(06-13-2018 11:16 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  I wonder if the ACC vs BIG at Wrigley will be an addition to the Detroit bowl or replace it, Does anyone know??

I would bet it is in addition to the Detroit Bowl. That bowl is owned by the Detroit Lions, so the B1G isn't likely to stiff them. Plus, the tweet says the B1G is likely to drop its affiliation with the San Francisco Bowl to make room for the Chicago bowl.

(06-13-2018 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 11:16 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  I wonder if the ACC vs BIG at Wrigley will be an addition to the Detroit bowl or replace it, Does anyone know??

I would bet it is in addition to the Detroit Bowl. That bowl is owned by the Detroit Lions, so the B1G isn't likely to stiff them. Plus, the tweet says the B1G is likely to drop its affiliation with the San Francisco Bowl to make room for the Chicago bowl.

That one could be a possible pick up for MW.


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I just did a quick count from the from the article, https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/artic...umbers-set

Maybe I am counting wrong I am getting 79 teams. So if the bowls go to 43 which includes the CFP Game. It appears there will be 5 more teams needed. Who gets those slots?

CONFERENCE TOTAL ALLOWABLE PRIMARY BOWL COMMITMENTS
American Athletic Conference 7
Atlantic Coast Conference 11
Big 12 Conference 7
Big Ten Conference 9
Conference USA 7
Mid-American Conference 6
Mountain West Conference 6
Pac-12 Conference 8
Southeastern Conference 11
Sun Belt Conference 5
Independents 0
Army West Point 1
Brigham Young 1

(06-13-2018 06:41 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I just did a quick count from the from the article, https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/artic...umbers-set

Maybe I am counting wrong I am getting 79 teams. So if the bowls go to 43 which includes the CFP Game. It appears there will be 5 more teams needed. Who gets those slots?

CONFERENCE TOTAL ALLOWABLE PRIMARY BOWL COMMITMENTS
American Athletic Conference 7
Atlantic Coast Conference 11
Big 12 Conference 7
Big Ten Conference 9
Conference USA 7
Mid-American Conference 6
Mountain West Conference 6
Pac-12 Conference 8
Southeastern Conference 11
Sun Belt Conference 5
Independents 0
Army West Point 1
Brigham Young 1

The numbers for the 10 conferences (minus the 5 NY6 tie-ins) add up to 72, accounting for all 36 bowls outside the NY6/CFP. Army and BYU can only secure a tie-in if the conferences don't take them all first.

Another article from ESPN, looks like the expect the new bowl contracts to be done before start of the upcoming season. http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...ie-list-11

Bowls begin the certifying process July 1, and new agreements with leagues are expected to be announced by the end of the summer.

Per the release:

"In order for a postseason football bowl game to be considered for NCAA certification, it will be required to have a historically supported commitment from two conferences and/or independent institutions."

So, if the maximum number of commitments allowed is 79, and to be certified you must have two commitments per bowl, how can there be 43 bowl games certified? Does that mean that any new bowls must replace existing ones that are no longer worthy of certification (due to poor financial performance)?

(06-14-2018 07:47 AM)ken d Wrote:  Per the release:

"In order for a postseason football bowl game to be considered for NCAA certification, it will be required to have a historically supported commitment from two conferences and/or independent institutions."

So, if the maximum number of commitments allowed is 79, and to be certified you must have two commitments per bowl, how can there be 43 bowl games certified? Does that mean that any new bowls must replace existing ones that are no longer worthy of certification (due to poor financial performance)?

Not necessarily. The Fiesta, Cotton and Peach Bowls have an exception since they are access bowls. (Essentially, *all* FBS schools are committed to them since they have agreed that the CFP selection committee can place any schools there.) One slot in the Orange Bowl is also a partial tie-in for the SEC/Big Ten/ND, so that’s not treated as a full commitment.

86 overall bowl slots - 7 slots noted above = 79

(06-14-2018 08:21 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:47 AM)ken d Wrote:  Per the release:

"In order for a postseason football bowl game to be considered for NCAA certification, it will be required to have a historically supported commitment from two conferences and/or independent institutions."

