https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF4mAg94iQs

For those deniers who will state that these things have always occurred, while some of it has, not at this magnitude. As the Bible states these catastrophes will and are occurring. Trouble is, there will be those that don't believe it and will never accept the Lord and His Bible. So sad.

Hey EverRespect, what I'm wondering is when will the two messages show themselves and what will they tell us? I know that the Jews are already readying the third Temple and I'll bet now that they know it's not at the site of the muslim Golden Dome, it'll be sooner than one thinks. What say you?
Ps.
Sorry EricsRevenge, I keep getting you mixed up with the unbelieving one. I meant you which you knew right away.

The Bible even lays out throughout the scriptures a 7000 year plan, with the 2nd coming at approximately the 6000-year mark followed by a 1000 year literal reign of Christ. According to the genealogies and time line given in the bible we are passing that 6000 mark in our generation, (it appears we did about 5-10 years ago).

One could easily scoff and dismiss any one single thing or point, but when we look at all the other signs of the end we see them all converging at once. Key details that have only come to pass in recent years, such as the dramatic increase in travel (modern transportation) and communication (internet, duh), the nations being interconnected across the globe, rapidly increasing natural disasters, world leaders crying out for a saviour and one world government, an explosion of deception and perplexity in the culture, praising all things the bible calls evil as good and righteous.

And of course Israel itself being reborn after nearly 2000 years of desolation and the Jewish diaspora into all nations (just as predicted in multiple OT books), and it coming right on schedule with all these other obvious signs converging all at once, all right when predicted on the biblical timeline.

Jesus specifically pointed to the nation of Israel as a key timepiece in the end times. There can be no 2nd coming/end times without a nation of LOST Jews living in the Holy Land, STILL rejecting Christ as their Messiah.

All these things can't be just a WILD series of coincidences. Its literally impossible that all these things are converging all at once, right when the bible said they would 2000+ years ago. Its NOT possible, yet here we are.

I'm seriously going to be pissed if we are at the end of the world because ECU JUST got serious about basketball.

Maybe that is one of the signs, though.

(06-15-2018 12:59 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF4mAg94iQs

For those deniers who will state that these things have always occurred, while some of it has, not at this magnitude. As the Bible states these catastrophes will and are occurring. Trouble is, there will be those that don't believe it and will never accept the Lord and His Bible. So sad.

Hey EverRespect, what I'm wondering is when will the two messages show themselves and what will they tell us? I know that the Jews are already readying the third Temple and I'll bet now that they know it's not at the site of the muslim Golden Dome, it'll be sooner than one thinks. What say you?

You might have me confused with someone else. I am no Subject Matter Expert on the Bible and I really don't have an opinion on this. To be taken with a grain of salt, but if you put a gun to my head for my opinion, I'd say Revelations is very metaphorical and it will unlikely go down literally as printed.

Eric,

What do you think of the "Rapture?"

I have my thoughts but am interested in yours

(06-15-2018 03:19 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Eric,

What do you think of the "Rapture?"

I have my thoughts but am interested in yours

Well there is no doubt a rapture, unless we just blatantly deny the words of the NT.

It takes some study to pin down whether its pre, mid or post. I am firmly in the pre trib rapture camp and I think it has a FAR stronger scriptural case for it. It has multiple verses that speak of it directly, and at the same time removing a pre trib rapture turns most of the prophets into total gibberish. The entire structure of the millennial reign is turned into gibberish without a pre trib rapture, and the details of salvation must include works and resisting the mark of the beast. That is a direct contradiction with church age doctrine of salvation by faith and grace. You wind up with a serious dispensational clash without a pre trib rapture to close out the church age and God shifting His focus back to the nation of Israel in the tribulation/time of Jacobs trouble.


Jesus' words at the end of His Olivet Discourse on the end times:

Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Jesus words in Revelation to the churches:

Revelation 3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.



There is also a gathering at the 2nd coming, but it appears to be a gathering of the living survivors of the tribulation and all the Saints & Angels in heaven. Its not a resurrection event.

(06-15-2018 03:17 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 12:59 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF4mAg94iQs

For those deniers who will state that these things have always occurred, while some of it has, not at this magnitude. As the Bible states these catastrophes will and are occurring. Trouble is, there will be those that don't believe it and will never accept the Lord and His Bible. So sad.

Hey EverRespect, what I'm wondering is when will the two messages show themselves and what will they tell us? I know that the Jews are already readying the third Temple and I'll bet now that they know it's not at the site of the muslim Golden Dome, it'll be sooner than one thinks. What say you?

You might have me confused with someone else. I am no Subject Matter Expert on the Bible and I really don't have an opinion on this. To be taken with a grain of salt, but if you put a gun to my head for my opinion, I'd say Revelations is very metaphorical and it will unlikely go down literally as printed.

