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RE: The "right way" to build a program
Didn't we beat Kennesaw . . . . . at their place . . . . in our SECOND year?

(This is what is called a "rhetorical question".)
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RE: The "right way" to build a program
(06-11-2018 07:21 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  
(06-11-2018 06:33 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  
(06-11-2018 06:23 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  If Fulmer did anything of substance, the administration did a terrible job of informing anyone. From what we know right now, his salary was a huge waste of money. Having said that, I think Torbush was a good hire and Sanders was a home run hire. Unfortunately, I expect to lose Sanders as soon as he is able to find a better job since we have already treated him terribly with the helmet situation. Other than building a stadium where half the stands are undesirable due to the sun and hiring an OC who wasn't very good, I don't think we have done much wrong. In hindsight, I guess the idea that players would stay for their 5th year was a bit naive.

I fear that the stadium issue is going to be a drag on the program for many years, similar to the way the Dome was. I have talked to several people who bought single game tickets to sit on the visitors side early in the year and they were absolutely miserable. Not the first impression you want to give these fans.

Would not the East stands of any stadium we could build be in the sun?

I don't claim to know the answer to the problem, but I do know that you really only have about 25% of the stadium that are attractive seats. The east side and the lower half of the home side simply aren't quality seats. We have to find a way, either with game times or some other way, to mitigate that issue. If fans don't enjoy the game day experience, it doesn't matter whether UT is playing at the same time or not, whether we are winning, etc.

Irony personified. Dome —- no sun, rain, snow, sleet, or cold problem. New place, all the above. BUT, show me an outdoor stadium without these issues. Note: at a Georgia game last year, those on the North side were in an oven on that hot afternoon that TV determined the start time.

More night games at ETSU out there in the fresh air evenings? The place is beautiful under the lights.
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RE: The "right way" to build a program
I agree. The simple answer is to play early-season games in the evening.

But, the SoCon prefers early start times, with the visiting team busing home immediately after the game. That way, they avoid either arriving back on campus in the wee hours or spending money for another night's accommodations.

So, the next time you are broiling in the east stands, take comfort knowing that these young, fit athletes will get home at a decent hour (maybe even in time to go clubbing).
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The "right way" to build a program
(06-12-2018 07:31 AM)seagrove10 Wrote:  Didn't we beat Kennesaw . . . . . at their place . . . . in our SECOND year?

(This is what is called a "rhetorical question".)


They also went to the playoffs last year and are in the preseason top five in one mag.
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RE: The "right way" to build a program
(06-11-2018 07:21 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  
(06-11-2018 06:33 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  
(06-11-2018 06:23 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  If Fulmer did anything of substance, the administration did a terrible job of informing anyone. From what we know right now, his salary was a huge waste of money. Having said that, I think Torbush was a good hire and Sanders was a home run hire. Unfortunately, I expect to lose Sanders as soon as he is able to find a better job since we have already treated him terribly with the helmet situation. Other than building a stadium where half the stands are undesirable due to the sun and hiring an OC who wasn't very good, I don't think we have done much wrong. In hindsight, I guess the idea that players would stay for their 5th year was a bit naive.

I fear that the stadium issue is going to be a drag on the program for many years, similar to the way the Dome was. I have talked to several people who bought single game tickets to sit on the visitors side early in the year and they were absolutely miserable. Not the first impression you want to give these fans.

Would not the East stands of any stadium we could build be in the sun?

I don't claim to know the answer to the problem, but I do know that you really only have about 25% of the stadium that are attractive seats. The east side and the lower half of the home side simply aren't quality seats. We have to find a way, either with game times or some other way, to mitigate that issue. If fans don't enjoy the game day experience, it doesn't matter whether UT is playing at the same time or not, whether we are winning, etc.

I will challenge the premise that the seats in the lower half of the home side are not quality seats. I sit there by choice, and I can afford to sit anywhere. I can see fine, and the day starts off in the sun, but by mid afternoon is in the shade.
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RE: The "right way" to build a program
(06-12-2018 12:49 PM)Buckyball Wrote:  
(06-11-2018 07:21 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  
(06-11-2018 06:33 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  
(06-11-2018 06:23 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  If Fulmer did anything of substance, the administration did a terrible job of informing anyone. From what we know right now, his salary was a huge waste of money. Having said that, I think Torbush was a good hire and Sanders was a home run hire. Unfortunately, I expect to lose Sanders as soon as he is able to find a better job since we have already treated him terribly with the helmet situation. Other than building a stadium where half the stands are undesirable due to the sun and hiring an OC who wasn't very good, I don't think we have done much wrong. In hindsight, I guess the idea that players would stay for their 5th year was a bit naive.