So, if the maximum number of commitments allowed is 79, and to be certified you must have two commitments per bowl, how can there be 43 bowl games certified? Does that mean that any new bowls must replace existing ones that are no longer worthy of certification (due to poor financial performance)?

Not necessarily. The Fiesta, Cotton and Peach Bowls have an exception since they are access bowls. (Essentially, *all* FBS schools are committed to them since they have agreed that the CFP selection committee can place any schools there.) One slot in the Orange Bowl is also a partial tie-in for the SEC/Big Ten/ND, so that’s not treated as a full commitment.

86 overall bowl slots - 7 slots noted above = 79

The 43 includes the CFP Championship Game, so there are actually "only" 84 overall bowl slots.

The NCAA’s setting new limits on the number of bowl ties each conference can have
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ences-2020

(06-14-2018 08:21 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:47 AM)ken d Wrote:  Per the release:

"In order for a postseason football bowl game to be considered for NCAA certification, it will be required to have a historically supported commitment from two conferences and/or independent institutions."

So, if the maximum number of commitments allowed is 79, and to be certified you must have two commitments per bowl, how can there be 43 bowl games certified? Does that mean that any new bowls must replace existing ones that are no longer worthy of certification (due to poor financial performance)?

Not necessarily. The Fiesta, Cotton and Peach Bowls have an exception since they are access bowls. (Essentially, *all* FBS schools are committed to them since they have agreed that the CFP selection committee can place any schools there.) One slot in the Orange Bowl is also a partial tie-in for the SEC/Big Ten/ND, so that’s not treated as a full commitment.

86 overall bowl slots - 7 slots noted above = 79

So basically, there are 7 at-large spots available in any given year. And based on historical performance, that means close to 7 schools every year with losing records.

(06-14-2018 10:18 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 08:21 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:47 AM)ken d Wrote:  Per the release:

"In order for a postseason football bowl game to be considered for NCAA certification, it will be required to have a historically supported commitment from two conferences and/or independent institutions."

So, if the maximum number of commitments allowed is 79, and to be certified you must have two commitments per bowl, how can there be 43 bowl games certified? Does that mean that any new bowls must replace existing ones that are no longer worthy of certification (due to poor financial performance)?

Not necessarily. The Fiesta, Cotton and Peach Bowls have an exception since they are access bowls. (Essentially, *all* FBS schools are committed to them since they have agreed that the CFP selection committee can place any schools there.) One slot in the Orange Bowl is also a partial tie-in for the SEC/Big Ten/ND, so that’s not treated as a full commitment.

86 overall bowl slots - 7 slots noted above = 79

So basically, there are 7 at-large spots available in any given year. And based on historical performance, that means close to 7 schools every year with losing records.

No, if all the conferences acquire their maximum allowed tie-ins, there will be no at-large spots outside the NY6.

(06-14-2018 10:31 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 10:18 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 08:21 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:47 AM)ken d Wrote:  Per the release:

"In order for a postseason football bowl game to be considered for NCAA certification, it will be required to have a historically supported commitment from two conferences and/or independent institutions."

So, if the maximum number of commitments allowed is 79, and to be certified you must have two commitments per bowl, how can there be 43 bowl games certified? Does that mean that any new bowls must replace existing ones that are no longer worthy of certification (due to poor financial performance)?

Not necessarily. The Fiesta, Cotton and Peach Bowls have an exception since they are access bowls. (Essentially, *all* FBS schools are committed to them since they have agreed that the CFP selection committee can place any schools there.) One slot in the Orange Bowl is also a partial tie-in for the SEC/Big Ten/ND, so that’s not treated as a full commitment.

86 overall bowl slots - 7 slots noted above = 79

So basically, there are 7 at-large spots available in any given year. And based on historical performance, that means close to 7 schools every year with losing records.

No, if all the conferences acquire their maximum allowed tie-ins, there will be no at-large spots outside the NY6.