70% of bible prophecy has already been fulfilled and virtual always goes down in a very literal fashion.

Christ was born of a literal virgin
In the literal town of Bethlehem
He literally lived in Nazareth
He literally healed the sick and blind
He was literally pierced in the hands and feet
He was literally buried in a rich man's tomb
He literally rose from the dead on the 3rd day.

Its the same thing will all the prophecies surrounding Israel the last 2600+ years.

The Temple was literally destroyed by Babylon
They spend a literal 70 years of exile in Babylon
They literally returned to the land as a conquered nation
Rome literally destroyed Israel again in 70 AD
Rome literally scattered them into all nations for almost 2000 years
The literally returned to the Holy Land after the Holocaust
Israel literally became a nation again in 1948.


People have always had a hard time believing or understanding prophecy before its fulfilled, and have always made the mistake of trying to turn it into metaphor or spiritualize it away. We have the advantage of the latter day view to look back and see how most of it has already happened. Its typically far more literal than people expect.

That is not to say there is no spiritual understanding, but those symbolic references are always clearly explained in other parts of the bible. Such as the beast or the dragon. Both OT and NT clearly identify these things as Satan (dragon) and Kingdoms (Beasts) so there is no "personal" interpretation.

Revelation is just one book, but there are over 20 other prophecy books. And there are other major pieces of prophecy in the books of Moses, the Psalms and several other places. The book of Ezekiel is much larger than the book of Relvation and has some of the most detailed end time prophecies in the whole bible. But very few Christians ever study or read it beyond the first few chapters.

Eric, you still didn't answer my question concerning the two messengers. I wonder how us mortals will ever know for certain that they are the ones sent from God. There are many evangelists and many have a good understanding of the Bible and do a good job of teaching us but from those will two of them prove to be the Messengers? And how will we really know?

As far as the last Temple it's not hard to grasp but some things such as the Tribulation and the Messengers are very vague.

(06-16-2018 01:16 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Eric, you still didn't answer my question concerning the two messengers. I wonder how us mortals will ever know for certain that they are the ones sent from God. There are many evangelists and many have a good understanding of the Bible and do a good job of teaching us but from those will two of them prove to be the Messengers? And how will we really know?

As far as the last Temple it's not hard to grasp but some things such as the Tribulation and the Messengers are very vague.

My bad.

The two Messengers will be focused mostly (but not exclusively) on Israel and Jerusalem, which is where they will be during their ministry. Though the whole world will hear them and be caught up in this.

I don't think its 2 Gentile ministers who come to the forefront, its two Israelite prophets who lived long ago (possibly Moses and Elijah).

I personally don't think its all that important to know exactly they are beforehand, there will no mystery at all when they begin their testimony. They will be performing great signs and wonders that make it clear they are the 2 witnesses spoken of. The tribulation saints on the earth at that time will know they are the 2 witnesses.

The church age believers will already be in heaven. The entire tribulation is for the lost, and to bring a remnant of the Jews to Christ through great tribulation and judgment.

The tribulation isn't about the church, God's focus is really on the Jews and Israel. Of course, lost gentiles will come to Christ as well in those days.


Micah 1:3-5
3 For, behold, the LORD cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth.

4 And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place.

5 For the transgression of Jacob is all this, and for the sins of the house of Israel. What is the transgression of Jacob? is it not Samaria? and what are the high places of Judah? are they not Jerusalem?



Jeremiah 30:6-7
6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?

7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

Thanks for posting the vid

I read an article last week that showed how major hurricanes are moving much slower over land now and doing far more damage than ever before.

We see the volcanic activity going on as well. The volcanoes will play a much bigger role in the tribulation than some are expecting imo. They are going to fill the skies with ash across the world and darken the sun and moon.

Major catastrophic eruptions across the planet all within the same time period.

I don't think you even have to look at natural phenomenon to know we are in the "birth pangs" of the last days as referenced in Scripture. Look at the breakdown of the marital family unit and the church - two fundamental institutions that will never be the same due to sin and pushing out God. Our world has become more about making ourselves gods and living for the attainment of "stuff" rather than living for Christ. Yes, there has always been these problems but not at the level and pervasiveness that is now occurring. Obesity, drug addiction, porn addiction, pedophilia, suicide, hatred, violence, mental illness, filthy language, divorce, abortions, etc., continue at alarming rates and pervasiveness. We are told in Scripture to be prepared for the last days when Christ returns not to save the world, but to judge it.

It appears most of the worlds oldest trees are all suddenly dying off the last 10-12 years.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arch...ge/562499/