Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
*OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
Author Message
Bookmark and Share
ExcitedOwl18 Online
All American
*

Posts: 4,302
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 54
I Root For: Rice
Location: Plano
Post: #1
*OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
Now that 24 hours has passed the end of our season and Karlgaard is done in Indy, I figured we should start discussing the search.

Many of the most popular candidates are not actually in the post-season. In the case of Riser and Deggs, I give them a pass since it’s hard to get an at-large from the Southland. I think Saraloos’ past four years speak for themselves, but it’s worth noting that their staff wasn’t spectacular this year... It was banged up though. One thing I do NOT want is Rice waiting around to see if Schlossnagle takes the Mississippi State job (as Saraloos would be a top candidate at TCU).

A couple other guys I’d like to have us look at:

-Mark Wasikowski at Purdue
-Dan Heefner at DBU
05-28-2018 12:35 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply

ExcitedOwl18 Online
All American
*

Posts: 4,302
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 54
I Root For: Rice
Location: Plano
Post: #2
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
Also another con to Berkman: His team this year was under .500.
05-28-2018 12:48 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
illiniowl Online
Special Teams
*

Posts: 565
Joined: Dec 2006
Reputation: 39
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #3
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
(05-28-2018 12:35 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Many of the most popular candidates are not actually in the post-season. In the case of Riser and Deggs, I give them a pass since it’s hard to get an at-large from the Southland.

Speaking of the Southland, Hallmark's UIW team did not make the postseason, either...as in, finished T-10 in the conference and did not make the SLC tournament. Lost 7 in a row and 8 of 9 to end the season.
05-28-2018 01:01 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ExcitedOwl18 Online
All American
*

Posts: 4,302
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 54
I Root For: Rice
Location: Plano
Post: #4
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
(05-28-2018 01:01 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 12:35 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Many of the most popular candidates are not actually in the post-season. In the case of Riser and Deggs, I give them a pass since it’s hard to get an at-large from the Southland.

Speaking of the Southland, Hallmark's UIW team did not make the postseason, either...as in, finished T-10 in the conference and did not make the SLC tournament. Lost 7 in a row and 8 of 9 to end the season.

Yeah, I think Hallmark is a decent coach and UIW definitely improved in his first year but they ran out of gas at the end.

Not sure he’s the guy for this search... I think we can get someone more proven.
05-28-2018 01:05 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ExcitedOwl18 Online
All American
*

Posts: 4,302
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 54
I Root For: Rice
Location: Plano
Post: #5
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
If we’re talking about former Graham assistants, Mike Taylor has done a nice job in Waco the last couple of years 03-wink !!!
(This post was last modified: 05-28-2018 01:09 PM by ExcitedOwl18.)
05-28-2018 01:08 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Tomball Owl Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,134
Joined: Oct 2005
Reputation: 39
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location:
Post: #6
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
(05-28-2018 12:48 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Also another con to Berkman: His team this year was under .500.

By that standard, Wayne wouldn't make the cut to replace Wayne.
05-28-2018 01:31 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply

ExcitedOwl18 Online
All American
*

Posts: 4,302
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 54
I Root For: Rice
Location: Plano
Post: #7
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
(05-28-2018 01:31 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 12:48 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Also another con to Berkman: His team this year was under .500.

By that standard, Wayne wouldn't make the cut to replace Wayne.

Lance has also coached 2 seasons compared to Wayne’s 40+.

I mean the state championship was impressive but following it up with an under .500 season doesn’t inspire confidence.
05-28-2018 01:35 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Tomball Owl Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,134
Joined: Oct 2005
Reputation: 39
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location:
Post: #8
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
(05-28-2018 01:35 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 01:31 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 12:48 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Also another con to Berkman: His team this year was under .500.

By that standard, Wayne wouldn't make the cut to replace Wayne.

Lance has also coached 2 seasons compared to Wayne’s 40+.

I mean the state championship was impressive but following it up with an under .500 season doesn’t inspire confidence.

Shame on Lance for not getting his coaching career started when he was in diapers.

Look, Lance may or may not be the right guy, but his record in his 2nd year of coaching is not high on the list of determining factors. I'd more concerned with his (or any other candidate's) approach to coaching and recruiting, use of analytics, ability to fundraise, etc.
(This post was last modified: 05-28-2018 01:43 PM by Tomball Owl.)
05-28-2018 01:41 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
tanqtonic Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,312
Joined: Nov 2016
Reputation: 195
I Root For: rice
Location:
Post: #9
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
(05-28-2018 01:41 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 01:35 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 01:31 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 12:48 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Also another con to Berkman: His team this year was under .500.

By that standard, Wayne wouldn't make the cut to replace Wayne.

Lance has also coached 2 seasons compared to Wayne’s 40+.

I mean the state championship was impressive but following it up with an under .500 season doesn’t inspire confidence.

Shame on Lance for not getting his coaching career started when he was in diapers.

Look, Lance may or may not be the right guy, but his record in his 2nd year of coaching is not high on the list of determining factors. I'd more concerned with his (or any other candidate's) approach to coaching and recruiting, use of analytics, ability to fundraise, etc.