Technically, the at-large spots are the six NY6 slots not reserved for the P5 champions and the G5 representative. But let's say the SEC has 11 eligible teams and 11 allowed tie-ins (including its Sugar Bowl tie-in). If two other SEC teams are picked for NY6 spots, then they only have 8 eligible teams to fill the other 10 tie-ins. Those unfilled commitments go to an at-large selection from among the pool of eligible teams. The same is true for other P5 conferences with more than one team in the NY6.

(06-14-2018 11:10 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 10:31 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 10:18 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 08:21 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:47 AM)ken d Wrote:  Per the release:

"In order for a postseason football bowl game to be considered for NCAA certification, it will be required to have a historically supported commitment from two conferences and/or independent institutions."

So, if the maximum number of commitments allowed is 79, and to be certified you must have two commitments per bowl, how can there be 43 bowl games certified? Does that mean that any new bowls must replace existing ones that are no longer worthy of certification (due to poor financial performance)?

Not necessarily. The Fiesta, Cotton and Peach Bowls have an exception since they are access bowls. (Essentially, *all* FBS schools are committed to them since they have agreed that the CFP selection committee can place any schools there.) One slot in the Orange Bowl is also a partial tie-in for the SEC/Big Ten/ND, so that’s not treated as a full commitment.

86 overall bowl slots - 7 slots noted above = 79

So basically, there are 7 at-large spots available in any given year. And based on historical performance, that means close to 7 schools every year with losing records.

No, if all the conferences acquire their maximum allowed tie-ins, there will be no at-large spots outside the NY6.

Technically, the at-large spots are the six NY6 slots not reserved for the P5 champions and the G5 representative. But let's say the SEC has 11 eligible teams and 11 allowed tie-ins (including its Sugar Bowl tie-in). If two other SEC teams are picked for NY6 spots, then they only have 8 eligible teams to fill the other 10 tie-ins. Those unfilled commitments go to an at-large selection from among the pool of eligible teams. The same is true for other P5 conferences with more than one team in the NY6.

Ah, I see.

(06-14-2018 11:15 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 11:10 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 10:31 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 10:18 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 08:21 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Not necessarily. The Fiesta, Cotton and Peach Bowls have an exception since they are access bowls. (Essentially, *all* FBS schools are committed to them since they have agreed that the CFP selection committee can place any schools there.) One slot in the Orange Bowl is also a partial tie-in for the SEC/Big Ten/ND, so that’s not treated as a full commitment.

86 overall bowl slots - 7 slots noted above = 79

So basically, there are 7 at-large spots available in any given year. And based on historical performance, that means close to 7 schools every year with losing records.

No, if all the conferences acquire their maximum allowed tie-ins, there will be no at-large spots outside the NY6.

Technically, the at-large spots are the six NY6 slots not reserved for the P5 champions and the G5 representative. But let's say the SEC has 11 eligible teams and 11 allowed tie-ins (including its Sugar Bowl tie-in). If two other SEC teams are picked for NY6 spots, then they only have 8 eligible teams to fill the other 10 tie-ins. Those unfilled commitments go to an at-large selection from among the pool of eligible teams. The same is true for other P5 conferences with more than one team in the NY6.

Ah, I see.

Thus why I am curious how they will handle conditional tie-ins. Using the ACC/B10 Citrus and SEC/B10/ND Tie-ins would likely be grandfathered since it is not part of the next cycle since the deal is tied to the Orange Bowl for 12 years. Just my guess, I guess those deals will not be included in the tie-in limit until those contracts are done. So in theory, ACC/B10/SEC will probably get will keep those deals along with the new number until the next CFP contract. Something the lawyers will figure out.

(06-14-2018 06:02 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 11:15 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 11:10 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 10:31 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 10:18 AM)ken d Wrote:  So basically, there are 7 at-large spots available in any given year. And based on historical performance, that means close to 7 schools every year with losing records.

No, if all the conferences acquire their maximum allowed tie-ins, there will be no at-large spots outside the NY6.

