So, I was listening to Rush on my way into town today, and he made a few points that I'd like to paraphrase.

The initial claim of Trump/Russia collusion has completely bombed out, so they are having to re-write the narrative as we speak. James Clapper is essentially out there saying that the reason they put a spy in Trump's campaign wasn't to TARGET Trump, but rather to PROTECT him, because they thought the Russians were trying to infiltrate the Trump campaign and disrupt our election process.

"Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper denied on Wednesday that the FBI sought to spy on President Trump's campaign, saying that the bureau used an informant to "determine what the Russians were up to."

"The intent though … was not to spy on the campaign, but rather to determine what the Russians were up to," Clapper said on PBS's "NewsHour."

"Were they trying to penetrate the campaign, gain access, gain leverage, gain influence?" he continued. "That was the concern the FBI had, and I think they were just doing their job in trying to protect out political system."

So... why didn't the FBI TELL Trump, if they were truly trying to "help"?

James Comey told Trump about the golden showers portion of the Steele Dossier, and has gone on TV multiple times saying he told him because he needed to make the President aware of potentially damaging info out there... in order to help Trump be prepared for it.

OK... so, if Comey was willing to "help" Trump by telling him that... WHY wasn't he willing to "help" Trump by telling him that they were going to spy on his campaign in the interests of national security? If Trump TRULY wasn't a target - why not tell him?

Well... we know why, now.

Comey has come out and said "his assignment" was to inform Trump about the dossier. Who gave Comey the assignment? James Clapper. But why did James Clapper want Trump informed about the dossier??

Clapper wanted Trump officially informed about the dossier so that they could call up CNN and make it an official news story. (Which CNN then won an award for their amazing journalism in covering the story.)

Everything about this mess has been an attempt to get rid of Donald Trump.

OH... and before the libs on the board come running in and saying "But Trey Gowdy said the FBI acted properly!"....

Gowdy NEVER SAW the subpoenaed documents that they had requested for their recent meeting with the DOJ. No documents were shown. So... I don't know what is up with Gowdy, but it seems as if the wagons are being circled, and for some reason, he is helping to protect the establishment.

Id also throw out that the bottom line is the events being discussed occurred in 2016. The US intelligence agencies had electronic monitoring, phones bugged, spies in the campaign, foreign spy network cooperation---all gathering information in real time in 2016. This all occurred with the Obama administration, that was hostile to Trump, a hostile Obama Justice Department, a hostile CIA, and a hostile Obama NSA--all in control of the law enforcement and investigative arms of the Federal Government. If there was collusion--they would have known it back in 2016. They certainly would have known it after culling though the evidence almost 2 years later. If there was collusion, that administration would have found it and prosecuted it.

The reality? If thier newly fashioned "narrative" is true----then they knew there was no collusion in 2016. If there was collusion, they would have charged Trump's campaign with wrongdoing in order to "protect" the country (their stated purpose per the new narrative). This also means the current investigation is a farce. The most sinister viewing of the current facts (which I happen to believe) is that the Obama administration manufactured the Russia Russia Russia crisis as an excuse to trigger a FISA warrant to spy on an opposing party--Watergate on "roids" if true.

By the way---its now being reported that the "spy" (that was there simply to "protect" the campaign from the Russians) tried to sell a story to 3 news outlets that Gen Flynn was engaged in an affair with a mistress. Why would an FBI spy who is supposed to be there just for protection do something like that?

Here's something I saw elsewhere.

Quote:Is there just a little corruption in DC?

This explains all.

From 2001 to 2005 there was an ongoing investigation into the Clinton Foundation.

A Grand Jury had been empaneled.

Governments from around the world had donated to the “Charity”.

Yet, from 2001 to 2003 none of those “Donations” to the Clinton Foundation were declared.

Hmmm, now you would think that an honest investigator would be able to figure this out.

Guess who took over this investigation in 2002?

Bet you can’t guess.

No other than James Comey.

Now, that’s interesting, isn’t it?

Guess who was transferred in to the Internal Revenue Service to run the Tax Exemption Branch of the IRS?

Your friend and mine,Lois “Be on The Look Out” (BOLO) Lerner.

Now, that’s interesting, isn’t it?

It gets better, well not really, but this is all just a series of strange coincidences, right?

Guess who ran the Tax Division inside the Department of Injustice from 2001 to 2005?

No other than the Assistant Attorney General of the United States, Rod Rosenstein.

Now, that’s interesting, isn’t it?

Guess who was the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation during this timeframe???

I know, it’s a miracle, just a coincidence, just an anomaly in statistics and chances, Robert Mueller.

What do all four casting characters have in common?

They all were briefed and/or were front line investigators into the Clinton Foundation Investigation.

