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School Tickets Contributions Rights & Distr. True Rev. Road Kill Total Revenue Inst. Transfer
WMich $2,962,803 $2,742,325 $4,480,330 $10,185,458 $3,216,738 $13,402,196 $24,248,036
Toledo $2,230,964 $2,418,287 $4,721,905 $ 9,371,156 $3,782,274 $13,153,430 $ 4,254,934
Ohio $1,316,355 $3,331,622 $4,413,713 $ 9,061,690 $2,557,559 $11,619,249 $ 2,504,303
Akron $1,670,805 $1,981,146 $3,700,711 $ 7,352,662 $3,421,216 $10,773,878 $23,813,277
NIU $1,512,089 $2,337,593 $4,207,846 $ 8,057,528 $2,700,218 $10,757,746 $ 7,561,806
BGSU $2,000,333 $2,068,269 $3,128,828 $ 7,197,430 $3,110,517 $10,307,947 $ 0
Maimi $1,271,618 $1,701,631 $3,395,098 $ 6,368,347 $3,471,648 $ 9,839,995 $ 7,081,543
Buffalo $1,107,153 $1,913,487 $4,300,804 $ 7,321,444 $2,134,903 $ 9,456,347 $16,066,399
CMich $ 724,471 $1,774,258 $3,314,955 $ 5,813,684 $3,611,554 $ 9,425,238 $21,726,181
Ball $1,064,726 $ 310,062 $2,772,860 $ 4,147,648 $3,067,855 $ 7,215,503 $ 5,466,536
Kent $ 509,730 $ 921,287 $2,799,845 $ 4,230,862 $2,499,523 $ 6,730,385 $ 4,706,690
EMich $ 231,725 $ 607,580 $3,010,630 $ 3,849,935 $2,055,135 $ 5,905,070 $24,307,633

“By every measure EMich is really sick. Kent and Ball are also not healthy in terms of true revenue, but they fund most of athletics through student fees and are not too bad in using institutional money -- they really lack the community support to be FBS, but if the students pay for it, it's hard to say they should drop. EMich howvere should give it up, they simply lack the level of support for D-I athletics and frankly are stealing tax payer money; Less than 4% of the budget comes from gate and donations, and $0 from students (why I question the veracity of the claim the $30M football facility can be paid for with donations, unless they are cannibalizing donations to the school itself, given Athletics pulls only $600K annually in donations)

CMich has terrible gate, but OK contributions. Akron, CMich and WMich like EMich, have $0 student fees and are transferring what should be criminal levels of tax payers institutional dollars into the programs. Buffalo leans too much on that as well. This could make them candidates to drop as well, with States beginning to focus on the high level of tax payer dollars being transferred. These schools need to get a significant component of their subsidy funded by student fees to avoid the guillotine.

Conclusion, EMich is the one to go.”

Just curious to see what you Eagles fans think of these numbers and overall analysis. This was not written by me, but by an unbiased poster.
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I see a troll but the football attendance and interest continues to build at EMU I can't say the same at the other MAC teams you mention
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(05-29-2018 05:12 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I see a troll but the football attendance and interest continues to build at EMU I can't say the same at the other MAC teams you mention

So you don’t think there is any truth to this?
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(05-29-2018 07:04 AM)Fthechips Wrote:  
(05-29-2018 05:12 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I see a troll but the football attendance and interest continues to build at EMU I can't say the same at the other MAC teams you mention

So you don’t think there is any truth to this?

As Plate said what is truth? In the meantime we are working to improve
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(05-29-2018 07:04 AM)Fthechips Wrote:  
(05-29-2018 05:12 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I see a troll but the football attendance and interest continues to build at EMU I can't say the same at the other MAC teams you mention

So you don’t think there is any truth to this?

I have already PM the moderator reminding him that he shut down a similar thread a few months ago which degenerated into a dumpster fire of ill will, etc.

As far as truth and troll let me try to elevate the conversation. I have done a 2 x 2 table (below) for Truth ( Yes or No) and Trolling (Yes or No).


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The chart is hard to read.
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(05-29-2018 08:43 AM)fanfrompowellspub Wrote:  The chart is hard to read.

Yes. I'll do an attachment....

So there are 4 cases:

1). The person is telling the truth .and. is trolling (that is very common).