Technically, the at-large spots are the six NY6 slots not reserved for the P5 champions and the G5 representative. But let's say the SEC has 11 eligible teams and 11 allowed tie-ins (including its Sugar Bowl tie-in). If two other SEC teams are picked for NY6 spots, then they only have 8 eligible teams to fill the other 10 tie-ins. Those unfilled commitments go to an at-large selection from among the pool of eligible teams. The same is true for other P5 conferences with more than one team in the NY6.

Ah, I see.

Thus why I am curious how they will handle conditional tie-ins. Using the ACC/B10 Citrus and SEC/B10/ND Tie-ins would likely be grandfathered since it is not part of the next cycle since the deal is tied to the Orange Bowl for 12 years. Just my guess, I guess those deals will not be included in the tie-in limit until those contracts are done. So in theory, ACC/B10/SEC will probably get will keep those deals along with the new number until the next CFP contract. Something the lawyers will figure out.

Just allocate based on number of years guaranteed. Most of those deals say conference X will appear 2 times or such.

(06-14-2018 07:47 AM)ken d Wrote:  Per the release:

"In order for a postseason football bowl game to be considered for NCAA certification, it will be required to have a historically supported commitment from two conferences and/or independent institutions."

So, if the maximum number of commitments allowed is 79, and to be certified you must have two commitments per bowl, how can there be 43 bowl games certified? Does that mean that any new bowls must replace existing ones that are no longer worthy of certification (due to poor financial performance)?

Strange. The Historically part means a conference that had bowl tie ends. MVC, WAC, Southern and Southland had teams that went to bowl games. Idaho, RMAC, Lone Star, Washburn, GLIAC, The Patriot League, The CAA, OVC, MAIAA, Presbyterian, Ivy League, A-10, and so forth. What you posted said historical bowl bids, and there are many schools from FCS, D2, D3 and in the NAIA would qualified, but only in conferences that were formed before the first split in 1948 would count since many of them are still going like the RMAC, Lone Star, the 2 west coast d3 conferences in California and the northwest, and 2 NAIA conferences like the KCAC and the all mostly Kentucky conference.

(06-15-2018 03:55 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 07:47 AM)ken d Wrote:  Per the release:

"In order for a postseason football bowl game to be considered for NCAA certification, it will be required to have a historically supported commitment from two conferences and/or independent institutions."

So, if the maximum number of commitments allowed is 79, and to be certified you must have two commitments per bowl, how can there be 43 bowl games certified? Does that mean that any new bowls must replace existing ones that are no longer worthy of certification (due to poor financial performance)?

Strange. The Historically part means a conference that had bowl tie ends. MVC, WAC, Southern and Southland had teams that went to bowl games. Idaho, RMAC, Lone Star, Washburn, GLIAC, The Patriot League, The CAA, OVC, MAIAA, Presbyterian, Ivy League, A-10, and so forth. What you posted said historical bowl bids, and there are many schools from FCS, D2, D3 and in the NAIA would qualified, but only in conferences that were formed before the first split in 1948 would count since many of them are still going like the RMAC, Lone Star, the 2 west coast d3 conferences in California and the northwest, and 2 NAIA conferences like the KCAC and the all mostly Kentucky conference.

No. No it does not mean that. It is a four year HISTORICAL analysis and they have zero.

What the hell is wrong with people with this stupid I found a loophole bull****?
Trolling?
Insanity?

People have been complaining about ‘too many bowl games’ for at least 88 years now
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...bowl-games

(06-11-2018 10:38 AM)Bull Wrote:  I always want more CFB, not less... and I love having games all throughout the holidays.

If you guys who feel there are 'too many' bowls pretend they are just a 13th game to the regular season, do they become more palatable? That's basically what they are... small 2 team tournaments.

So what's the big deal?

I agree. Never too much football. I sure could use a game right now.

(06-15-2018 12:09 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 10:38 AM)Bull Wrote:  I always want more CFB, not less... and I love having games all throughout the holidays.

If you guys who feel there are 'too many' bowls pretend they are just a 13th game to the regular season, do they become more palatable? That's basically what they are... small 2 team tournaments.

So what's the big deal?

I agree. Never too much football. I sure could use a game right now.

CFL is on ESPN2 tonight