It's a moot point really, because we'll truck along just fine with him, and Kenny Edenfield will be under the wing of Steve Campbell. Both offenses will be fine, and you should see marked improvement from Joey Jones to Steve Campbell no matter what.
(06-19-2018 11:01 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote: It's a moot point really, because we'll truck along just fine with him, and Kenny Edenfield will be under the wing of Steve Campbell. Both offenses will be fine, and you should see marked improvement from Joey Jones to Steve Campbell no matter what.
A) Thank you so much for the correct usage of moot. I hate "mute" points and playoff "births" more than words can express.
B) I agree that any setbacks in Troy's offensive production will not be due to coaching. I also agree that the combination of Steve Campbell, a very good offensive mind himself, and Kenny Edenfield will produce solid returns for USA. It may not show itself immediately, but the future will have good results.
I'm not saying Brown isn't a very talented offensive mind, just that Edenfield's track record indicates he's probably better than given credit for.
KEs offense was really frustrating, I think it was ok in the beginning but it got really frustrating over the years... can't blame QB either, Cory Robinson (Mr.Football in Kentucky) was a great QB.
I'm not saying Brown isn't a very talented offensive mind, just that Edenfield's track record indicates he's probably better than given credit for.
KEs offense was really frustrating, I think it was ok in the beginning but it got really frustrating over the years... can't blame QB either, Cory Robinson (Mr.Football in Kentucky) was a great QB.
I did notice that experience was a factor in his two down years of 2011 and 2014. In 2011 they only returned four starters on offense, Robinson being one, and in 2014 they returned five. In 2014 they juggled QBs a bit until they settled on freshman Brandon Silvers.
(06-18-2018 04:14 PM)T2003 Wrote: Actually, I am glad that "OC" is gone, he stopped calling the plays when Brown became our HC anyway and we were able to hire an additional coach that way. No doubt, he was partly responsible why Troy underperfomed after Coach Brown left us for Texas Tech and Kentucky (the lost years, 2011-2014).
However, we lost one great coach this year, LB coach Jon Sumrall (former Co-DC at Tulane) who is now LB coach at Ole Miss... he is also a great recruiter.
Offense doesn't really seem to be the big detriment of those lost years.
In 2012, Troy had the #65 offense in the nation, the #117 rush offense, and the #119 redzone offense. It was painful to see how many games we lost that year because of the predictable redzone playcalling. You could literally tell whether it was going to be a screen-pass or a run up the middle with a small 5'9" 190 lb running back...
In 2013, Troy had the #54 offense in the nation, and the playcalling near the endzone was SO BAD. Redzone offense was #84 in the nation.
Needless to say, the offense was very frustrating while Edenfield was OC. When Brown started calling plays, it changed everything and we became way less predictable.
I just realized that the stats I'm looking at don't agree with yours in regards to 2012. According to cfbstats.com, Troy had the #52 scoring offense, #11 total offense, #57 rushing offense and #87 red zone offense. It looks like the numbers you quoted were from the 2011 season. It's easy to see how it could be confused since the statsfor 2011 were finalized in early 2012.
Anyway, it's easy to see why 2011 would have been a tough season as Troy had lost a a lot of the receivers and OL that made 2010 a good unit.
(06-19-2018 11:01 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote: It's a moot point really, because we'll truck along just fine with him, and Kenny Edenfield will be under the wing of Steve Campbell. Both offenses will be fine, and you should see marked improvement from Joey Jones to Steve Campbell no matter what.
A) Thank you so much for the correct usage of moot. I hate "mute" points and playoff "births" more than words can express.
B) I agree that any setbacks in Troy's offensive production will not be due to coaching. I also agree that the combination of Steve Campbell, a very good offensive mind himself, and Kenny Edenfield will produce solid returns for USA. It may not show itself immediately, but the future will have good results.
