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RE: Update: NBA Officially Proposes 1 & Done Ends With '22 Draft
(02-21-2019 10:25 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 09:20 PM)micman Wrote:  So, Tubby will turn into a good coach again? Like in the 90’s?

I’m watching high point on espn right now. He hasn’t turned yet? but he did stand up a couple times

Edit: .and the espn announcer just said,
“Tubby Smith will assume the position back in his chair.”

Haha
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(02-21-2019 08:54 PM)Crazier Wrote:  Calipari will retire when that takes affect. Memphis will be okay though. A lot of good d-1 talent around the area that fly under the radar.

Cal is actually in favor of the change.
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(02-21-2019 06:47 PM)Tigx Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 06:24 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The college game will be more enjoyable without the 1 & dones.

But won't we still have one-and-dones? As I understand it, freshman will still be able to declare for the draft. The difference is many top HS seniors will bypass college entirely.

Oh, I think so, but I have to believe guys who know they will drop out of school in March/April and declare are far more apt to disrupt team chemistry... particularly on bubble level teams... than they are to be leaders. Its only natural.

The quality of team basketball was better when there was no one & done rule.
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I bet the first year or two of this will be a mess
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(02-22-2019 12:41 AM)tigertrails Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 08:54 PM)Crazier Wrote:  Calipari will retire when that takes affect. Memphis will be okay though. A lot of good d-1 talent around the area that fly under the radar.

Cal is actually in favor of the change.
I always felt like his support was a front, but it is genius though. He publicly states that he is in favor of ending the 1 & Done rule. It looks good to 1&D prospects, makes it seem like he is looking out for the young men, and helps them sign with UK. He knows he doesn't have any kinda pull in the NBA's decision. But, I'll tell ya that it is gonna be bad for Cal. Expectations at UK are unreal, and to have to meet those expectations yearly with lesser talented players is crazy for anybody. UK fans are gonna turn on him within 5 years of the rule change.
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(02-22-2019 10:58 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  I bet the first year or two of this will be a mess

You will have a bunch of kids declaring that should not the first two or three years. They will go undrafted or end up in the D league and it will start to level out with only a few players entering who should not...
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(02-22-2019 11:55 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(02-22-2019 10:58 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  I bet the first year or two of this will be a mess

You will have a bunch of kids declaring that should not the first two or three years. They will go undrafted or end up in the D league and it will start to level out with only a few players entering who should not...
I would love it if the NCAA would let any kids that didn't get drafted a chance to still play college ball. Maybe make them sit out a year before they are eligible as long as they don't play any pro ball.
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(02-22-2019 10:58 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  I bet the first year or two of this will be a mess

NBA is planning years in advance to try to make it smooth. Key is Adam Silver and the NBA Players Association made the decision, after the FBI Adidas investigation and agent/assistant coaches/financial advisor arrests that the NCAA is incapable of policing itself. NBA and the NBA PA started to put the wheels in motion last fall with the partnership for the first time with USA Basketball.

So they are setting up a parallel path for the top 20 or 30 HS players each year to train and develop outside of the AAU and the need to go to college. https://sports.yahoo.com/usa-basketball-...25746.html

"The first class to complete the four-year cycle through the new Junior National Team program will graduate in 2022, precisely when the one-and-done rule is expected to be lifted. . .

Approximately 80 players — 20 from each high school class — will participate in the developmental program annually. If you were to divide the 60 draft picks each year equally among high school, college and international prospects, that leaves 20 job openings for preps. . .

While they didn’t say this explicitly in the news release, the NBA, NBPA, NCAA and USA Basketball seemingly just announced a joint program to begin grooming professional basketball players at the age of 14."
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The one and done rule was created by owners to protect them from themselves. Players union went a long because they didn't like all that money going to unproven players that didn't pan out.

The NBA game and youth basketball has changed so much, I think that this will be good for NBA and NCAA.
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(02-21-2019 06:24 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The college game will be more enjoyable without the 1 & dones.
You would rather watch Memphis without Wiseman?


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(02-22-2019 03:50 PM)lifeofelove Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 06:24 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The college game will be more enjoyable without the 1 & dones.
You would rather watch Memphis without Wiseman?


