(05-29-2018 08:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 07:51 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 07:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 03:16 PM)miko33 Wrote:  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2018...ein-study/

Quote:The Atkins diet may raise the risk of fatal heart disease, according to a new study.

Analysis of more than 2,440 men found that those with a high protein intake faced a 33 per cent increased risk of developing heart failure, where the organ is unable to pump sufficient blood and oxygen around the body.

The Atkins diet is the best known of a range of popular commercial regimes claiming to help people lose weight by embracing low-carbohydrate, high-protein eating.

My guess is protein alone is not the culprit. It's probably related to the fats ingested from the animal protein sources - probably an imbalance of Omega 6 fatty acids and a lack of Omega 3 fatty acids if I had to venture a guess. Also, could be that the HDL and LDL cholesterol plus triglycerides were spiked - though high HDL is supposed to be good for you. I never subscribed to Atkins diet since it looks like it went overboard with excluding carbs; however, I currently try to eat a higher level of protein and less carbs.

Right. The high protein/low carb diets are based on avoiding the insulin spikes that come with high intakes of processed carbs. But hgh protein diets vary. For instance, Atkins allows lots of fat to be consumed with the high protein consumption. Atkins is just about avoiding carbs. The South Beach diet uses the same avoidance of insulin spikes by following a high protein/low carb diet, but it preaches leaner protein sources in a effort to moderate fat intake.

serious question......have you ever done Atkins???

I have......you first....

whether you respond or not, I'll give my take on that one....

Not really. I did S Beach for a while maybe 15 years ago. It worked pretty well. I still do a modified version these days. lol....Whenever my pants start getting snug, I exercise a bit more, cut out sweets, and do a low effort S Beach type diet ( by that I mean I dont do the two weeks with absolutely no carbs part--I jump immediately to stage 2 where you can have certain carbs). I passed on Atkins because it just sounded like a good way to buy yourself a cardiac stent.

lol......I did it for 3 weeks solid (ex-wife mandated due to both bellies)......all I know is I wanted to gouge eyes out after that time frame...

she agreed and the divorce was prolonged....

edit: fwiw, you can hide 100% agave in the deep freeze w/o cheating.....

If you make those keto sticks turn red you are burning body fat. Pure chemistry. It takes a lot of discipline

(05-29-2018 06:10 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 05:36 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  chicken, fish and veggies are generally a good thing

The problem is people who weigh 500 pounds for whom 'regular' diets don't work who try diets like Atkins because they can eat many of the things they're already eating... and they eat way too much of them

Atkins is not in any way forgiving for about 2-4 weeks. It is hard core and difficult to get into ketosis and if you're not in ketosis and yet consuming tons of fats, you're actually harming your body...

People often cheat (sometimes unknowingly) and then blame the diet

If you're going to do an Atkins type diet, buy some ketosticks

Ketosticks?

just listen to the first fifteen minutes of any joe rogan podcast

i'll only listen to the amish. my doc says to me that my cholesterol'll probably need to be monitored cuzza my notorious scandinavian stock. my cholesterol levels were off the charts moderately elevated. 180 or some sh!t. so doc sends a prescription off to the pill mill and says them sh!ts' ready. s'not how i roll, dig. i wants some consultation up in this piece. doc considers himself a changer of lifestyles. that's not how he phrased it. if that's the case then he's got an obligation

about the amish. i have it on good authority to trust in their methods. my wife's twin sister laid this upon me and my condition

Quote:AMISH HERBALIST 'CURES' ARE IN HIGH DEMAND
AP

The article as it originally appeared.
VIEW PAGE IN TIMESMACHINE
, Page 001072
The New York Times Archives
To the end of a dusty road, past miles of cornfields, they come. From California and Ohio and as far away as Central Europe, they bring their headaches, back pains and liver problems.

In the corner of a barn behind a curtain, Solomon Wickey tells them to sit in a straight-backed chair, then gazes into their eyes and suggests a herb.

Sage, he says, prevents night sweats. Peppermint helps ease gallbladder pains. Thyme settles troubled nerves. He says he can tell by a person's eyes what is needed.

Some gaze back into Mr. Wickey's solemn brown eyes and swear by his wisdom. In the barn that doubles as his office, letters thanking him for curing everything from colds to spastic conditions crowd a bulletin board.