His record in his 2nd year of coaching is very definitely and absolutely high on the list of determining factors when that happens to be the rank total of years of his coaching. And coaching not even at a Juco level, mind you.

I would be summarily appalled if Lance was selected for the position.

It would be like Team Mercedes putting the keys to the team Formula 1 car in the hands of my 15 year old nephew who just got his learner's permit, tbh. That choice would be grounds for looking at an AD operating under a gross negligence standard.
05-28-2018 03:29 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Tomball Owl Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,134
Joined: Oct 2005
Reputation: 39
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location:
Post: #10
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
(05-28-2018 03:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 01:41 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 01:35 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 01:31 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 12:48 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Also another con to Berkman: His team this year was under .500.

By that standard, Wayne wouldn't make the cut to replace Wayne.

Lance has also coached 2 seasons compared to Wayne’s 40+.

I mean the state championship was impressive but following it up with an under .500 season doesn’t inspire confidence.

Shame on Lance for not getting his coaching career started when he was in diapers.

Look, Lance may or may not be the right guy, but his record in his 2nd year of coaching is not high on the list of determining factors. I'd more concerned with his (or any other candidate's) approach to coaching and recruiting, use of analytics, ability to fundraise, etc.

His record in his 2nd year of coaching is very definitely and absolutely high on the list of determining factors when that happens to be the rank total of years of his coaching. And coaching not even at a Juco level, mind you.

I would be summarily appalled if Lance was selected for the position.

It would be like Team Mercedes putting the keys to the team Formula 1 car in the hands of my 15 year old nephew who just got his learner's permit, tbh. That choice would be grounds for looking at an AD operating under a gross negligence standard.

So if his second year was equal to his first, Lance would be on your list?

From your other comments, it's clear you don't want Lance as the next HC for Rice baseball. That's fine. His experience in total is clearly a factor. His record in one year is not, at least not high on the list of factors, just as Wayne having one losing season in 20+ years at Rice makes him any less of a coach.
05-28-2018 04:20 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
westsidewolf1989 Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,514
Joined: Dec 2008
Reputation: 43
I Root For: Rice
Location:
Post: #11
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
Count me in the non-Berkman and non-Hallmark camp.
05-28-2018 04:30 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply

OptimisticOwl Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 38,265
Joined: Apr 2005
Reputation: 478
I Root For: Rice
Location: Paradise

The Parliament AwardsNew Orleans BowlFootball GeniusCrappiesDonatorsDonators
Post: #12
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
Unlike the rest of you, I don’t have a say in the hiring. So I will just wait and support whoever it is to the best of my abilities.

Good luck to all y’all in your search.
05-28-2018 04:37 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
westsidewolf1989 Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,514
Joined: Dec 2008
Reputation: 43
I Root For: Rice
Location:
Post: #13
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
(05-28-2018 03:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 01:41 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 01:35 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 01:31 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 12:48 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Also another con to Berkman: His team this year was under .500.

By that standard, Wayne wouldn't make the cut to replace Wayne.

Lance has also coached 2 seasons compared to Wayne’s 40+.

I mean the state championship was impressive but following it up with an under .500 season doesn’t inspire confidence.

Shame on Lance for not getting his coaching career started when he was in diapers.

Look, Lance may or may not be the right guy, but his record in his 2nd year of coaching is not high on the list of determining factors. I'd more concerned with his (or any other candidate's) approach to coaching and recruiting, use of analytics, ability to fundraise, etc.

His record in his 2nd year of coaching is very definitely and absolutely high on the list of determining factors when that happens to be the rank total of years of his coaching. And coaching not even at a Juco level, mind you.

I would be summarily appalled if Lance was selected for the position.

It would be like Team Mercedes putting the keys to the team Formula 1 car in the hands of my 15 year old nephew who just got his learner's permit, tbh. That choice would be grounds for looking at an AD operating under a gross negligence standard.

Lance also coaches at a TAPPS school...not exactly public 6A ball.
05-28-2018 04:39 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Owl1998 Online
Special Teams
*

Posts: 699
Joined: Sep 2016
Reputation: 6
I Root For: Rice
Location:
Post: #14
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
Count me in for the PRO-Berkman crowd.

This program needs a jolt and hiring Lance (and quite possibly Pettitte) would be a splash hire for recruiting. Regardless of what many people in here will say, it’s my opinion.

I’m all for it.
05-28-2018 04:41 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
loki_the_bubba Online
All American
*

Posts: 3,443
Joined: Jul 2010
Reputation: 121
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location:
Post: #15
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
(05-28-2018 01:35 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 01:31 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 12:48 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Also another con to Berkman: His team this year was under .500.

By that standard, Wayne wouldn't make the cut to replace Wayne.

Lance has also coached 2 seasons compared to Wayne’s 40+.

I mean the state championship was impressive but following it up with an under .500 season doesn’t inspire confidence.