(06-19-2018 11:00 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote: There are other aspects of the offense in those years that speak to outstanding play calling, such as the #12 3rd down conversion rate nationally in 2012 and #38 in 2013, when they were the #31 scoring offense nationally. In 2013 their red zone TD% was actually pretty good, 66.04%, which was 43rd nationally.
The 2010 offense was also his and that group was #20 nationally in scoring at 34.1 ppg.
It's hard to quantify the effect all those bad defenses had on the play calling as well. Once Troy got into scoring territory there had to be some inclination on his part to eat a little clock because giving the ball to the opponent was often going to result in giving some points back.
I'm not saying Brown isn't a very talented offensive mind, just that Edenfield's track record indicates he's probably better than given credit for.
We weren't always in clock-eating situations though. It was just poor offensive management. If you were to have been a Troy fan back then, you would have a better understanding since you would've seen multiple seasons of his offense at work.
Edenfield was indeed a good coach. But he wasn't so good that Troy fans were going to miss him after he left for USA. Almost every Troy fan was hoping that when Neal Brown came in he was going to change OC's or take over the playcalling duties himself. You might be able to dig into some message board archives on GoTroyTrojans.com and see how everyone felt about Edenfield at the end of 2013 and 2014 football seasons. Most of us were frustrated with the way the offense was being ran.
Maybe he'll take some tips he picked up while under Neal Brown and make his offense work better at USA than it did at Troy.
(06-19-2018 11:00 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote: There are other aspects of the offense in those years that speak to outstanding play calling, such as the #12 3rd down conversion rate nationally in 2012 and #38 in 2013, when they were the #31 scoring offense nationally. In 2013 their red zone TD% was actually pretty good, 66.04%, which was 43rd nationally.
The 2010 offense was also his and that group was #20 nationally in scoring at 34.1 ppg.
It's hard to quantify the effect all those bad defenses had on the play calling as well. Once Troy got into scoring territory there had to be some inclination on his part to eat a little clock because giving the ball to the opponent was often going to result in giving some points back.
I'm not saying Brown isn't a very talented offensive mind, just that Edenfield's track record indicates he's probably better than given credit for.
We weren't always in clock-eating situations though. It was just poor offensive management. If you were to have been a Troy fan back then, you would have a better understanding since you would've seen multiple seasons of his offense at work.
Edenfield was indeed a good coach. But he wasn't so good that Troy fans were going to miss him after he left for USA. Almost every Troy fan was hoping that when Neal Brown came in he was going to change OC's or take over the playcalling duties himself. You might be able to dig into some message board archives on GoTroyTrojans.com and see how everyone felt about Edenfield at the end of 2013 and 2014 football seasons. Most of us were frustrated with the way the offense was being ran.
Maybe he'll take some tips he picked up while under Neal Brown and make his offense work better at USA than it did at Troy.
I do recall seeing his effectiveness debated in the last couple of years on some message boards.. There were definitely a few Troy fans that would agree with me, namely that the poor defense was the reason Troy declined during that time span.
Maybe another reason the offense seemed to leap forward under Brown was the improvement in offensive line coaching - something we can also look forward to at USA.
(06-19-2018 02:51 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote: I do recall seeing his effectiveness debated in the last couple of years on some message boards.. There were definitely a few Troy fans that would agree with me, namely that the poor defense was the reason Troy declined during that time span.
Maybe another reason the offense seemed to leap forward under Brown was the improvement in offensive line coaching - something we can also look forward to at USA.
Yes, D was really bad. Offense was mediocre, but our bigger issue was Defense... esp our secondary.
(06-19-2018 02:51 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote: I do recall seeing his effectiveness debated in the last couple of years on some message boards.. There were definitely a few Troy fans that would agree with me, namely that the poor defense was the reason Troy declined during that time span.
Maybe another reason the offense seemed to leap forward under Brown was the improvement in offensive line coaching - something we can also look forward to at USA.
Yes, D was really bad. Offense was mediocre, but our bigger issue was Defense... esp our secondary.
The defense was certainly the bigger reason for Troy's decline. I don't think any Troy fans will debate that.
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