RE: ICE arrests 114 in raid of Ohio lawn & garden business
(06-05-2018 11:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:
(06-05-2018 09:54 PM)Kaplony Wrote: No criminal charges have been filed against Corso's, but the business is under investigation, authorities said. The raid included the seizure of business documents.
So nothing effective then....
Patience.
This raid was the result of another investigation involving fake identification documents thus the need for further investigation to determine if Corso's knew they were hiring illegals. A farming outfit here in SC was hit much the same way a few years back and they ended up with a huge fine a week or so after the raid.
Quote:HATTIESBURG, MS. (WDAM) - Howard industries in Laurel has been fined $2.5 million after pleading guilty to a single count of conspiracy in connection with an immigration raid that netted 600 illegal workers in August of 2008.
Attorneys representing Howard Industries appeared before Federal Judge Keith Starrett Thursday afternoon in Hattiesburg and entered the plea. Company representatives immediately paid the $2.5 million fine.
According to the U.S. Attorney's Office, Howard Industries encouraged and induced illegal aliens to reside in the U.S. even though the company knew or recklessly disregarded the law. The conspiracy also involved Howard Industries concealing, harboring, and shielding from detection illegal aliens.
Eagle Industries a Furniture maker in Bowling Green KY was fined for hiring illegal aliens. Not only that but for paying them less than others working there. It ended up putting them out of business.
90% of the people they hired were illegal or Refugees...around 400 employies. The company had built 22, two bedroom apts across from the factory and rented them for $850 a month (2.5x going rate at that time) and furnished then with 3 sets of bunk beds in each bedroom....12+ people lived in a 2 B'room apt. They also set up check cashing services on pay day.
(This post was last modified: 06-06-2018 01:29 PM by WKUYG.)
Quote:HATTIESBURG, MS. (WDAM) - Howard industries in Laurel has been fined $2.5 million after pleading guilty to a single count of conspiracy in connection with an immigration raid that netted 600 illegal workers in August of 2008.
Attorneys representing Howard Industries appeared before Federal Judge Keith Starrett Thursday afternoon in Hattiesburg and entered the plea. Company representatives immediately paid the $2.5 million fine.
According to the U.S. Attorney's Office, Howard Industries encouraged and induced illegal aliens to reside in the U.S. even though the company knew or recklessly disregarded the law. The conspiracy also involved Howard Industries concealing, harboring, and shielding from detection illegal aliens.
Eagle Industries a Furniture maker in Bowling Green KY was fined for hiring illegal aliens. Not only that but for paying them less than others working there. It ended up putting them out of business.
90% of the people they hired were illegal or Refugees...around 400 employies. The company had built 22, two bedroom apts across from the factory and rented them for $850 a month (2.5x going rate at that time) and furnished then with 3 sets of bunk beds in each bedroom....12+ people lived in a 2 B'room apt. They also set up check cashing services on pay day.
And this is what I'm talking about... these people are here illegally, but they're also being used and abused by businesses looking to cut costs.
Quote:HATTIESBURG, MS. (WDAM) - Howard industries in Laurel has been fined $2.5 million after pleading guilty to a single count of conspiracy in connection with an immigration raid that netted 600 illegal workers in August of 2008.
Attorneys representing Howard Industries appeared before Federal Judge Keith Starrett Thursday afternoon in Hattiesburg and entered the plea. Company representatives immediately paid the $2.5 million fine.
According to the U.S. Attorney's Office, Howard Industries encouraged and induced illegal aliens to reside in the U.S. even though the company knew or recklessly disregarded the law. The conspiracy also involved Howard Industries concealing, harboring, and shielding from detection illegal aliens.
Eagle Industries a Furniture maker in Bowling Green KY was fined for hiring illegal aliens. Not only that but for paying them less than others working there. It ended up putting them out of business.
90% of the people they hired were illegal or Refugees...around 400 employies. The company had built 22, two bedroom apts across from the factory and rented them for $850 a month (2.5x going rate at that time) and furnished then with 3 sets of bunk beds in each bedroom....12+ people lived in a 2 B'room apt. They also set up check cashing services on pay day.
And this is what I'm talking about... these people are here illegally, but they're also being used and abused by businesses looking to cut costs.
Businesses, no. Top administrators/managers, yes.
