https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/30/politics/...index.html

This is long overdue, and frankly he should get credit for doing this while Obama with the half ton of paper that was the Obamacare bill never did this.

It's a win for patients with terminal illnesses and their families because maybe it will save or prolong some lives.

It's a win for medical science because we may have reached the limit on what we can learn about drugs from animal models and it will move along the process of drugs that are waiting to be tested in a clinical setting.

It's a win for pharma companies because it might very well expedite the process of getting their experimental drugs to market.

I literally can't see a single downside.

This is fantastic news.

This really is a situation where if it saves one life, it's worth it.

Common sense at work again.

Finally. A man with common sense in the White House.

Great news. Should have been done decades ago.

The same cabal of Democrats vote against it. The very ones that want to run against Trump. Keep it up fruitcakes, y’all make it easy.

Sounds fine to me. But the Senate passed it unanimously last year and Trump specifically thanked a Democrat (Donnally of Indiana) as one of four politicians to help it get passed in the House so blaming the Democrats seems a bit of a reach.

My only fear would be that it will give out some false hope to the terminally ill as (a) they still won't be able to necessarily get access to some of the drugs being tested, and (b) there's nothing that guarantees any of them will work even if they do get to try them (but I realize that's the point - let's see how they do). I would also hope the drug companies aren't charging ridiculous prices to those people to test them out.

I've always been struck by the hopelessness of the rich celebrities who are dying of some diseases traveling to Mexico or some similar place for some experimental drugs/therapy. Steve McQueen dying of cancer was one of those who did that. They never seem to work out with happy results. Hopefully this will lead to better conclusions for someone at least.

(05-31-2018 07:09 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Sounds fine to me. But the Senate passed it unanimously last year and Trump specifically thanked a Democrat (Donnally of Indiana) as one of four politicians to help it get passed in the House so blaming the Democrats seems a bit of a reach.

My only fear would be that it will give out some false hope to the terminally ill as (a) they still won't be able to necessarily get access to some of the drugs being tested, and (b) there's nothing that guarantees any of them will work even if they do get to try them (but I realize that's the point - let's see how they do). I would also hope the drug companies aren't charging ridiculous prices to those people to test them out.

I've always been struck by the hopelessness of the rich celebrities who are dying of some diseases traveling to Mexico or some similar place for some experimental drugs/therapy. Steve McQueen dying of cancer was one of those who did that. They never seem to work out with happy results. Hopefully this will lead to better conclusions for someone at least.

oh my....just oh my.....

there's no way you went to Rice U.

(05-31-2018 07:09 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Sounds fine to me. But the Senate passed it unanimously last year and Trump specifically thanked a Democrat (Donnally of Indiana) as one of four politicians to help it get passed in the House so blaming the Democrats seems a bit of a reach.

My only fear would be that it will give out some false hope to the terminally ill as (a) they still won't be able to necessarily get access to some of the drugs being tested, and (b) there's nothing that guarantees any of them will work even if they do get to try them (but I realize that's the point - let's see how they do). I would also hope the drug companies aren't charging ridiculous prices to those people to test them out.

I've always been struck by the hopelessness of the rich celebrities who are dying of some diseases traveling to Mexico or some similar place for some experimental drugs/therapy. Steve McQueen dying of cancer was one of those who did that. They never seem to work out with happy results. Hopefully this will lead to better conclusions for someone at least.

My cousin who passed away last September from cancer would've gladly tried anything. He had wasted away to about 90 lbs. When he went to the doctor they told him there was something to try but it was experimental and if he was ok he could sign up to get on a list to be a test subject. That was August. He passed in September still filling out paperwork.

My cousin had no bones about it being near the end. But he would've tried anything to at least marry his fiancee.

I don't see it as false hope. I see it as a chance for another sunrise or sunset. There's no doubt in my mind what happens when I draw my last breath, but that doesn't mean I want to leave my wife and son anytime soon. One more kiss from my wife. One more evening of chasing my kid and tickling him. It's not false hope. It's peace of mind.

(05-31-2018 07:13 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 07:09 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Sounds fine to me. But the Senate passed it unanimously last year and Trump specifically thanked a Democrat (Donnally of Indiana) as one of four politicians to help it get passed in the House so blaming the Democrats seems a bit of a reach.

My only fear would be that it will give out some false hope to the terminally ill as (a) they still won't be able to necessarily get access to some of the drugs being tested, and (b) there's nothing that guarantees any of them will work even if they do get to try them (but I realize that's the point - let's see how they do). I would also hope the drug companies aren't charging ridiculous prices to those people to test them out.