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I can’t answer that now. If the team struggles and his draft stock becomes more important than the team, then I’d rather watch the team without him. If the team is winning and playing team ball then, of course, I’d rather watch them with him.

Ben Simmons and LSU comes to mind... calling his experience in Baton Rouge “a waste of time.”
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I've heard folks say in the past that it is a shame to not allow HS graduates to enter the draft but no one ever clarifies why this is the case. Personally, the NBA should be able to do whatever they feel is best to protect their product short of breaking the law. If they only want 25 yr olds then fine but if they want18+ yr olds then fine too. They are not keeping anyone from a job. If the rule is 19 yrs old then go to college or G-League or Lowes (nothing wrong with any of those). You cannot work till you are 16 already and some jobs like gov jobs have age restrictions. I just don't see how unfair to young players when they know the rules and have options.
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(02-22-2019 09:36 PM)murphster Wrote:  I've heard folks say in the past that it is a shame to not allow HS graduates to enter the draft but no one ever clarifies why this is the case. Personally, the NBA should be able to do whatever they feel is best to protect their product short of breaking the law. If they only want 25 yr olds then fine but if they want18+ yr olds then fine too. They are not keeping anyone from a job. If the rule is 19 yrs old then go to college or G-League or Lowes (nothing wrong with any of those). You cannot work till you are 16 already and some jobs like gov jobs have age restrictions. I just don't see how unfair to young players when they know the rules and have options.

I've heard many people especially on sports talk shows explain why they believe it is a shame to not allow HS graduates to enter the draft. From free market arguments (that might be construed as indifferent to public policy), to improvements in the NBA support including the G League and summer programs informing players of post-playing career opportunities, to comparisons to job opportunities for other sports (tennis and soccer in particular) & and professions (music, film, technology and innovation). The clarifications themselves exist and are shared often. They may have flaws themselves, but they exist.

So, if you haven't heard of them, that is a oversimplified summary of 3 of likely several arguments folks use.
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(02-22-2019 04:11 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(02-22-2019 03:50 PM)lifeofelove Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 06:24 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The college game will be more enjoyable without the 1 & dones.
You would rather watch Memphis without Wiseman?


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I can’t answer that now. If the team struggles and his draft stock becomes more important than the team, then I’d rather watch the team without him. If the team is winning and playing team ball then, of course, I’d rather watch them with him.

Ben Simmons and LSU comes to mind... calling his experience in Baton Rouge “a waste of time.”

And it was obvious to everyone around (including his teammates).

I think you have a good point: part of the reason college BB is fun to watch is the fact that players (for the most part) hustle/play defense/don't pace themselves and are coachable.

When it becomes obvious to everyone around that a player is going through the motions, then it becomes the worst of everything: the attitude of the NBA without the talent of the NBA.
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(02-22-2019 09:36 PM)murphster Wrote:  I've heard folks say in the past that it is a shame to not allow HS graduates to enter the draft but no one ever clarifies why this is the case. Personally, the NBA should be able to do whatever they feel is best to protect their product short of breaking the law. If they only want 25 yr olds then fine but if they want18+ yr olds then fine too. They are not keeping anyone from a job. If the rule is 19 yrs old then go to college or G-League or Lowes (nothing wrong with any of those). You cannot work till you are 16 already and some jobs like gov jobs have age restrictions. I just don't see how unfair to young players when they know the rules and have options.

The issue isn't that the NBA shouldn't be able to make it's own rules.. it's that the NBA and NCAA have a set of rules in place (supported by our governments) that basically make it borderline impossible for the 18 yr olds to have viable alternatives short of moving overseas.

In a free market, if there was a market for an NBA competitor that allowed 18 year olds then competing league would pop up. Unfortunately, the system has been rigged in ways that make it very very difficult for any alternative to compete, few examples:
1) The NCAA is a cartel that basically has the rights to all college level elite athletes - the cartel is membership based AND the fact that they are able to price-fix the cost of far below market price means they have an unbreakable cost advantage.
2) The NBA has had a series of tax advantages and anti-trust rules that allow it to operate in special ways that differ from a typical private entity - one of the craziest examples was one upon a time, and maybe still, they were able to treat player labor as depreciable assets (i.e. like machinery) - a huge tax savings when combined with several other tax mechanisms that have helped to pump up franchise values and make it difficult for a competitor unless they spend hundreds of millions lobbying for equivalent special treatment.