Just like you cannot blanket condemn the "FBI" and the "DOJ" for our current slate of corruption.
RE: ICE arrests 114 in raid of Ohio lawn & garden business
(06-06-2018 08:58 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:
(06-06-2018 08:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: There's likely a reason they never impose any serious penalties or jail time on the employers. Illegals are too great of a benefit to our business economy.
(06-06-2018 08:37 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote: It's the difference between not knowing and not WANTING to know. If someone applies for a minimum wage job (or one of those who pays "cash") that can't read, can't write, can't do basic math, and can't speak English, chances are pretty good they're NOT here legally.
Time use some good old fashion common sense. If that person gives you "all the right documents", it should be on the employer to make sure those documents are above the board.
I worked as a bouncer for many years. When we were checking ID's, we were expected to make sure it was legit. If a minor got in, the police wouldn't accept the "well, they showed me an ID" excuse. We were expected to check and question those that didn't seem right. No reason employers can't be held to the same standard.
The problem is that if that person gives you "all the right documents" then the employer has no reasonable way to prove the documents. OK, I can go spend half a day with e-verify and maybe I get an answer and maybe it's the right one--and maybe not. But I don't need the guy for half a day, I need him today.
The solution is permanent guest workers. The guy as a card (red card) that identifies him as legal. He has it or he doesn't. It has a photo so I can tell it's really him. You ad that when you were a bouncer. Employers don't have that.
Make it doable for employers, and then hold them accountable. But make it doable first.
Here, here. I've been for the bracero type program for years. These people want to work and that's commendable. Do the legal guest worker program and let them work but must go home when the season or time period is over. How you manage the time period issue is the problem. Do you let them stay forever or how would you do it. With picking up lettuce and suck there is a season but for other jobs there isn't so what do you guys think would work?
RE: ICE arrests 114 in raid of Ohio lawn & garden business
(06-06-2018 03:15 PM)olliebaba Wrote:
(06-06-2018 08:58 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:
(06-06-2018 08:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: There's likely a reason they never impose any serious penalties or jail time on the employers. Illegals are too great of a benefit to our business economy.
(06-06-2018 08:37 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote: It's the difference between not knowing and not WANTING to know. If someone applies for a minimum wage job (or one of those who pays "cash") that can't read, can't write, can't do basic math, and can't speak English, chances are pretty good they're NOT here legally.
Time use some good old fashion common sense. If that person gives you "all the right documents", it should be on the employer to make sure those documents are above the board.
I worked as a bouncer for many years. When we were checking ID's, we were expected to make sure it was legit. If a minor got in, the police wouldn't accept the "well, they showed me an ID" excuse. We were expected to check and question those that didn't seem right. No reason employers can't be held to the same standard.
The problem is that if that person gives you "all the right documents" then the employer has no reasonable way to prove the documents. OK, I can go spend half a day with e-verify and maybe I get an answer and maybe it's the right one--and maybe not. But I don't need the guy for half a day, I need him today.
The solution is permanent guest workers. The guy as a card (red card) that identifies him as legal. He has it or he doesn't. It has a photo so I can tell it's really him. You ad that when you were a bouncer. Employers don't have that.
Make it doable for employers, and then hold them accountable. But make it doable first.
Here, here. I've been for the bracero type program for years. These people want to work and that's commendable. Do the legal guest worker program and let them work but must go home when the season or time period is over. How you manage the time period issue is the problem. Do you let them stay forever or how would you do it. With picking up lettuce and suck there is a season but for other jobs there isn't so what do you guys think would work?
I'm fine with letting them stay permanently and letting their families come here. As long as there is no path to citizenship, I am fine with it. I am mixed on whether I would allow anchor baby citizenship in such cases.
(This post was last modified: 06-06-2018 03:58 PM by Owl 69/70/75.)
RE: ICE arrests 114 in raid of Ohio lawn & garden business
(06-06-2018 03:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:
(06-06-2018 03:15 PM)olliebaba Wrote:
(06-06-2018 08:58 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:
(06-06-2018 08:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: There's likely a reason they never impose any serious penalties or jail time on the employers. Illegals are too great of a benefit to our business economy.
