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0n 9-17-22 I bet.

The state powers will see that we do not win, so what is the point? Oh wait, the Glass Bowl needs a ribbon board. Ahight, then.

(05-31-2018 10:24 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  The state powers will see that we do not win, so what is the point? Oh wait, the Glass Bowl needs a ribbon board. Ahight, then.

New east side lights first,please.

these huge name colleges ought be ashamed of trying to play away games at "neutral sites" because they dont want to lose in someone elses house.


win or go home.

With tv contracts and all, the economics aren't so easy to peanut gallery but I think it might be more a gate revenue issue than a home advantage.

What was UT's revenue from holding the game in Cleveland versus even a packed GB?

(06-01-2018 05:56 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  With tv contracts and all, the economics aren't so easy to peanut gallery but I think it might be more a gate revenue issue than a home advantage.

What was UT's revenue from holding the game in Cleveland versus even a packed GB?

Mike O'Brien has done a good job of making sure we always have six home games and sometimes seven home games, unlike NIU which will have two seasons of five home games due to their huge need for additional revenue. That being said, as far as one and done match ups go, Michigan State, Notre Dame, and Ohio State are pretty darn good and within driving distance for the team and most fans.

(06-01-2018 05:56 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  With tv contracts and all, the economics aren't so easy to peanut gallery but I think it might be more a gate revenue issue than a home advantage.

What was UT's revenue from holding the game in Cleveland versus even a packed GB?

Around $4 million if the numbers that were being thrown about were correct.

(06-01-2018 08:30 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(06-01-2018 05:56 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  With tv contracts and all, the economics aren't so easy to peanut gallery but I think it might be more a gate revenue issue than a home advantage.

What was UT's revenue from holding the game in Cleveland versus even a packed GB?

Around $4 million if the numbers that were being thrown about were correct.

Was that due to gate or contract or TV?

And what expected revenue it were held in the Glassbowl?

The question raised was reason the huge name teams wouldn't play a UT at home, is it the homefield advantage or something else. So I was wondering, if that big name team is reasonably close by, doesn't the smaller profile team, UT, have possibility of considerably more revenue holding the home game at a larger facility or is that advantage negated if tv money, essentially dwarfs the gate anyhow.

That of course doesn't negate the historical significance having a team like OSU in the Glassbowl would have, even if the stands would be over half scarlet, sigh.

I want to be surprised at some of the comments made on this post - but I am not. At some point you would think there would be an acceptance that the divide between the Power5 and the rest of college football is real. It is all about revenues and power. From a purist standpoint, you may want to argue that if we play in Columbus, then the Buckeyes should return the favor and play in the Glass Bowl. That will not happen. At this point in time it is also safe to say - it will NEVER happen. OSU giving us a home game in Cleveland stadium was all about the money. They agree to an "away" game in the base of one of their greatest recruiting areas. They got $1M for the game. Toledo gets the gate receipts - then pays OSU, the stadium, security, etc. I don't know how much they cleared net of the expenses - but I would venture to guess it equaled all of the revenues from their other 5 home games that year.

Why people complain about OSU is beyond me. They have provided us with exposure, a huge revenue source and have scheduled us more than any other Ohio team in the past 20 years. We can complain about the officiating (and rightfully so) but I would argue we have been screwed by officials on our own field as bad as, or worse - than in the 2011 game. Miami, Ohio in 2003 was much worse than OSU 2011.

(06-01-2018 11:12 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  I want to be surprised at some of the comments made on this post - but I am not. At some point you would think there would be an acceptance that the divide between the Power5 and the rest of college football is real. It is all about revenues and power. From a purist standpoint, you may want to argue that if we play in Columbus, then the Buckeyes should return the favor and play in the Glass Bowl. That will not happen. At this point in time it is also safe to say - it will NEVER happen. OSU giving us a home game in Cleveland stadium was all about the money. They agree to an "away" game in the base of one of their greatest recruiting areas. They got $1M for the game. Toledo gets the gate receipts - then pays OSU, the stadium, security, etc. I don't know how much they cleared net of the expenses - but I would venture to guess it equaled all of the revenues from their other 5 home games that year.

Why people complain about OSU is beyond me. They have provided us with exposure, a huge revenue source and have scheduled us more than any other Ohio team in the past 20 years. We can complain about the officiating (and rightfully so) but I would argue we have been screwed by officials on our own field as bad as, or worse - than in the 2011 game. Miami, Ohio in 2003 was much worse than OSU 2011.