I fear that the stadium issue is going to be a drag on the program for many years, similar to the way the Dome was. I have talked to several people who bought single game tickets to sit on the visitors side early in the year and they were absolutely miserable. Not the first impression you want to give these fans.

Would not the East stands of any stadium we could build be in the sun?

I don't claim to know the answer to the problem, but I do know that you really only have about 25% of the stadium that are attractive seats. The east side and the lower half of the home side simply aren't quality seats. We have to find a way, either with game times or some other way, to mitigate that issue. If fans don't enjoy the game day experience, it doesn't matter whether UT is playing at the same time or not, whether we are winning, etc.

I will challenge the premise that the seats in the lower half of the home side are not quality seats. I sit there by choice, and I can afford to sit anywhere. I can see fine, and the day starts off in the sun, but by mid afternoon is in the shade.

Anywhere between the 40 yard markers was considered high quality seating at one time come rain, shine, sleet, or snow.
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(06-11-2018 10:07 PM)Buc76 Wrote:  Went to Wofford two years ago.

Fans and even a cheerleader passed out fromthe heat. To make matters worse, the lousy concession stand ran out of water before halftime.
That game was hot as heck. Also seriously how did they run out of water. We had to buy snowcones and drink them as they melt lel.
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There is nothing wrong with the lower level seating in the stadium. I also sit there by choice and the view is great. Sometimes I wonder if some people on this board have ever been to another football or basketball venue.

One if the best things that was done to the seating was to curve the seating rather than straightline the seats. It gives all fans a better sightline.
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(06-13-2018 10:28 AM)Buc76 Wrote:  There is nothing wrong with the lower level seating in the stadium. I also sit there by choice and the view is great. Sometimes I wonder if some people on this board have ever been to another football or basketball venue.

One if the best things that was done to the seating was to curve the seating rather than straightline the seats. It gives all fans a better sightline.

Agree 100%. U can go to any outdoor stadium and find a hot area.
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1. Complaining about the East side being poorly planned because it's in the sun - good grief. Sometimes it gets hot outside. I've been hot as can be at Neyland. People complained that the Dome wasn't outside in the elements, and then they complain about the elements. Football is great no matter the weather.

2. My seats are at the top row at an end section, and you couldn't give me low seats at the 50-yard line in a trade. I've sat at the bottom, and it's far too low. I personally like more of a bird's eye view in football, and our stadium seriously lacks that unless you can afford luxury box seats. Oh well, it's a pretty stadium regardless, and it's attractiveness is more important to drawing crowds than sightlines IMO.
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EVERY FOOTBALL STADIUM HAD LOW ROW SEATS.

If your preference is to have higher seats, fine, but quit complaining about the Bucs stadium having bad seating when its offers the same seating that is found in every other stadium.

I never seen or ever heard of an outdoor stadium that the lowest row started 20 feet off the ground and all the seats were in the shade.
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(06-13-2018 11:43 PM)Buc76 Wrote:  EVERY FOOTBALL STADIUM HAD LOW ROW SEATS.

If your preference is to have higher seats, fine, but quit complaining about the Bucs stadium having bad seating when its offers the same seating that is found in every other stadium.

I never seen or ever heard of an outdoor stadium that the lowest row started 20 feet off the ground and all the seats were in the shade.

Guess this discussion fully demonstrates the dead of college athletics summer. I’ll date myself — the old outdoor stadium had those notorious east stands facing straight into that sun, and one could get heated up there at an early fall afternoon game.

The new place, to me, looks like there’s not a bad seat anywhere — certainly easily accessible — in and out without all the cattle herding, line standing, mega congestion atmosphere of a big place.

Nothing wrong with an 8,000 to 10,000 attendance college football game now days given the hyper screen coverage now available for viewing from the old recliner. Besides, there are many half empty or more college football stadiums that were way overbuilt due to visions of grandeur at a number of those places pretending to be among the big boys. Of course, add to the ETSU stadium going forward based on reality/demand, not wishful thinking.
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My viewpoint, whether we are talking about football, basketball, or any other sport, is geared toward trying to get the casual fan to show up and spend money. There is a core group of individuals who will show up to any game (whether the team is winning or losing) in the rain, sun, or whatever and sit anywhere that they can catch a glimpse of the Bucs. It appears that there are about 3-4k of those fans when it comes to football. In my opinion, there are not enough of those fans locally to sustain the program long-term or to grow the program. Thus the need to get those who are casual football fans or simply supporters of ETSU but maybe not much of a football fan to come out, spend money, and enjoy the atmosphere.