(06-06-2018 08:37 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote: It's the difference between not knowing and not WANTING to know. If someone applies for a minimum wage job (or one of those who pays "cash") that can't read, can't write, can't do basic math, and can't speak English, chances are pretty good they're NOT here legally.
Time use some good old fashion common sense. If that person gives you "all the right documents", it should be on the employer to make sure those documents are above the board.
I worked as a bouncer for many years. When we were checking ID's, we were expected to make sure it was legit. If a minor got in, the police wouldn't accept the "well, they showed me an ID" excuse. We were expected to check and question those that didn't seem right. No reason employers can't be held to the same standard.
The problem is that if that person gives you "all the right documents" then the employer has no reasonable way to prove the documents. OK, I can go spend half a day with e-verify and maybe I get an answer and maybe it's the right one--and maybe not. But I don't need the guy for half a day, I need him today.
The solution is permanent guest workers. The guy as a card (red card) that identifies him as legal. He has it or he doesn't. It has a photo so I can tell it's really him. You ad that when you were a bouncer. Employers don't have that.
Make it doable for employers, and then hold them accountable. But make it doable first.
Here, here. I've been for the bracero type program for years. These people want to work and that's commendable. Do the legal guest worker program and let them work but must go home when the season or time period is over. How you manage the time period issue is the problem. Do you let them stay forever or how would you do it. With picking up lettuce and suck there is a season but for other jobs there isn't so what do you guys think would work?
I'm fine with letting them stay permanently and letting their families come here. As long as there is no path to citizenship, I am fine with it. I am mixed on whether I would allow anchor baby citizenship in such cases.
I'm not OK with allowing people who entered illegally to stay. If they did enter illegally then from Day 1 of their residency in the US they are a criminal. They can not point back to a time they've been here that they haven't been a criminal.
If they're here illegally and they have a job, are they being paid in cash or are they being paid through payroll with taxes deducted? If paid by cash, then they've broken other laws provided (under the assumption they're not filing fica or withholding taxes).
If they're here illegally do they have identification which they obtained legally, do they have identification which they obtained illegally, or do they not have any identification?
RE: ICE arrests 114 in raid of Ohio lawn & garden business
(06-06-2018 05:20 PM)umbluegray Wrote: I'm not OK with allowing people who entered illegally to stay. If they did enter illegally then from Day 1 of their residency in the US they are a criminal. They can not point back to a time they've been here that they haven't been a criminal.
If they're here illegally and they have a job, are they being paid in cash or are they being paid through payroll with taxes deducted? If paid by cash, then they've broken other laws provided (under the assumption they're not filing fica or withholding taxes).
If they're here illegally do they have identification which they obtained legally, do they have identification which they obtained illegally, or do they not have any identification?
No rewards for illegal entry.
Here's the problem. So they can't stay. What do you do with them? Send them back to Mexico (that's a generic Mexico, but most of them do come from there)? Mexico can't absorb them. So now we have a failed state on our southern border. Do you want Somalia right next door? I don't.
If you let them stay here and register them, then you can monitor them in ways that you can't now. You know who they are and where they are.
RE: ICE arrests 114 in raid of Ohio lawn & garden business
Ok Owl, I agree with most of what you say.
1. The ones that came in can have residence status but that's it. No road to citizenship. The only ones eligible for citizenship would be any members born while the parents are here.
2. Military aged persons will have to prove their patriotism by military service.
3. They cannot have any felonies during their stay in the US.
4. No anchor babies. That practice will have to stop, change the Constitution.
Any one posting here can come up with more rules if they want.
RE: ICE arrests 114 in raid of Ohio lawn & garden business
This is the kind of issue where republicans really piss me off. They keep screaming about deporting them, but they have to know that 1) isn't realistic and 2) ain't happening.
So why not come up with something that works. I think permanent guest workers solves the problems. It may need tweaking on a few details, but I think they could put something together that would get majority support and solve the problem.
Instead, they are just going to sit around with their thumbs up their asses until democrats find a way to ram amnesty through. That just keeps happening, issue after issue, and it frankly pisses me off.
One other thought I would have is that anybody who serves in the military and receives an honorable discharge is eligible for naturalization. I have never understood why this isn't the law.
(This post was last modified: 06-06-2018 06:25 PM by Owl 69/70/75.)