Strongly disagree !! With the exception of the Syracuse debacle, no other game where the Rockets were flat out robbed of a win, was down in C-bus in 2011. That includes MAC, and non-conf. games. The refs were reprimanded, but the bottom line is, no MAC school was going to come out of the shoe with a win that day especially a particularly strong Toledo team.
And I have been going to UT games back when Roland Moss was toting the ball. You are correct on one thing Moto, and I call it the Golden Rule of college football, the schools with all the gold make all the rules...

(06-01-2018 08:30 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  [quote='eastisbest' pid='15324409' dateline='1527850589']
With tv contracts and all, the economics aren't so easy to peanut gallery but I think it might be more a gate revenue issue than a home advantage.

What was UT's revenue from holding the game in Cleveland versus even a packed GB?

Around $4 million if the numbers that were being thrown about were correct.
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How much did UT get from OSU for the Columbus game?

We could use the money. Maybe give our Assistant Coaches a raise since they are far, far down on the pay scale. Though I do not disagree with the Ribbon Boards and think they would help with aesthetics, we could use the money elsewhere. Anything is better than those stupid ads/billboards inside the GB. It would be a banner day in all of Rocket Football if we went down there and kicked their tails and then took their money. $$$$$
GO ROCKETS

(06-01-2018 12:49 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(06-01-2018 08:30 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  [quote='eastisbest' pid='15324409' dateline='1527850589']
With tv contracts and all, the economics aren't so easy to peanut gallery but I think it might be more a gate revenue issue than a home advantage.

What was UT's revenue from holding the game in Cleveland versus even a packed GB?

Around $4 million if the numbers that were being thrown about were correct.
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How much did UT get from OSU for the Columbus game?

I believe the last one was about $750K

We better get 1.5 million for the game and hopefully 2022 is the year Meyer leaves for the Browns head coaching job and Gradkowski makes his head coaching debut for the Rockets while delivering a signature win that turns into a decade long dominance for Toledo football

(06-01-2018 11:56 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(06-01-2018 11:12 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  I want to be surprised at some of the comments made on this post - but I am not. At some point you would think there would be an acceptance that the divide between the Power5 and the rest of college football is real. It is all about revenues and power. From a purist standpoint, you may want to argue that if we play in Columbus, then the Buckeyes should return the favor and play in the Glass Bowl. That will not happen. At this point in time it is also safe to say - it will NEVER happen. OSU giving us a home game in Cleveland stadium was all about the money. They agree to an "away" game in the base of one of their greatest recruiting areas. They got $1M for the game. Toledo gets the gate receipts - then pays OSU, the stadium, security, etc. I don't know how much they cleared net of the expenses - but I would venture to guess it equaled all of the revenues from their other 5 home games that year.

Why people complain about OSU is beyond me. They have provided us with exposure, a huge revenue source and have scheduled us more than any other Ohio team in the past 20 years. We can complain about the officiating (and rightfully so) but I would argue we have been screwed by officials on our own field as bad as, or worse - than in the 2011 game. Miami, Ohio in 2003 was much worse than OSU 2011.

Strongly disagree !! With the exception of the Syracuse debacle, no other game where the Rockets were flat out robbed of a win, was down in C-bus in 2011. That includes MAC, and non-conf. games. The refs were reprimanded, but the bottom line is, no MAC school was going to come out of the shoe with a win that day especially a particularly strong Toledo team.
And I have been going to UT games back when Roland Moss was toting the ball. You are correct on one thing Moto, and I call it the Golden Rule of college football, the schools with all the gold make all the rules...

I can think of a number of games that were worse than OSU in 2011. Ball State in Muncie in 2000 or 2001(three consecutive holding calls while going in for the winning score from the 9 yard line after a kick-off return by BSU that had an uncalled hold and a block in the back on it). Akron in the Rubber Bowl in Dan Williams senior year when he was tackled from behind as he rushed the QB. Completed pass and then Akron kicks a 50+ yard field goal to win the game. CMU in 1990 in Mt. Pleasant. I'll stand by the Miami game in 2002 ( I think I said 2003 before) in the Glass Bowl as the worst game I ever saw us get hosed in. I also remember the game in Columbus and the horrid calls on the kick-off return before halftime as well as the disparity in number of penalties. But I also remember Minnesota around 2001 also when a bubble screen for a TD was called back - and those refs also admitted they blew the call.

I remember the Miami game best of all because of a short verbal altercation I had with the refs as I just by chance crossed paths with them in the parking lot after the game when I let them know what I thought of their abilities as referees. The other reason I remember it is that one of the refs was killed later that night in an accident when a car ran a red light and crashed into the car the ref was in.

CMU is getting $1.75 million to play@Alabama in 2023.