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CUSA pod system scheduling - Should CAA adapt
http://conferenceusa.com/news/2018/5/29/...edule.aspx

Take at this read. The 14 team CUSA is replacing the final 4 games of the regular season with wild card pod games. Teams will play everyone 1x (13 games) and their rival/travel partner one additional time (1 game). The final four games will be determined by which pod you are in. Teams 1-5 will be pod 1, 6-10 pod 2, and 11-14 pod 3. So if you are CUSA leader after 13 games you know longer have to go on the road and play a trap game against a bottom ranked team. Your remaining games would be against the best the best the conference can offer.

An interesting idea for sure. I don't know if the CAA could adopt something like that due to travel cost concerns even if it was deemed a good idea
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RE: CUSA pod system scheduling - Should CAA adapt
That's interesting. It's a little like an intra-conference bracket buster tournament. Should help their top teams' RPI.

Here's an article:

Conference USA changing men's basketball scheduling format


“With the goals to improve seeding and increase the number of teams that advance to the postseason, we viewed this as a great opportunity to enhance our top teams’ resumes by providing them additional quality games within their conference schedule,” Conference USA commissioner Judy MacLeod said in a news release. “Nonconference scheduling will continue to be a priority but this will provide a real-time analysis to create competitive matchups for teams and their fans.”

"Having the league’s top teams play each other, Conference USA hopes, will eliminate the possibility of a bad loss. The NCAA selection committee uses a quadrant system as part of its analysis to seed teams and select at-large squads for its 68-team tournament in March. Defeats (and sometimes even wins) against teams considered to be in Quadrant Three or Quadrant Four can be detrimental."
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Gaming the system. I like it. And yes, we should do the same.
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I could see something like this working - 17 game conference schedule
1 game against everyone = 9 games
2nd game against regional teams = 4 games
Games against Pod Teams = 4 games

Pod 1 - Top 3 teams play each other home and away
Pod 2 - Mid 3 teams play each other home and away
Pod 3 - Bottom 4 teams play each other once and then the closest geographic team a 2nd time

Travel could be brutal though. Say Pod 1 is NE, Drexel, and UNCW. That is a tough travel schedule for all teams involved in a 2 week span on short notice.
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Conference USA basketball schedule change may help teams like UTEP make NCAA tournament

"It's thinking outside the box," UTEP coach Rodney Terry said. "Our leadership is trying to improve our league's opportunity of getting a second team in the tournament and a better seed for our top team. What we're trying to do is keep our RPI up.

"I definitely think there will be more of an opportunity (for a second bid). Credit to (consultant and ESPN analyst) Mark Adams and (commissioner) Judy MacLeod for thinking outside the box."
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Might be a good idea for CUSA, CAA is perfect with the true round robin, we don't need a gimmick, regular season and tournament set up just fine.
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(05-30-2018 02:50 PM)Rueben Kincaid Wrote:  Might be a good idea for CUSA, CAA is perfect with the true round robin, we don't need a gimmick, regular season and tournament set up just fine.

I like the true round robin as well. On the other hand, should the conference and expand and add divisions, well then who knows?

What I really like it is the innovative thinking. It's not a gimmick to try to ensure that your strongest teams have the best RPI possible going into NCAA tournament selection/seeding time.
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Agreed. It is not a gimmick, it is a conference realizing the dregs of the league in any given year are absolutely brutal on the top teams. It is the sole reason why the power conferences dont have to worry much about OOC. They know their conference slate wont pull them down. Non power conferences dont have that luxury. Smart move to try and replicate it the best way they can.

I can definitely see this working against them though and working more like bracketbusters ended up doing, which was more opportunities to eliminate teams as opposed to strengthen all parties.
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(06-04-2018 01:06 PM)dan10 Wrote:  Agreed. It is not a gimmick, it is a conference realizing the dregs of the league in any given year are absolutely brutal on the top teams. It is the sole reason why the power conferences dont have to worry much about OOC. They know their conference slate wont pull them down. Non power conferences dont have that luxury. Smart move to try and replicate it the best way they can.

I can definitely see this working against them though and working more like bracketbusters ended up doing, which was more opportunities to eliminate teams as opposed to strengthen all parties.