Basically - the NCAA/NBA have rigged the system to limit the options athletes have while at the same time maximizing their value and taking the profits. NBA players have been able to swing the pendulum back their way over the last decade but NCAA athletes are being screwed more than ever.
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Thanks to KA and TK for the feedback (good stuff). I understand your points about the NCAA and NBA basically having it setup to their benefit. While I'm sure the G-League doesn't pay well it still seems like an option (or overseas). If the player is good enough then he will be in the G-league for one year then off to the NBA for the $$$. In the NBA defense at least they would get to see the players against better competition so they could conceivably draft players that are NBA worthy (this does not apply to the Grizzlies though 03-wink ) In the end we all make choices regarding our professions. I choose to pay my way through college by working 2 jobs, getting loans, etc so that I could be in debt when I graduated. 03-drunk
This was a personal sacrifice I chose to make. I knew others who chose not to go to college, made decent money, and were not in debt.

Regarding comparing the NBA to other leagues/sports... I'm not sure I feel that is a fair comparison. Each sport / league is a separate entity with their own rules. NASA wouldn't hire just anyone without experience or some sort of certification (education). The same would be true be for a professor at a university. While both have requirements they are likely and should be different.

Please note that I'm not trying to be supportive of the NBA or any other league. I truly don't care if they allow 18 yr olds but I enjoy discussing the issue and trying to come to a better understanding of the issue. Too many people want to simply talk others down or close their ears. thanks again for the informative feedback.
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(06-16-2018 02:36 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Bad for society as a whole. How many kids have we seen leave early for NBA after listening to their handlers only to end up heading over seas when they do not get drafted. Only to end up back in their old neighborhood with no prospect for a future outside of basketball.

Now we are going to see even less mature high school kids all thinking they are the next big thing bypass any chance of an education and a life outside of basketball. Just in the hope that they are the magical 1 out of 1,860 that make it big.

Is it any question as to why you are EIGHT TIMES as likely to make it to the major league level in Baseball than you would make it to the NBA or NFL.

In the US 13% of the population live in abject poverty. The highest group are blacks 22% which make up the majority of basketball players. Too many are putting all their eggs in that one basket called basketball. When that fails them they have little to fall back on in life.

60% of pro basketball players file for bankruptcy with in 5 years of their careers ending. For every Penny who was financially prudent you will find dozens of Allen Iverson who blew through $200 million.

All sports should adopt the baseball example. If you go to college you are not eligible for draft till after jr year. Then pro sports should have a minimum age. So you eith3er go to school or you go to minor league and not eligible to go to major level until that age.

100% CORRECT. Even the one's who make it probably will be broke shortly after retirement and not know how to write a check. "Handlers" will rip them off as in the case of Jabbar.
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I agree with above
Glad to get rid of one and dones now u recruit to build a team.
I think we rode this horse before, seems like a lot of kids weren't ready, Kuami Brown comes to mind although he hung around awhile. However several were done and out the league pretty quick, good for the agents, family and preacher, but not the kid. Plenty will declare and a few will make it big time and then it's back to the kid's best interest.
BTW Cal ain't waiting for this shoe to drop, he's in L.A. next yr and never miss a beat.
I gotta give cal props, he put a lot of Dudes in the pros and told them when they were ready
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(02-23-2019 09:15 PM)memphisike Wrote:  I agree with above
Glad to get rid of one and dones now u recruit to build a team.
I think we rode this horse before, seems like a lot of kids weren't ready, Kuami Brown comes to mind although he hung around awhile. However several were done and out the league pretty quick, good for the agents, family and preacher, but not the kid. Plenty will declare and a few will make it big time and then it's back to the kid's best interest.
BTW Cal ain't waiting for this shoe to drop, he's in L.A. next yr and never miss a beat.
I gotta give cal props, he put a lot of Dudes in the pros and told them when they were ready

Darius Miles is always the one that comes to mind for me.
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