/Sheppard
1997- Arizona - Dickerson/Bibby/Simon/Terry
1996- Kentucky - Loaded team with Delk/Walker/Mccarty/Mercer/Anderson

Viewership was actually up during that decade - averaging 23.6 million viewers for the championship games.

In the ten years after one and done rule, viewership averaged 19.2 million viewers for the championship games.

I think fans become more invested as players have a collegiate career instead of one year stays and move on to the professional level. You could probably make the argument that the players who are good enough to go out of high school are probably the same ones who will have the option to leave after one year. I think this will increase the percentage of players who stay 2+ years. Those who are looking to earn professional wages as quickly as possible are going to try do this out of high school.

College BB attendance has been slipping almost monotonically this century.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...top-draws/

It may be 'better' college BB, but it will be more like college baseball, in which there is very minor attendance. March Madness will matter, as always, BUT after 2021, I am not sure if anyone in America really cares about a second-rate product. I know that sounds like a harsh assessment, BUT, in the 80s - the heyday of college BB - we saw Hakeem vs. Ewing and in 1991 I could name the entire UNLV starting 5 BEFORE the season began (Anderson Hunt, Greg Anthony, Stacey Augmon, Larry Johnson, George Ackles).

Billy Packer said the NBA was trying to destroy college BB (as it was a competitor) way back in the mid-1990s. This is pretty much proof of that.

(06-24-2018 03:37 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 02:58 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 05:29 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:54 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:05 PM)Tigx Wrote:  It's going to be much, much more than 5-8 players each season. We have several HS players skipping college and sitting out a year or going overseas already.

It's going to be most of the top 30 or so HS players skipping college. Maybe more. Big difference.

That would be the entire first round... That does not seem reasonable to have 30 kids trying to go straight to the pros from high school. You will only have 5-8 that are actually drafted in the first round and then maybe another 5-8 that decide to go oversees or the G-League route. Of course, only time will really tell I suppose. The caveat could possibly be the G-League significantly raising salaries making it worth while for a borderline prospect.

More than 5-8 drafted in first round. Watch on Thursday, top 10 picks will totally or almost all be Freshman and Luka Doncic, who is 19. Bagley and Ayton and JJJ would have been the same without a year in college.

And the developmental prospects will go right to the G-League. You are way low on the 5-8 there. The only reason the top players play a year in college is because they have to. Almost all will skip given the chance. All kinds of incentives to get to the league faster.

If kids would prefer to get paid to play ball rather than pretend to be student-athletes for colleges to profit, let them.

They will.

So why is that a problem?

(06-24-2018 03:37 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-24-2018 02:58 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 05:29 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:54 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:05 PM)Tigx Wrote:  It's going to be much, much more than 5-8 players each season. We have several HS players skipping college and sitting out a year or going overseas already.

It's going to be most of the top 30 or so HS players skipping college. Maybe more. Big difference.

That would be the entire first round... That does not seem reasonable to have 30 kids trying to go straight to the pros from high school. You will only have 5-8 that are actually drafted in the first round and then maybe another 5-8 that decide to go oversees or the G-League route. Of course, only time will really tell I suppose. The caveat could possibly be the G-League significantly raising salaries making it worth while for a borderline prospect.

More than 5-8 drafted in first round. Watch on Thursday, top 10 picks will totally or almost all be Freshman and Luka Doncic, who is 19. Bagley and Ayton and JJJ would have been the same without a year in college.

And the developmental prospects will go right to the G-League. You are way low on the 5-8 there. The only reason the top players play a year in college is because they have to. Almost all will skip given the chance. All kinds of incentives to get to the league faster.

If kids would prefer to get paid to play ball rather than pretend to be student-athletes for colleges to profit, let them.

They will.

I think you may have a few more make the jump early than should...

But I don't think too many kids are going to opt to go to the G-League instead of going to school. If kids were in that big of a hurry to get to the G-League we would have a large number of freshmen leaving now which we do not.

One thing I think that many don't realize is that college can be really fun.

(07-10-2018 09:06 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

That is the fair thing to do...

If teams don't want to draft a kid straight out of high school...DONT DRAFT THEM

(07-19-2018 08:39 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 09:06 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

That is the fair thing to do...

If teams don't want to draft a kid straight out of high school...DONT DRAFT THEM

Thanks for bumping, Macgar. Looks like the '22 draft now, I'll change the thread title.

Looks like '22 draft now. So incoming high school Freshman the one first who can skip the college year. https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/25...-NBA-Draft

"Teams have been privately told by executives within the league office not to expect a change to the one-and-done rule before the 2022 NBA Draft."

(07-19-2018 08:52 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Looks like '22 draft now. So incoming high school Freshman the one first who can skip the college year. https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/25...-NBA-Draft

"Teams have been privately told by executives within the league office not to expect a change to the one-and-done rule before the 2022 NBA Draft."

2022 Draft class is going to be loaded...

(06-15-2018 02:59 PM)Tigx Wrote:  College hoops is going to change a lot the next few years. NBA has to give teams time to adjust to the new rules, because it affects the value of draft picks in trades. Likely makes the '21 draft very strong, since it will have the top Freshman and HS players that season.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23804...y-shift-21

"The NBA on Friday sent teams a memo indicating that "eligibility rules" for the draft may shift as early as 2021 (but no earlier) as the league reviews issues "related to player development and the corruption investigation in college basketball . . ."

Adam Silver ain't playing around. 27 of the 30 NBA teams have G-League affiliates now. NBA basically telling college basketball we don't need you anymore. NCAA is feckless, can't fix a corrupt system. So NBA will just take top players pros each year, and let them skip the 6 month layover on college campuses. Lesser players can develop in G-League, top players go right to NBA rosters.

Told you Adam Silver wasn't fooling around. And no accident this is announced as the FBI trial goes to the jury tomorrow. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25015...route-ncaa

"In a move that could challenge the NCAA's monopoly on elite talent, the NBA's G League is creating a new venture as an alternative to the one-and-done route for the best American basketball prospects, it was announced Thursday.

As part of a newly formed professional path starting in the summer of 2019, the G League will offer "Select Contracts" worth $125,000 to elite prospects who are at least 18 years old but not yet eligible for the NBA draft."

I like it. It's a good bridge for a player that doesn't want to be burdened by dealing with the NCAA and slowdown, weave and pass around the perimeter for 25 seconds college hoops for even a year. Hopefully they'll assign these players that qualify to regional G League teams. I went to a couple of Hustle games last season. They really get up and down the court. It reminded me of the old ABA. This will really be a good proving ground for one and done players.

(10-18-2018 02:09 PM)UofMark Wrote:  I like it. It's a good bridge for a player that doesn't want to be burdened by dealing with the NCAA and slowdown, weave and pass around the perimeter for 25 seconds college hoops for even a year. Hopefully they'll assign these players that qualify to regional G League teams. I went to a couple of Hustle games last season. They really get up and down the court. It reminded me of the old ABA. This will really be a good proving ground for one and done players.

Why would some of the higher players take less money to play in the G-League from what they are making in college?

Haven't you heard? They're playing for the name on the jersey. Students first, athletes second. School pride. Games that supposedly mean something. Yada yada yada.

Actually you're correct. Figures coming out of the trial show accepting $125k for minor league hoops would be a pay cut.

(06-19-2018 09:00 PM)Mimi Wrote:  There are tons of hot shot kid bikers and motocross racers and the like who forego college educations to become professional racers. Most never get anywhere close to the limelight, but end up as great tobacco salesmen and grease monkeys.

I don't care for that term.

I don't know too many monkeys that can take apart a fuel injector.