They get points in my book for thinking unconventionally. I also think the non power conferences could do lots more inter-conference scheduling innovations that would help with RPI if they REALLY want to get rid of the pad-your-schedule-oh-woh-is-me-I-can't-get-a-decent-home-game cupcakes.
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Sunbelt apparently using it to. They are doing a 20 game schedule. East and west divisions, 6 team each. 4 pods of 3 to end the season based on league ranking.
Intradivisional round robin: 10 games
Interdivisional games: 6 games
Pod Round Robin: 4 games
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RE: CUSA pod system scheduling - Should CAA adapt
How to Game the Rating Percentage Index (RPI) in Basketball.

A lot of this is just math...but it means you have to do things in ways that may not be the way you've been doing them.

Hint: Scheduling cupcakes at home (DI or otherwise) will not get you anything but a "W" that deludes no one...except maybe yourself.
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(06-04-2018 08:53 PM)70shawk Wrote:  How to Game the Rating Percentage Index (RPI) in Basketball.

A lot of this is just math...but it means you have to do things in ways that may not be the way you've been doing them.

Hint: Scheduling cupcakes at home (DI or otherwise) will not get you anything but a "W" that deludes no one...except maybe yourself.

I think the biggest issue is the logistics of not knowing the last quarter of your schedule until the game before it. Working out schedules, not just for the team but all the staff associated with them, would be a nightmare. It's one thing to do it for an NCAA game.

But if it gets us more than one team in the postseason and earning the conference money, maybe it would be worth it. Although, it still isn't right that NE didn't get a bid to the SOMETHING last year.
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CUSA, Sunbelt, and Horizon have also entered into a scheduling agreement. Teams will play 1 home and 1 away non conference game based on standings from the previous year
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The West Coast Conference just changed their basketball scheduling approach as well. A number of changes to require better OOC scheduling, plus it's dropping two games from each team's conference round robin schedule - who plays who, and where, will be decided by several methods designed to keep weak RPI teams from dragging down the RPIs of the top teams.

WCC approves significant changes to scheduling, tournament format
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On Selection Sunday Mark Few was on 2 ESPN Radio networks saying St. Mary's received what it deserved from the Committee. The WCC warned St. Mary's its outside schedule was too weak and had too many home games against chumps.

Not many years ago, the WCC had 2 and 3 teams in the Tournament regularly. Gonzaga has made noises about leaving the WCC because playing its mediocre to bad teams hurts its seeding in the NCAA Tournament.

The A10 encourages its schools to play as many home games as possible, because its research shows home teams win a disproportionate share of those games and they help the conference's winning percentage, a component of its RPI.
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The funny thing is with so many conferences changing this the end result will just become another metric to avoid taking mids as at larges. New metrics will be used or valued that will benefit the power conferences. I applaud conferences for stepping up, but with a bunch doing this it will just end up meaning the rules for acceptance will get changed due to "gaming the system".

It would always be smart for good mid major conferences to get into agreements with home and homes i.e. a CAA/MVC challenge type of scenario. It has been discussed for years, but never taken upon by the conferences to help each other out.
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(06-06-2018 12:54 PM)dan10 Wrote:  It would always be smart for good mid major conferences to get into agreements with home and homes i.e. a CAA/MVC challenge type of scenario. It has been discussed for years, but never taken upon by the conferences to help each other out.

^^This^^

There's also lots of three way scheduling arrangements between conferences that could be worked out, whereby all teams involved get a home and road game with a quality opponent.
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(06-06-2018 12:54 PM)dan10 Wrote:  The funny thing is with so many conferences changing this the end result will just become another metric to avoid taking mids as at larges. New metrics will be used or valued that will benefit the power conferences. I applaud conferences for stepping up, but with a bunch doing this it will just end up meaning the rules for acceptance will get changed due to "gaming the system".

It would always be smart for good mid major conferences to get into agreements with home and homes i.e. a CAA/MVC challenge type of scenario. It has been discussed for years, but never taken upon by the conferences to help each other out.


Yep. Everyone shouldn’t be surprised when the NCAA “moves the goal posts” again to benefit the power conferences.


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(06-06-2018 11:31 AM)geezerhawkdad Wrote:  On Selection Sunday Mark Few was on 2 ESPN Radio networks saying St. Mary's received what it deserved from the Committee. The WCC warned St. Mary's its outside schedule was too weak and had too many home games against chumps.

For real???

That's brutal! What a way to get a rivalry going though

That's so foreign to me though because for all its warts, the CAA schools have generally always been supportive of each other, particularly in postseason and at large bida
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