I've always been struck by the hopelessness of the rich celebrities who are dying of some diseases traveling to Mexico or some similar place for some experimental drugs/therapy. Steve McQueen dying of cancer was one of those who did that. They never seem to work out with happy results. Hopefully this will lead to better conclusions for someone at least.

oh my....just oh my.....

there's no way you went to Rice U.

I know its scary but we are on the same though wave, a lot of times. I just started to post...I thought you had to be really smart to get into Rice.


I guess common sense is not part of that. That is one dumb f'ing post by Owl

(05-31-2018 07:09 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Sounds fine to me. But the Senate passed it unanimously last year and Trump specifically thanked a Democrat (Donnally of Indiana) as one of four politicians to help it get passed in the House so blaming the Democrats seems a bit of a reach.

My only fear would be that it will give out some false hope to the terminally ill as (a) they still won't be able to necessarily get access to some of the drugs being tested, and (b) there's nothing that guarantees any of them will work even if they do get to try them (but I realize that's the point - let's see how they do). I would also hope the drug companies aren't charging ridiculous prices to those people to test them out.

I've always been struck by the hopelessness of the rich celebrities who are dying of some diseases traveling to Mexico or some similar place for some experimental drugs/therapy. Steve McQueen dying of cancer was one of those who did that. They never seem to work out with happy results. Hopefully this will lead to better conclusions for someone at least.

Incredibly stupid post. There is no such thing as "false hope". There is only hope or hopelessness.

This is a good thing. When you are terminally ill what's the worst that can happen, you live longer? That's kind of the goal.

Good job Mr. President

(05-30-2018 04:11 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/30/politics/...index.html

This is long overdue, and frankly he should get credit for doing this while Obama with the half ton of paper that was the Obamacare bill never did this.

It's a win for patients with terminal illnesses and their families because maybe it will save or prolong some lives.

It's a win for medical science because we may have reached the limit on what we can learn about drugs from animal models and it will move along the process of drugs that are waiting to be tested in a clinical setting.

It's a win for pharma companies because it might very well expedite the process of getting their experimental drugs to market.

I literally can't see a single downside.

Yup.

Quick personal account-

Met the lovely and talented Ms. Dunk, yea so many years ago. We’re dating, we get engaged, plan the wedding some ten months or so out from there.

She gets a phone call. After an awkward tennis swing her mother thinks she may have cracked a rib or something. Dealt with it for few days, but the pain became too much.

Goes to Doc, X-rays whatever and yup, cracked rib indeed. Problem was, it wasn’t the tennis swing, it was the multiple myeloma that had spread quickly through her body since her last regular exam.

Long story longer, there are varying approaches- make comfy, prepare to say goodbye. Go the periodic chemo type route, see if you can stave it off, OR there’s this one place in Arizona that’s doing cutting edge stuff in basically experimental stages and would take six months to a year.

Welp, a year it was. Family and friends rotated in and out to act as informal “caregivers”, cooking for her, laundry, doc and hospital visits etc.

LOTs of hills and valleys since, many setbacks, yet many successes too.

She didn’t think she’d even see her eldest daughter get married, let alone her other two still in school. Now she’s seen two of her her grandkids graduate High School and head off to college themselves. The other four soon to follow. It’s been more than 25 years.

There are entire studies, journals, courses written and now taught on her case alone.

Point of all this- if there hadn’t been this emerging program, one you had to OPT-IN too, there’s no chance she’d still be with us.

They weighed the options, decided on the long-shot and obviously its paid off in bushel baskets.

Not to mention the hundreds, thousands, perhaps even millions one day of other lives her case will aid in treating going forward.

Many call it a miracle, fine, I call it kickass science...

(05-31-2018 07:09 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Sounds fine to me. But the Senate passed it unanimously last year and Trump specifically thanked a Democrat (Donnally of Indiana) as one of four politicians to help it get passed in the House so blaming the Democrats seems a bit of a reach.

My only fear would be that it will give out some false hope to the terminally ill as (a) they still won't be able to necessarily get access to some of the drugs being tested, and (b) there's nothing that guarantees any of them will work even if they do get to try them (but I realize that's the point - let's see how they do). I would also hope the drug companies aren't charging ridiculous prices to those people to test them out.

I've always been struck by the hopelessness of the rich celebrities who are dying of some diseases traveling to Mexico or some similar place for some experimental drugs/therapy. Steve McQueen dying of cancer was one of those who did that. They never seem to work out with happy results. Hopefully this will lead to better conclusions for someone at least.

Good grief. Even false hope is better than NO hope. Sometimes hopes all you got. And frankly, I honestly believe state of mind is a very important component of overcoming any major setback, medical or otherwise.

Once you’ve lost hope, you’ve lost the war, not just the battle.