The advice costs nothing. Mr. Wickey, an Amish farmer who is not a licensed doctor, charges only for the herbs, although many people leave donations.

https://www.nytimes.com/1981/11/29/us/am...emand.html

madison is a lovely indiana river town about an hours drive from sissa'natuh thru beautiful backroads. we see the man's boy

(05-29-2018 09:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 06:10 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 05:36 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  chicken, fish and veggies are generally a good thing

The problem is people who weigh 500 pounds for whom 'regular' diets don't work who try diets like Atkins because they can eat many of the things they're already eating... and they eat way too much of them

Atkins is not in any way forgiving for about 2-4 weeks. It is hard core and difficult to get into ketosis and if you're not in ketosis and yet consuming tons of fats, you're actually harming your body...

People often cheat (sometimes unknowingly) and then blame the diet

If you're going to do an Atkins type diet, buy some ketosticks

Ketosticks?

just listen to the first fifteen minutes of any joe rogan podcast

i'll only listen to the amish. my doc says to me that my cholesterol'll probably need to be monitored cuzza my notorious scandinavian stock. my cholesterol levels were off the charts moderately elevated. 180 or some sh!t. so doc sends a prescription off to the pill mill and says them sh!ts' ready. s'not how i roll, dig. i wants some consultation up in this piece. doc considers himself a changer of lifestyles. that's not how he phrased it. if that's the case then he's got an obligation

about the amish. i have it on good authority to trust in their methods. my wife's twin sister laid this upon me and my condition

Quote:AMISH HERBALIST 'CURES' ARE IN HIGH DEMAND
AP

The article as it originally appeared.
VIEW PAGE IN TIMESMACHINE
, Page 001072
The New York Times Archives
To the end of a dusty road, past miles of cornfields, they come. From California and Ohio and as far away as Central Europe, they bring their headaches, back pains and liver problems.

In the corner of a barn behind a curtain, Solomon Wickey tells them to sit in a straight-backed chair, then gazes into their eyes and suggests a herb.

Sage, he says, prevents night sweats. Peppermint helps ease gallbladder pains. Thyme settles troubled nerves. He says he can tell by a person's eyes what is needed.

Some gaze back into Mr. Wickey's solemn brown eyes and swear by his wisdom. In the barn that doubles as his office, letters thanking him for curing everything from colds to spastic conditions crowd a bulletin board.

The advice costs nothing. Mr. Wickey, an Amish farmer who is not a licensed doctor, charges only for the herbs, although many people leave donations.

https://www.nytimes.com/1981/11/29/us/am...emand.html

madison is a lovely indiana river town about an hours drive from sissa'natuh thru beautiful backroads. we see the man's boy

180 cholesterol is normal. Your doc is an idiot if he was prescribing you a statin drug with a normal cholesterol.

I’m a big Joe Rohan fan.

I was doing keto, though not super strict, during my last annual blood work for insurance. My triglycerides were down, hdl (good cholesterol) was up, ldl (bad cholesterol) was down. I eat mostly keto but don’t do all the testing. It’s helped me lose weight and keep it off because it has all the meats and veggies that I like, plus it keeps me satiated much longer and keeps me from snacking. Atkins is different from keto because it is high protein, where keto is high fat, low protein, and very low carb.

I try to stick to the crossfit diet. Meat and vegetables, nuts and seeds, some fruit, little starch, no sugar.

Watch the Netflix documentary “the magic pill.” It’s pretty enlightening on keto and some of the benefits, as well as how messed up and corrupt the food pyramid is.

(05-29-2018 09:31 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 09:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 06:10 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 05:36 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  chicken, fish and veggies are generally a good thing

The problem is people who weigh 500 pounds for whom 'regular' diets don't work who try diets like Atkins because they can eat many of the things they're already eating... and they eat way too much of them

Atkins is not in any way forgiving for about 2-4 weeks. It is hard core and difficult to get into ketosis and if you're not in ketosis and yet consuming tons of fats, you're actually harming your body...

People often cheat (sometimes unknowingly) and then blame the diet

If you're going to do an Atkins type diet, buy some ketosticks

Ketosticks?

just listen to the first fifteen minutes of any joe rogan podcast

i'll only listen to the amish. my doc says to me that my cholesterol'll probably need to be monitored cuzza my notorious scandinavian stock. my cholesterol levels were off the charts moderately elevated. 180 or some sh!t. so doc sends a prescription off to the pill mill and says them sh!ts' ready. s'not how i roll, dig. i wants some consultation up in this piece. doc considers himself a changer of lifestyles. that's not how he phrased it. if that's the case then he's got an obligation

about the amish. i have it on good authority to trust in their methods. my wife's twin sister laid this upon me and my condition

Quote:AMISH HERBALIST 'CURES' ARE IN HIGH DEMAND
AP

The article as it originally appeared.
VIEW PAGE IN TIMESMACHINE
, Page 001072
The New York Times Archives
To the end of a dusty road, past miles of cornfields, they come. From California and Ohio and as far away as Central Europe, they bring their headaches, back pains and liver problems.