Didn't we just get rid of a football coach who had a similar trajectory before coming here...
05-28-2018 04:44 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
InterestedX Online
2nd String
*

Posts: 446
Joined: Sep 2014
Reputation: 4
I Root For: Oxford
Location:
Post: #16
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
(05-28-2018 04:44 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 01:35 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 01:31 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 12:48 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Also another con to Berkman: His team this year was under .500.

By that standard, Wayne wouldn't make the cut to replace Wayne.

Lance has also coached 2 seasons compared to Wayne’s 40+.

I mean the state championship was impressive but following it up with an under .500 season doesn’t inspire confidence.

Didn't we just get rid of a football coach who had a similar trajectory before coming here...

Say what?
05-28-2018 06:16 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply

WestGrayStreetOwl Online
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 226
Joined: Nov 2010
Reputation: 4
I Root For: Rice
Location:
Post: #17
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
(05-28-2018 06:16 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 04:44 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 01:35 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 01:31 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 12:48 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Also another con to Berkman: His team this year was under .500.

By that standard, Wayne wouldn't make the cut to replace Wayne.

Lance has also coached 2 seasons compared to Wayne’s 40+.

I mean the state championship was impressive but following it up with an under .500 season doesn’t inspire confidence.

Didn't we just get rid of a football coach who had a similar trajectory before coming here...

Say what?

David Bailiff's three seasons as HC at Texas State:

2004 Texas State 5–6 3–2 3rd
2005 Texas State 11–3 4–1 T–1st L NCAA Division I-AA Semifinal 4
2006 Texas State 5–6 3–3 4th
05-28-2018 07:03 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
waltgreenberg Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 24,393
Joined: Feb 2006
Reputation: 135
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location: Chicago

The Parliament Awards
Post: #18
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
(05-28-2018 12:35 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Now that 24 hours has passed the end of our season and Karlgaard is done in Indy, I figured we should start discussing the search.

Many of the most popular candidates are not actually in the post-season. In the case of Riser and Deggs, I give them a pass since it’s hard to get an at-large from the Southland. I think Saraloos’ past four years speak for themselves, but it’s worth noting that their staff wasn’t spectacular this year... It was banged up though. One thing I do NOT want is Rice waiting around to see if Schlossnagle takes the Mississippi State job (as Saraloos would be a top candidate at TCU).

A couple other guys I’d like to have us look at:

-Mark Wasikowski at Purdue
-Dan Heefner at DBU

If I recall correctly from a post on from the Coaching Caravan thread, Jk responded to a question regarding the coaching search by saying he expected to announce a replacement for The OG within 7 - 14 days of the season ending, whenever that occurred. Given that the Owl Club dinner for $10,000+ donors is scheduled for June 13th, I'd be shocked if the replacement is not announced before then...and even though Bloomgren and his coaching staff will be the featured speakers at the event, I wouldn't be surprised if the new baseball coach is invited to attend and mingle, as well.

No inside information. Just speculating.
05-28-2018 07:13 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ExcitedOwl18 Online
All American
*

Posts: 4,302
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 54
I Root For: Rice
Location: Plano
Post: #19
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
(05-28-2018 07:13 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 12:35 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Now that 24 hours has passed the end of our season and Karlgaard is done in Indy, I figured we should start discussing the search.

Many of the most popular candidates are not actually in the post-season. In the case of Riser and Deggs, I give them a pass since it’s hard to get an at-large from the Southland. I think Saraloos’ past four years speak for themselves, but it’s worth noting that their staff wasn’t spectacular this year... It was banged up though. One thing I do NOT want is Rice waiting around to see if Schlossnagle takes the Mississippi State job (as Saraloos would be a top candidate at TCU).

A couple other guys I’d like to have us look at:

-Mark Wasikowski at Purdue
-Dan Heefner at DBU

If I recall correctly from a post on from the Coaching Caravan thread, Jk responded to a question regarding the coaching search by saying he expected to announce a replacement for The OG within 7 - 14 days of the season ending, whenever that occurred. Given that the Owl Club dinner for $10,000+ donors is scheduled for June 13th, I'd be shocked if the replacement is not announced before then...and even though Bloomgren and his coaching staff will be the featured speakers at the event, I wouldn't be surprised if the new baseball coach is invited to attend and mingle, as well.

No inside information. Just speculating.

Yup, and after Sunday/Monday, there won't be many coaches left coaching so I don't see an issue in having one hired before the 13th.
05-28-2018 07:26 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
flash3200 Offline
2nd String
*

Posts: 339
Joined: Sep 2017
Reputation: 14
I Root For: Rice/EOLRRF
Location: Cy-Creek
Post: #20
RE: *OFFICIAL* Baseball Coaching Search Thread
Ya, this shouldn't be the search thread, but rather the who has already been effectively hired thread. If JK waited until now to initiate the search, that certainly would count as his biggest blunder to date. If anything, the longer it takes to announce a name the better since that likely means our future coach is still engaged in the current season.
(This post was last modified: 05-28-2018 08:51 PM by flash3200.)
05-28-2018 08:50 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2018 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2018 MyBB Group.