Now that’s just a coincidence, right?

Ok, lets chalk the last one up to mere chance.

Let’s fast forward to 2009.

James Comey leaves the Justice Department to go and cash-in at Lockheed Martin.

Hillary Clinton is running the State Department, on her own personal email server by the way.

The Uranium One “issue” comes to the attention of the Hillary.

Like all good public servants do, you know looking out for America’s best interest, she decides to support the decision and approve the sale of 20% of US Uranium to no other than, the Russians.

Now you would think that this is a fairly straight up deal, except it wasn’t, the People got absolutely nothing out of it.

However, prior to the sales approval, no other than Bill Clinton goes to Moscow, gets paid 500K for a one hour speech then meets with Vladimir Putin at his home for a few hours.

Ok, no big deal right?

Well, not so fast, the FBI had a mole inside the money laundering and bribery scheme.

Guess who was the FBI Director during this timeframe?

Yep, Robert Mueller.

He even delivered a Uranium Sample to Moscow in 2009.

Guess who was handling that case within the Justice Department out of the US Attorney’s Office in Maryland.

No other than, Rod Rosenstein.

Guess what happened to the informant?

The Department of Justice placed a GAG order on him and threatened to lock him up if he spoke out about it.

How does 20% of the most strategic asset of the United States of America end up in Russian hands when the FBI has an informant, a mole providing inside information to the FBI on the criminal enterprise?

Guess what happened soon after the sale was approved?

~145 million dollars in “donations” made their way into the Clinton Foundation from entities directly connected to the Uranium One deal.

Guess who was still at the Internal Revenue Service working the Charitable Division?

No other than, Lois Lerner.

Ok, that’s all just another series of coincidences, nothing to see here, right?

Let’s fast forward to 2015.

Due to a series of tragic events in Benghazi and after the 9 “investigations” the House, Senate and at State Department, Trey Gowdy who was running the 10th investigation as Chairman of the Select Committee on Benghazi discovers that the Hillary ran the State Department on an unclassified, unauthorized, outlaw personal email server.

He also discovered that none of those emails had been turned over when she departed her “Public Service” as Secretary of State which was required by law.

He also discovered that there was Top Secret information contained within her personally archived email.

Sparing you the State Departments cover up, the nostrums they floated, the delay tactics that were employed and the outright lies that were spewed forth from the necks of the Kerry State Department, we shall leave it with this…… they did everything humanly possible to cover for Hillary.

Now this is amazing, guess who became FBI Director in 2013?

Guess who secured 17 no bid contracts for his employer (Lockheed Martin) with the State Department and was rewarded with a six million dollar thank you present when he departed his employer.

No other than James Comey.

Amazing how all those no-bids just went right through at State, huh?

Now he is the FBI Director in charge of the “Clinton Email Investigation” after of course his FBI Investigates the Lois Lerner “Matter” at the Internal Revenue Service and exonerates her.

Nope couldn’t find any crimes there.

Can you guess what happened next?

In April 2016, James Comey drafts an exoneration letter of Hillary Rodham Clinton, meanwhile the DOJ is handing out immunity deals like candy.

They didn’t even convene a Grand Jury.

Like a lightning bolt of statistical impossibility, like a miracle from God himself, like the true “Gangsta” Homey is, James steps out into the cameras of an awaiting press conference on July the 8th of 2016, and exonerates the Hillary from any wrongdoing.

Can you see the pattern?

It goes on and on, Rosenstein becomes Asst. Attorney General, Comey gets fired based upon a letter by Rosenstein, Comey leaks government information to the press, Mueller is assigned to the Russian Investigation sham by Rosenstein to provide cover for decades of malfeasance within the FBI and DOJ and the story continues.

FISA Abuse, political espionage..... pick a crime, any crime, chances are...... this group and a few others did it.

All the same players.

All compromised and conflicted.

All working fervently to NOT go to jail themselves.

All connected in one way or another to the Clinton's.

They are like battery acid, they corrode and corrupt everything they touch.

How many lives have these two destroyed?

As of this writing, the Clinton Foundation, in its 20+ years of operation of being the largest International Charity Fraud in the history of mankind, has never been audited by the Internal Revenue Service.

Let us not forget that Comey's brother works for DLA Piper, the law firm that does the Clinton Foundation's taxes

(05-31-2018 02:26 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Here's something I saw elsewhere.

Quote:Is there just a little corruption in DC?

This explains all.

From 2001 to 2005 there was an ongoing investigation into the Clinton Foundation.

A Grand Jury had been empaneled.

Governments from around the world had donated to the “Charity”.

Yet, from 2001 to 2003 none of those “Donations” to the Clinton Foundation were declared.

Hmmm, now you would think that an honest investigator would be able to figure this out.