2) The person is telling the truth but .not. trolling (presumably sharing accurate info).

3). The person is .not. telling the truth .and. trolling. (this is the arrogant liar one tries to avoid at all cost).

4). The person is .not. telling the truth but .not. trolling (This person might simply be incorrect in what he states).

What our poster misses is that telling the truth does NOT contraindicate trolling. I could rant and say X% students at some university have drinking problems (presumably true) but the truth of the statement does not inoculate me against charges of trolling. OTOH I could say there are students at all MAC schools who have drinking problems which would be a true statement but shows no evidence of trolling or ill intent.


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Fthechips is truly pathetic. It doesn’t matter what the thread is, he beats the dead horse with the same crap over and over.
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(05-29-2018 10:05 AM)utpotts Wrote:  Fthechips is truly pathetic. It doesn’t matter what the thread is, he beats the dead horse with the same crap over and over.

Indeed. Unless I have been doing a Rip van Winkle, the MAC is at 12 schools, happy to be at 12 schools, and is not looking to add or subtract any specific schools.

Trying to make a case for subtracting any school is essentially trolling and has no relevance to any reality in the MAC office.
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(05-29-2018 10:22 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-29-2018 10:05 AM)utpotts Wrote:  Fthechips is truly pathetic. It doesn’t matter what the thread is, he beats the dead horse with the same crap over and over.

Indeed. Unless I have been doing a Rip van Winkle, the MAC is at 12 schools, happy to be at 12 schools, and is not looking to add or subtract any specific schools.

Trying to make a case for subtracting any school is essentially trolling and has no relevance to any reality in the MAC office.

The truth is in the statistics, I am not the only person who believes this. You guys just throw it in the fire and call it “trolling” because you refuse to accept the truth.
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(05-28-2018 11:42 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  School Tickets Contributions Rights & Distr. True Rev. Road Kill Total Revenue Inst. Transfer
WMich $2,962,803 $2,742,325 $4,480,330 $10,185,458 $3,216,738 $13,402,196 $24,248,036
Toledo $2,230,964 $2,418,287 $4,721,905 $ 9,371,156 $3,782,274 $13,153,430 $ 4,254,934
Ohio $1,316,355 $3,331,622 $4,413,713 $ 9,061,690 $2,557,559 $11,619,249 $ 2,504,303
Akron $1,670,805 $1,981,146 $3,700,711 $ 7,352,662 $3,421,216 $10,773,878 $23,813,277
NIU $1,512,089 $2,337,593 $4,207,846 $ 8,057,528 $2,700,218 $10,757,746 $ 7,561,806
BGSU $2,000,333 $2,068,269 $3,128,828 $ 7,197,430 $3,110,517 $10,307,947 $ 0
Maimi $1,271,618 $1,701,631 $3,395,098 $ 6,368,347 $3,471,648 $ 9,839,995 $ 7,081,543
Buffalo $1,107,153 $1,913,487 $4,300,804 $ 7,321,444 $2,134,903 $ 9,456,347 $16,066,399
CMich $ 724,471 $1,774,258 $3,314,955 $ 5,813,684 $3,611,554 $ 9,425,238 $21,726,181
Ball $1,064,726 $ 310,062 $2,772,860 $ 4,147,648 $3,067,855 $ 7,215,503 $ 5,466,536
Kent $ 509,730 $ 921,287 $2,799,845 $ 4,230,862 $2,499,523 $ 6,730,385 $ 4,706,690
EMich $ 231,725 $ 607,580 $3,010,630 $ 3,849,935 $2,055,135 $ 5,905,070 $24,307,633

“By every measure EMich is really sick. Kent and Ball are also not healthy in terms of true revenue, but they fund most of athletics through student fees and are not too bad in using institutional money -- they really lack the community support to be FBS, but if the students pay for it, it's hard to say they should drop. EMich howvere should give it up, they simply lack the level of support for D-I athletics and frankly are stealing tax payer money; Less than 4% of the budget comes from gate and donations, and $0 from students (why I question the veracity of the claim the $30M football facility can be paid for with donations, unless they are cannibalizing donations to the school itself, given Athletics pulls only $600K annually in donations)

CMich has terrible gate, but OK contributions. Akron, CMich and WMich like EMich, have $0 student fees and are transferring what should be criminal levels of tax payers institutional dollars into the programs. Buffalo leans too much on that as well. This could make them candidates to drop as well, with States beginning to focus on the high level of tax payer dollars being transferred. These schools need to get a significant component of their subsidy funded by student fees to avoid the guillotine.

