(06-18-2018 11:00 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  I disagree with your premise that SU and Pitt were played. These discussions about the CFP took place at a much higher level with much more intimate details than us internet posters know about. Im sure the athletic depts at Pitt and SU were much more informed as to what was going on than you or I. They were dealing with details and facts to make informed decisions rather than premises.

Yes, it's an interesting idea, the notion that had the Big East stayed together, it would have made more money than the ACC. But there's no reason to think that.

Bottom line is the ACC had two trump cards in the sport that matters - FSU and Miami. That meant a tie-in to the Orange Bowl and guaranteed seat at the CFP table.

The Big East simply didn't have that, so we were bound to get left out. Heck the other Power leagues had been trying to figure out how to oust us from 2005 onwards.

Pitt and Syracuse did what they had to do to remain in the Big Leagues as the BCS transitioned to the CFP.

(06-18-2018 03:38 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

Quote:As i said, conference realignment is driven by football first, and since Georgetown didn't play D1 football, nobody would be leaving if we left.

Then how can you claim that Georgetown was also the heart and soul of the BE

Pitt vs WVU? WVU did have the shine of the recent Rich-Rod success, of thumping other Power conferences in the big bowls but Pitt IMO was a more established national brand. Pitt's pedigree went back way farther, and in college football, farther counts a lot.

As I explained, the "heart and soul" had nothing to do with football. The H&S of the Big East was developed during the 1980s and was based in basketball. Georgetown was as much a part of the core of the Big East as anyone, Syracuse included. Heck, one could argue that it was Georgetown more than anyone who put the Big East on the map.

It's pretty amazing that i have to explain this to a fan of an original Big East member.

And I HAVE given Syracuse plenty of credit. I agreed that Syracuse was integral to the Big East. I agree that as successful as the "new" Big East has been, it hasn't been the same without you.

Also, you raise an interesting point: I do agree that had Syracuse somehow got stuck in the AAC, then it would have been much harder for the C7 to leave. Leaving UConn was hard, leaving UConn and Syracuse would have been very hard, we probably wouldn't have wanted to. You could have kept that old part of the band together, that's a lot of impact.

I've also made it clear that I've never for a moment had bitterness about Syracuse leaving. It was a no-brainer to leave and I've always understood that. Never claimed you or Pitt "stabbed us in the back" or anything like that. You did what you had to do.

I just haven't agreed with you that you deserve all the credit (the 'heat and soul' stuff), and somehow that irks you.

Sorry about that.

(06-18-2018 03:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:38 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

Quote:As i said, conference realignment is driven by football first, and since Georgetown didn't play D1 football, nobody would be leaving if we left.

Then how can you claim that Georgetown was also the heart and soul of the BE

As I explained, the "heart and soul" had nothing to do with football. The H&S of the Big East was developed during the 1980s and was based in basketball. Georgetown was as much a part of the core of the Big East as anyone, Syracuse included. Heck, one could argue that it was Georgetown more than anyone who put the Big East on the map.

It's pretty amazing that i have to explain this to a fan of an original Big East member.

And I HAVE given Syracuse plenty of credit. I agreed that Syracuse was integral to the Big East. I agree that as successful as the "new" Big East has been, it hasn't been the same without you.

Also, you raise an interesting point: I do agree that had Syracuse somehow got stuck in the AAC, then it would have been much harder for the C7 to leave. Leaving UConn was hard, leaving UConn and Syracuse would have been very hard, we probably wouldn't have wanted to. You could have kept that old part of the band together, that's a lot of impact.

I've also made it clear that I've never for a moment had bitterness about Syracuse leaving. It was a no-brainer to leave and I've always understood that. Never claimed you or Pitt "stabbed us in the back" or anything like that. You did what you had to do.

I just haven't agreed with you that you deserve all the credit (the 'heat and soul' stuff), and somehow that irks you.

Sorry about that.

LOL, Quo,

Im not "irked" by it The fact that you took issue with me saying SU being the heart and soul of the BE and you wanting to slide Georgetown in there, well its pretty obvious who is "irked." But We will just have to agree to disagree about SU being the heart and soul of the BE.













Even though Im right!