Guess who took over this investigation in 2002?

Bet you can’t guess.

No other than James Comey.

Now, that’s interesting, isn’t it?

Guess who was transferred in to the Internal Revenue Service to run the Tax Exemption Branch of the IRS?

Your friend and mine,Lois “Be on The Look Out” (BOLO) Lerner.

Now, that’s interesting, isn’t it?

It gets better, well not really, but this is all just a series of strange coincidences, right?

Guess who ran the Tax Division inside the Department of Injustice from 2001 to 2005?

No other than the Assistant Attorney General of the United States, Rod Rosenstein.

Now, that’s interesting, isn’t it?

Guess who was the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation during this timeframe???

I know, it’s a miracle, just a coincidence, just an anomaly in statistics and chances, Robert Mueller.

What do all four casting characters have in common?

They all were briefed and/or were front line investigators into the Clinton Foundation Investigation.

Now that’s just a coincidence, right?

Ok, lets chalk the last one up to mere chance.

Let’s fast forward to 2009.

James Comey leaves the Justice Department to go and cash-in at Lockheed Martin.

Hillary Clinton is running the State Department, on her own personal email server by the way.

The Uranium One “issue” comes to the attention of the Hillary.

Like all good public servants do, you know looking out for America’s best interest, she decides to support the decision and approve the sale of 20% of US Uranium to no other than, the Russians.

Now you would think that this is a fairly straight up deal, except it wasn’t, the People got absolutely nothing out of it.

However, prior to the sales approval, no other than Bill Clinton goes to Moscow, gets paid 500K for a one hour speech then meets with Vladimir Putin at his home for a few hours.

Ok, no big deal right?

Well, not so fast, the FBI had a mole inside the money laundering and bribery scheme.

Guess who was the FBI Director during this timeframe?

Yep, Robert Mueller.

He even delivered a Uranium Sample to Moscow in 2009.

Guess who was handling that case within the Justice Department out of the US Attorney’s Office in Maryland.

No other than, Rod Rosenstein.

Guess what happened to the informant?

The Department of Justice placed a GAG order on him and threatened to lock him up if he spoke out about it.

How does 20% of the most strategic asset of the United States of America end up in Russian hands when the FBI has an informant, a mole providing inside information to the FBI on the criminal enterprise?

Guess what happened soon after the sale was approved?

~145 million dollars in “donations” made their way into the Clinton Foundation from entities directly connected to the Uranium One deal.

Guess who was still at the Internal Revenue Service working the Charitable Division?

No other than, Lois Lerner.

Ok, that’s all just another series of coincidences, nothing to see here, right?

Let’s fast forward to 2015.

Due to a series of tragic events in Benghazi and after the 9 “investigations” the House, Senate and at State Department, Trey Gowdy who was running the 10th investigation as Chairman of the Select Committee on Benghazi discovers that the Hillary ran the State Department on an unclassified, unauthorized, outlaw personal email server.

He also discovered that none of those emails had been turned over when she departed her “Public Service” as Secretary of State which was required by law.

He also discovered that there was Top Secret information contained within her personally archived email.

Sparing you the State Departments cover up, the nostrums they floated, the delay tactics that were employed and the outright lies that were spewed forth from the necks of the Kerry State Department, we shall leave it with this…… they did everything humanly possible to cover for Hillary.

Now this is amazing, guess who became FBI Director in 2013?

Guess who secured 17 no bid contracts for his employer (Lockheed Martin) with the State Department and was rewarded with a six million dollar thank you present when he departed his employer.

No other than James Comey.

Amazing how all those no-bids just went right through at State, huh?

Now he is the FBI Director in charge of the “Clinton Email Investigation” after of course his FBI Investigates the Lois Lerner “Matter” at the Internal Revenue Service and exonerates her.

Nope couldn’t find any crimes there.

Can you guess what happened next?

In April 2016, James Comey drafts an exoneration letter of Hillary Rodham Clinton, meanwhile the DOJ is handing out immunity deals like candy.

They didn’t even convene a Grand Jury.

Like a lightning bolt of statistical impossibility, like a miracle from God himself, like the true “Gangsta” Homey is, James steps out into the cameras of an awaiting press conference on July the 8th of 2016, and exonerates the Hillary from any wrongdoing.

Can you see the pattern?

It goes on and on, Rosenstein becomes Asst. Attorney General, Comey gets fired based upon a letter by Rosenstein, Comey leaks government information to the press, Mueller is assigned to the Russian Investigation sham by Rosenstein to provide cover for decades of malfeasance within the FBI and DOJ and the story continues.

FISA Abuse, political espionage..... pick a crime, any crime, chances are...... this group and a few others did it.

All the same players.

All compromised and conflicted.