Conclusion, EMich is the one to go.”

Just curious to see what you Eagles fans think of these numbers and overall analysis. This was not written by me, but by an unbiased poster.

BTW, I just 'memoralized' this post... 04-chairshot
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(05-28-2018 11:42 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  School Tickets Contributions Rights & Distr. True Rev. Road Kill Total Revenue Inst. Transfer
WMich $2,962,803 $2,742,325 $4,480,330 $10,185,458 $3,216,738 $13,402,196 $24,248,036
Toledo $2,230,964 $2,418,287 $4,721,905 $ 9,371,156 $3,782,274 $13,153,430 $ 4,254,934
Ohio $1,316,355 $3,331,622 $4,413,713 $ 9,061,690 $2,557,559 $11,619,249 $ 2,504,303
Akron $1,670,805 $1,981,146 $3,700,711 $ 7,352,662 $3,421,216 $10,773,878 $23,813,277
NIU $1,512,089 $2,337,593 $4,207,846 $ 8,057,528 $2,700,218 $10,757,746 $ 7,561,806
BGSU $2,000,333 $2,068,269 $3,128,828 $ 7,197,430 $3,110,517 $10,307,947 $ 0
Maimi $1,271,618 $1,701,631 $3,395,098 $ 6,368,347 $3,471,648 $ 9,839,995 $ 7,081,543
Buffalo $1,107,153 $1,913,487 $4,300,804 $ 7,321,444 $2,134,903 $ 9,456,347 $16,066,399
CMich $ 724,471 $1,774,258 $3,314,955 $ 5,813,684 $3,611,554 $ 9,425,238 $21,726,181
Ball $1,064,726 $ 310,062 $2,772,860 $ 4,147,648 $3,067,855 $ 7,215,503 $ 5,466,536
Kent $ 509,730 $ 921,287 $2,799,845 $ 4,230,862 $2,499,523 $ 6,730,385 $ 4,706,690
EMich $ 231,725 $ 607,580 $3,010,630 $ 3,849,935 $2,055,135 $ 5,905,070 $24,307,633

“By every measure EMich is really sick. Kent and Ball are also not healthy in terms of true revenue, but they fund most of athletics through student fees and are not too bad in using institutional money -- they really lack the community support to be FBS, but if the students pay for it, it's hard to say they should drop. EMich howvere should give it up, they simply lack the level of support for D-I athletics and frankly are stealing tax payer money; Less than 4% of the budget comes from gate and donations, and $0 from students (why I question the veracity of the claim the $30M football facility can be paid for with donations, unless they are cannibalizing donations to the school itself, given Athletics pulls only $600K annually in donations)

CMich has terrible gate, but OK contributions. Akron, CMich and WMich like EMich, have $0 student fees and are transferring what should be criminal levels of tax payers institutional dollars into the programs. Buffalo leans too much on that as well. This could make them candidates to drop as well, with States beginning to focus on the high level of tax payer dollars being transferred. These schools need to get a significant component of their subsidy funded by student fees to avoid the guillotine.

Conclusion, EMich is the one to go.”