In the corner of a barn behind a curtain, Solomon Wickey tells them to sit in a straight-backed chair, then gazes into their eyes and suggests a herb.

Sage, he says, prevents night sweats. Peppermint helps ease gallbladder pains. Thyme settles troubled nerves. He says he can tell by a person's eyes what is needed.

Some gaze back into Mr. Wickey's solemn brown eyes and swear by his wisdom. In the barn that doubles as his office, letters thanking him for curing everything from colds to spastic conditions crowd a bulletin board.

The advice costs nothing. Mr. Wickey, an Amish farmer who is not a licensed doctor, charges only for the herbs, although many people leave donations.

https://www.nytimes.com/1981/11/29/us/am...emand.html

madison is a lovely indiana river town about an hours drive from sissa'natuh thru beautiful backroads. we see the man's boy

180 cholesterol is normal. Your doc is an idiot if he was prescribing you a statin drug with a normal cholesterol.

I’m a big Joe Rohan fan.

I was doing keto, though not super strict, during my last annual blood work for insurance. My triglycerides were down, hdl (good cholesterol) was up, ldl (bad cholesterol) was down. I eat mostly keto but don’t do all the testing. It’s helped me lose weight and keep it off because it has all the meats and veggies that I like, plus it keeps me satiated much longer and keeps me from snacking. Atkins is different from keto because it is high protein, where keto is high fat, low protein, and very low carb.

I try to stick to the crossfit diet. Meat and vegetables, nuts and seeds, some fruit, little starch, no sugar.

Watch the Netflix documentary “the magic pill.” It’s pretty enlightening on keto and some of the benefits, as well as how messed up and corrupt the food pyramid is.

That describes me except for the CrossFit. Regardless of my weight, if I am eating a low carb, high fat diet then my numbers are great. If I start eating carbs, my triglycerides and cholesterol go off the charts.

I am not following a strict type of diet aside from the mantra of eating less and exercising more. Eating saturated fats won't kill you IF you do it in moderation. I try to eat around 70 to 100 g of protein per day; however, I'm making sure to get plenty of exercise and especially weight training. By dumb luck I've eaten beef 2 days in a row for dinner, but normally we only eat beef once per week at most. Most of my protein is chicken, fish, dairy, legumes and nuts. We will use butter, but not on everything. We're just as likely to use canola oil/butter spread, coconut oil, peanut oil or most commonly olive oil.

I understand the concept of ketosis and that it is an alternative mechanism to deriving glucose from carbs. It should go without saying, but you will burn fat whenever your energy balance from daily food/drink consumption allows for it to happen. Also, some of the foods you eat are more difficult to digest than others. I think it's called the thermic effect of food, and eating foods with a higher thermic effect will raise your metabolism.

(05-29-2018 10:12 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I am not following a strict type of diet aside from the mantra of eating less and exercising more. Eating saturated fats won't kill you IF you do it in moderation. I try to eat around 70 to 100 g of protein per day; however, I'm making sure to get plenty of exercise and especially weight training. By dumb luck I've eaten beef 2 days in a row for dinner, but normally we only eat beef once per week at most. Most of my protein is chicken, fish, dairy, legumes and nuts. We will use butter, but not on everything. We're just as likely to use canola oil/butter spread, coconut oil, peanut oil or most commonly olive oil.

I understand the concept of ketosis and that it is an alternative mechanism to deriving glucose from carbs. It should go without saying, but you will burn fat whenever your energy balance from daily food/drink consumption allows for it to happen. Also, some of the foods you eat are more difficult to digest than others. I think it's called the thermic effect of food, and eating foods with a higher thermic effect will raise your metabolism.

You will burn fat when your available glucose is used up. You don’t burn fat when you just have a negative calorie deficit. It’s more complex than a simple calories in/calories out.

I’d avoid the canola and peanut oils. I just coconut, olive, and avacado oils.

Ive lost 40 pounds since March of last year. All of my blood work numbers have improved dramatically, gained muscle in places Ive never had them and generally feel great. I have not been hungry one second doing it and really have not changed my eating habits that much.

Bottom line..... Get your ass off the couch and into the gym and burn more calories than you take in. It works. I tried all the diets and lost weight..but..never could keep it off. Why?...I did not exercise. I chose to do it in a daily group functional fitness class. However you do it?...just do it. Stop with the dieting roller coaster rides.