All working fervently to NOT go to jail themselves.

All connected in one way or another to the Clinton's.

They are like battery acid, they corrode and corrupt everything they touch.

How many lives have these two destroyed?

As of this writing, the Clinton Foundation, in its 20+ years of operation of being the largest International Charity Fraud in the history of mankind, has never been audited by the Internal Revenue Service.

Let us not forget that Comey's brother works for DLA Piper, the law firm that does the Clinton Foundation's taxes

(05-31-2018 01:24 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  So, I was listening to Rush on my way into town today, and he made a few points that I'd like to paraphrase.

The initial claim of Trump/Russia collusion has completely bombed out, so they are having to re-write the narrative as we speak. James Clapper is essentially out there saying that the reason they put a spy in Trump's campaign wasn't to TARGET Trump, but rather to PROTECT him, because they thought the Russians were trying to infiltrate the Trump campaign and disrupt our election process.

"Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper denied on Wednesday that the FBI sought to spy on President Trump's campaign, saying that the bureau used an informant to "determine what the Russians were up to."

"The intent though … was not to spy on the campaign, but rather to determine what the Russians were up to," Clapper said on PBS's "NewsHour."

"Were they trying to penetrate the campaign, gain access, gain leverage, gain influence?" he continued. "That was the concern the FBI had, and I think they were just doing their job in trying to protect out political system."

So... why didn't the FBI TELL Trump, if they were truly trying to "help"?

James Comey told Trump about the golden showers portion of the Steele Dossier, and has gone on TV multiple times saying he told him because he needed to make the President aware of potentially damaging info out there... in order to help Trump be prepared for it.

OK... so, if Comey was willing to "help" Trump by telling him that... WHY wasn't he willing to "help" Trump by telling him that they were going to spy on his campaign in the interests of national security? If Trump TRULY wasn't a target - why not tell him?

Well... we know why, now.

Comey has come out and said "his assignment" was to inform Trump about the dossier. Who gave Comey the assignment? James Clapper. But why did James Clapper want Trump informed about the dossier??

Clapper wanted Trump officially informed about the dossier so that they could call up CNN and make it an official news story. (Which CNN then won an award for their amazing journalism in covering the story.)

Everything about this mess has been an attempt to get rid of Donald Trump.

OH... and before the libs on the board come running in and saying "But Trey Gowdy said the FBI acted properly!"....

Gowdy NEVER SAW the subpoenaed documents that they had requested for their recent meeting with the DOJ. No documents were shown. So... I don't know what is up with Gowdy, but it seems as if the wagons are being circled, and for some reason, he is helping to protect the establishment.

One question that needs answering that would undo all of this. Why did Comey tell Trump that he himself wasn't under investigation, but refuse to tell the media? IF the intent was to protect Trump and his campaign, why let the media run with all the conspiracy theory stories about Trump being the subject of the investigation and the investigation being about collusion?

Four words: sting operation, smear campaign

(05-31-2018 02:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Id also throw out that the bottom line is the events being discussed occurred in 2016. The US intelligence agencies had electronic monitoring, phones bugged, spies in the campaign, foreign spy network cooperation---all gathering information in real time in 2016. This all occurred with the Obama administration, that was hostile to Trump, a hostile Obama Justice Department, a hostile CIA, and a hostile Obama NSA--all in control of the law enforcement and investigative arms of the Federal Government. If there was collusion--they would have known it back in 2016. They certainly would have known it after culling though the evidence almost 2 years later. If there was collusion, that administration would have found it and prosecuted it.

The reality? If thier newly fashioned "narrative" is true----then they knew there was no collusion in 2016. If there was collusion, they would have charged Trump's campaign with wrongdoing in order to "protect" the country (their stated purpose per the new narrative). This also means the current investigation is a farce. The most sinister viewing of the current facts (which I happen to believe) is that the Obama administration manufactured the Russia Russia Russia crisis as an excuse to trigger a FISA warrant to spy on an opposing party--Watergate on "roids" if true.

By the way---its now being reported that the "spy" (that was there simply to "protect" the campaign from the Russians) tried to sell a story to 3 news outlets that Gen Flynn was engaged in an affair with a mistress. Why would an FBI spy who is supposed to be there just for protection do something like that?

Russian mistress? Linky please.

There are lots of assumptions as you get deeper into the claims and IMO, the best way to address these things is to stick to the undeniable....

If you didn't suspect Trump, why would you tell him about the golden showers (which if true, he certainly would have been involved in) and tell the DNC more than a year ago about Russia's attempts to hack their email, and NOT tell Trump about Russia's attempts to infiltrate/influence his campaign?

(05-31-2018 04:21 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Four words: sting operation, smear campaign

Two more:
Sedition
Treason