Just curious to see what you Eagles fans think of these numbers and overall analysis. This was not written by me, but by an unbiased poster.
Do you have a link?
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(05-29-2018 11:42 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 11:42 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  School Tickets Contributions Rights & Distr. True Rev. Road Kill Total Revenue Inst. Transfer
WMich $2,962,803 $2,742,325 $4,480,330 $10,185,458 $3,216,738 $13,402,196 $24,248,036
Toledo $2,230,964 $2,418,287 $4,721,905 $ 9,371,156 $3,782,274 $13,153,430 $ 4,254,934
Ohio $1,316,355 $3,331,622 $4,413,713 $ 9,061,690 $2,557,559 $11,619,249 $ 2,504,303
Akron $1,670,805 $1,981,146 $3,700,711 $ 7,352,662 $3,421,216 $10,773,878 $23,813,277
NIU $1,512,089 $2,337,593 $4,207,846 $ 8,057,528 $2,700,218 $10,757,746 $ 7,561,806
BGSU $2,000,333 $2,068,269 $3,128,828 $ 7,197,430 $3,110,517 $10,307,947 $ 0
Maimi $1,271,618 $1,701,631 $3,395,098 $ 6,368,347 $3,471,648 $ 9,839,995 $ 7,081,543
Buffalo $1,107,153 $1,913,487 $4,300,804 $ 7,321,444 $2,134,903 $ 9,456,347 $16,066,399
CMich $ 724,471 $1,774,258 $3,314,955 $ 5,813,684 $3,611,554 $ 9,425,238 $21,726,181
Ball $1,064,726 $ 310,062 $2,772,860 $ 4,147,648 $3,067,855 $ 7,215,503 $ 5,466,536
Kent $ 509,730 $ 921,287 $2,799,845 $ 4,230,862 $2,499,523 $ 6,730,385 $ 4,706,690
EMich $ 231,725 $ 607,580 $3,010,630 $ 3,849,935 $2,055,135 $ 5,905,070 $24,307,633

“By every measure EMich is really sick. Kent and Ball are also not healthy in terms of true revenue, but they fund most of athletics through student fees and are not too bad in using institutional money -- they really lack the community support to be FBS, but if the students pay for it, it's hard to say they should drop. EMich howvere should give it up, they simply lack the level of support for D-I athletics and frankly are stealing tax payer money; Less than 4% of the budget comes from gate and donations, and $0 from students (why I question the veracity of the claim the $30M football facility can be paid for with donations, unless they are cannibalizing donations to the school itself, given Athletics pulls only $600K annually in donations)

CMich has terrible gate, but OK contributions. Akron, CMich and WMich like EMich, have $0 student fees and are transferring what should be criminal levels of tax payers institutional dollars into the programs. Buffalo leans too much on that as well. This could make them candidates to drop as well, with States beginning to focus on the high level of tax payer dollars being transferred. These schools need to get a significant component of their subsidy funded by student fees to avoid the guillotine.

Conclusion, EMich is the one to go.”

Just curious to see what you Eagles fans think of these numbers and overall analysis. This was not written by me, but by an unbiased poster.
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If, Eastern beats Western this year, does that put Western on the chopping block? That seems logical to me. Then all this bull crap, you and a few others have been spouting, is just that. Boy, you really need a life.
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(05-29-2018 10:22 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-29-2018 10:05 AM)utpotts Wrote:  Fthechips is truly pathetic. It doesn’t matter what the thread is, he beats the dead horse with the same crap over and over.

Indeed. Unless I have been doing a Rip van Winkle, the MAC is at 12 schools, happy to be at 12 schools, and is not looking to add or subtract any specific schools.

Trying to make a case for subtracting any school is essentially trolling and has no relevance to any reality in the MAC office.

The truth is in the statistics, I am not the only person who believes this. You guys just throw it in the fire and call it “trolling” because you refuse to accept the truth.

I suggest you take a minute and review the dictionary definition of troll and trolling.

"a : to antagonize (others) online by deliberately posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content
… trolls engage in the most outrageous and offensive behaviors possible—all the better to troll you with. —Whitney Phillips"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/troll
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(05-29-2018 03:36 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Fthechips,
If, Eastern beats Western this year, does that put Western on the chopping block? That seems logical to me. Then all this bull crap, you and a few others have been spouting, is just that. Boy, you really need a life.

$2.9 million in ticket sales vs $200k

$2.7 million in donations vs $600k

I'll let you do the math
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Two more facts:
1. Westerns sales still are not in the same ballpark as even the worst P5 School.
2. The 10 or so Western alums I am friends with all are Michigan fans. At least two of them are season ticket holders at Michigan.
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(05-29-2018 05:44 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Two more facts:
1. Westerns sales still are not in the same ballpark as even the worst P5 School.
2. The 10 or so Western alums I am friends with all are Michigan fans. At least two of them are season ticket holders at Michigan.

Thanks for comparing a MAC school to a blue blood P5, great comparison.

My original point was that EMU comes nowhere close to any of the other MAC schools, and the MAC is the lowest of the low in terms of FBS. If that tells you anything.
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You always never answer the question I pose. I ask about winning a game on the field, which by the way, was your original premiss, overall records, and you come back with ticket sales. Boy, the spin never ends.
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