RE: ICE arrests 114 in raid of Ohio lawn & garden business
(06-06-2018 05:50 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:
(06-06-2018 05:20 PM)umbluegray Wrote: I'm not OK with allowing people who entered illegally to stay. If they did enter illegally then from Day 1 of their residency in the US they are a criminal. They can not point back to a time they've been here that they haven't been a criminal.
If they're here illegally and they have a job, are they being paid in cash or are they being paid through payroll with taxes deducted? If paid by cash, then they've broken other laws provided (under the assumption they're not filing fica or withholding taxes).
If they're here illegally do they have identification which they obtained legally, do they have identification which they obtained illegally, or do they not have any identification?
No rewards for illegal entry.
Here's the problem. So they can't stay. What do you do with them? Send them back to Mexico (that's a generic Mexico, but most of them do come from there)? Mexico can't absorb them. So now we have a failed state on our southern border. Do you want Somalia right next door? I don't.
If you let them stay here and register them, then you can monitor them in ways that you can't now. You know who they are and where they are.
The more important question. What happens to American citizens if you throw 12 million people out of the economy? The economy crashes. Immigration policy should be based on what's best for the American people. Unlimited immigration is bad. Unlimited deportation is bad.
We need to legalize them (picking a date such as 1/1/ 2018) without giving them any advantages on getting citizenship. But still be able to deport them if they commit crimes beyond illegal entry.
The problem needs to be dealt with gradually by stopping the inflow of new illegals and quickly deporting them.
RE: ICE arrests 114 in raid of Ohio lawn & garden business
(06-06-2018 06:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: This is the kind of issue where republicans really piss me off. They keep screaming about deporting them, but they have to know that 1) isn't realistic and 2) ain't happening.
So why not come up with something that works. I think permanent guest workers solves the problems. It may need tweaking on a few details, but I think they could put something together that would get majority support and solve the problem.
Instead, they are just going to sit around with their thumbs up their asses until democrats find a way to ram amnesty through. That just keeps happening, issue after issue, and it frankly pisses me off.
One other thought I would have is that anybody who serves in the military and receives an honorable discharge is eligible for naturalization. I have never understood why this isn't the law.
So you are OK with as many people that can get across the border saying for ever? Then You might as well give some states back to Mexico because that those right across the border will become mostly Mexicans. If its legal for them to come and go as they wish millions upon millions will be flooding those cities along the border. Then moving across the states to find work. I believe the birth rate for Hispanics is probably second only to Muslims. I might be wrong on that but I know its up there.
So we add another 100 million in the next 5 to 10 years not counting the births of Americans. Because if word got out that if you cross the border and "sign up" so the American Government can keep a eye on you....
easily be 10x as many people crossing our southern border. So now what does that do for the job market? The first thing it does is lower wages in the trade fields. It also raises rent because there would be a shortest of rental units. Wont matter to those crossing the border.....
they will family up and pay the $1200 a month for a $600 month apt. Then have 10 people living there.
What about schools and the increase class sizes and the number of teachers needed to be hired. Who's paying for those? Health care who's paying for the trips to the ER where it cost 10x the amount as going to a PC Doctor for that cold or bruised knee for little Juan?
That is just the beginning of the high cost and taxes needed. Lets not forget just because you start out without a path to citizenship does not mean that wont change when the Democrats control both houses and the White house.
(edit) Now if you are talking about most of the 10 million or so that's been in this country for a few years now and shown a work history and no government assistants or crimes. I can see that or most of it. But stop it there... those been here 5 years or longer.
(This post was last modified: 06-06-2018 10:32 PM by WKUYG.)
RE: ICE arrests 114 in raid of Ohio lawn & garden business
(06-06-2018 06:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: This is the kind of issue where republicans really piss me off. They keep screaming about deporting them, but they have to know that 1) isn't realistic and 2) ain't happening.
So why not come up with something that works. I think permanent guest workers solves the problems. It may need tweaking on a few details, but I think they could put something together that would get majority support and solve the problem.
Instead, they are just going to sit around with their thumbs up their asses until democrats find a way to ram amnesty through. That just keeps happening, issue after issue, and it frankly pisses me off.
One other thought I would have is that anybody who serves in the military and receives an honorable discharge is eligible for naturalization. I have never understood why this isn't the law.
Its not most Republicans that are that unrealistic. Only some. Its a minority in DC.
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