Of course there are low level seats everywhere. But you can hardly see the band formations at the top row of our stadium- that is a problem that can't be addressed easily. Many of us like seats 25-40 rows from the field so we can watch the plays develop and not have to look through the players on the sidelines.

And of course the sun shines everywhere. But everyone has to admit that this was one of the biggest talking points about the game day atmosphere last season. When people have to leave early, move to the other side to occupy empty seats, etc., it doesn't affect the die-hard fans like the ones on this board. However, if we can do something related to the game times or dates to mitigate those issues we will have a much better crowd.

I know it is easy to say that fans "shouldn't" choose to not attend games due to things like parking at Freedom Hall, ticket prices, heat, and seat views- but the fact is that all of these things absolutely factor into attendance and more importantly growing our fan base.
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(06-14-2018 08:03 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  My viewpoint, whether we are talking about football, basketball, or any other sport, is geared toward trying to get the casual fan to show up and spend money. There is a core group of individuals who will show up to any game (whether the team is winning or losing) in the rain, sun, or whatever and sit anywhere that they can catch a glimpse of the Bucs. It appears that there are about 3-4k of those fans when it comes to football. In my opinion, there are not enough of those fans locally to sustain the program long-term or to grow the program. Thus the need to get those who are casual football fans or simply supporters of ETSU but maybe not much of a football fan to come out, spend money, and enjoy the atmosphere.

Of course there are low level seats everywhere. But you can hardly see the band formations at the top row of our stadium- that is a problem that can't be addressed easily. Many of us like seats 25-40 rows from the field so we can watch the plays develop and not have to look through the players on the sidelines.

And of course the sun shines everywhere. But everyone has to admit that this was one of the biggest talking points about the game day atmosphere last season. When people have to leave early, move to the other side to occupy empty seats, etc., it doesn't affect the die-hard fans like the ones on this board. However, if we can do something related to the game times or dates to mitigate those issues we will have a much better crowd.

I know it is easy to say that fans "shouldn't" choose to not attend games due to things like parking at Freedom Hall, ticket prices, heat, and seat views- but the fact is that all of these things absolutely factor into attendance and more importantly growing our fan base.

Even the mention of "sustaining the program long term" is ridiculous. No other school says stuff like that. The program is not going away.
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(06-14-2018 01:37 PM)brock20 Wrote:  
(06-14-2018 08:03 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  My viewpoint, whether we are talking about football, basketball, or any other sport, is geared toward trying to get the casual fan to show up and spend money. There is a core group of individuals who will show up to any game (whether the team is winning or losing) in the rain, sun, or whatever and sit anywhere that they can catch a glimpse of the Bucs. It appears that there are about 3-4k of those fans when it comes to football. In my opinion, there are not enough of those fans locally to sustain the program long-term or to grow the program. Thus the need to get those who are casual football fans or simply supporters of ETSU but maybe not much of a football fan to come out, spend money, and enjoy the atmosphere.

Of course there are low level seats everywhere. But you can hardly see the band formations at the top row of our stadium- that is a problem that can't be addressed easily. Many of us like seats 25-40 rows from the field so we can watch the plays develop and not have to look through the players on the sidelines.

And of course the sun shines everywhere. But everyone has to admit that this was one of the biggest talking points about the game day atmosphere last season. When people have to leave early, move to the other side to occupy empty seats, etc., it doesn't affect the die-hard fans like the ones on this board. However, if we can do something related to the game times or dates to mitigate those issues we will have a much better crowd.

I know it is easy to say that fans "shouldn't" choose to not attend games due to things like parking at Freedom Hall, ticket prices, heat, and seat views- but the fact is that all of these things absolutely factor into attendance and more importantly growing our fan base.

Even the mention of "sustaining the program long term" is ridiculous. No other school says stuff like that. The program is not going away.

Not going away unless Stanton’s former prediction finally comes to pass and most others at this level shut down and ETSU has no one to play. Now, the long term of college football as presently structured is up in the air, and who knows what will shake out.
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Gosh, I didn't mean that the program will go away, but rather that we wouldn't be able to sustain success (hiring quality coaches, etc.). Some on here completely choose to ignore my broader point in order to nitpick half of a sentence. I guess I will just stick to talking about basketball and letting you all live in fantasy land when it comes to football.
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(06-14-2018 03:26 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  Gosh, I didn't mean that the program will go away, but rather that we wouldn't be able to sustain success (hiring quality coaches, etc.). Some on here completely choose to ignore my broader point in order to nitpick half of a sentence. I guess I will just stick to talking about basketball and letting you all live in fantasy land when it comes to football.

You’re complaining about the heat the games. You are upset at Mother Nature.
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