(05-28-2018 10:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-26-2018 09:04 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  It depends on who you ask. The presidents voted A when they extend the contracts/GoR to 2035/36, a lifetime in college sports. I think Syracuse and BC had the opportunity to go to the B1G in 2011. If you consider that Rutgers was taken based on the population of New Jersey, New York has more than 2x the population and Syracuse athletics is a notch or two above Rutgers, Syracuse could have gone B1G. Massachusetts is a smaller state but BC is a bigger name. I don't know if PSU wanted or could get another school from PA in the B1G.

Florida State and Clemson fans would probably vote for SEC. I don't know many Louisville fans, I suspect they would probably vote SEC as well.

I doubt BC and Syracuse ever had a serious chance with the Big Ten.

Rutgers wasn't taken based on the population of New Jersey. It was based on the populations of New Jersey and New York City, where a large number of Big Ten alums reside. The population base Syracuse draws is more upstate New York, which isn't a major alumni base for the B1G.

Since the Big East isn't coming back from the grave, I'd put SU and BC in the ACC for life group. They really have no other choice, IMO.

Pitt is the only school that might prefer the B1G, but I think they'd still lean toward the ACC.

I think Clemson is also a "might prefer" for the SEC. If the Tigers could have Tennessee, Georgia and Auburn on their schedules every year, they'd be pretty happy IMO. Swapping FSU for Florida is probably a wash with their fans, and there's a good chance they could keep Georgia Tech OOC. That would give them six annual opponents their fans would love to play, and there aren't many schools that would have more than that.

FSU is a little less likely to want the SEC. I think it would depend on whether they think they would be assigned to the SEC West (in which case, no) or to the East.

I once heard the Syracuse president express concern about competing with the giant public schools in the Big 10. I'm pretty sure the medium size privates would all prefer to stay together in the ACC over the SEC and B1G (SU, BC, WF, Duke, Miami, ND). And I don't think there is really any doubt that the relatively smaller, elite publics-UVA, UNC and GT would prefer to stay in the ACC. UNC and UVa likely had opportunities to go to the Big 10 this last cycle and chose to sign a GOR extension for clearly less money.

FSU, Clemson, NCSU, VT, Louisville are not as clear. I'm pretty sure Pitt would jump at a Big 10 invite.

(05-30-2018 06:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 10:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-26-2018 09:04 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  It depends on who you ask. The presidents voted A when they extend the contracts/GoR to 2035/36, a lifetime in college sports. I think Syracuse and BC had the opportunity to go to the B1G in 2011. If you consider that Rutgers was taken based on the population of New Jersey, New York has more than 2x the population and Syracuse athletics is a notch or two above Rutgers, Syracuse could have gone B1G. Massachusetts is a smaller state but BC is a bigger name. I don't know if PSU wanted or could get another school from PA in the B1G.

Florida State and Clemson fans would probably vote for SEC. I don't know many Louisville fans, I suspect they would probably vote SEC as well.

I doubt BC and Syracuse ever had a serious chance with the Big Ten.

Rutgers wasn't taken based on the population of New Jersey. It was based on the populations of New Jersey and New York City, where a large number of Big Ten alums reside. The population base Syracuse draws is more upstate New York, which isn't a major alumni base for the B1G.

Since the Big East isn't coming back from the grave, I'd put SU and BC in the ACC for life group. They really have no other choice, IMO.

Pitt is the only school that might prefer the B1G, but I think they'd still lean toward the ACC.

I think Clemson is also a "might prefer" for the SEC. If the Tigers could have Tennessee, Georgia and Auburn on their schedules every year, they'd be pretty happy IMO. Swapping FSU for Florida is probably a wash with their fans, and there's a good chance they could keep Georgia Tech OOC. That would give them six annual opponents their fans would love to play, and there aren't many schools that would have more than that.

FSU is a little less likely to want the SEC. I think it would depend on whether they think they would be assigned to the SEC West (in which case, no) or to the East.

I once heard the Syracuse president express concern about competing with the giant public schools in the Big 10. I'm pretty sure the medium size privates would all prefer to stay together in the ACC over the SEC and B1G (SU, BC, WF, Duke, Miami, ND). And I don't think there is really any doubt that the relatively smaller, elite publics-UVA, UNC and GT would prefer to stay in the ACC. UNC and UVa likely had opportunities to go to the Big 10 this last cycle and chose to sign a GOR extension for clearly less money.

FSU, Clemson, NCSU, VT, Louisville are not as clear. I'm pretty sure Pitt would jump at a Big 10 invite.

First..If there comes a day when players a paid, it is very likely that this group of privates will break away and for their own conference. They will probably will be paid less, but will go anyway.
Second..If this does come to pass and you find a conference that includes Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, Miami, UVa, Carolina and Georgia Tech, Clemson, yes Clemson most likely will throw in with this lot for ten. The pressure on Pitt to stay with Notre Dame would be great enough for the Panthers to join this group too. Northwestern (if they choose to leave the B1G) or UConn would complete the group.

Georgia Tech, Clemson, Duke, Carolina, Wake Forest, UVa
Miami, Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Northwestern/UConn

And this bunch would be happy as clams even with fewer dollars.

(05-30-2018 07:19 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 06:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 10:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-26-2018 09:04 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  It depends on who you ask. The presidents voted A when they extend the contracts/GoR to 2035/36, a lifetime in college sports. I think Syracuse and BC had the opportunity to go to the B1G in 2011. If you consider that Rutgers was taken based on the population of New Jersey, New York has more than 2x the population and Syracuse athletics is a notch or two above Rutgers, Syracuse could have gone B1G. Massachusetts is a smaller state but BC is a bigger name. I don't know if PSU wanted or could get another school from PA in the B1G.

Florida State and Clemson fans would probably vote for SEC. I don't know many Louisville fans, I suspect they would probably vote SEC as well.

I doubt BC and Syracuse ever had a serious chance with the Big Ten.

Rutgers wasn't taken based on the population of New Jersey. It was based on the populations of New Jersey and New York City, where a large number of Big Ten alums reside. The population base Syracuse draws is more upstate New York, which isn't a major alumni base for the B1G.

Since the Big East isn't coming back from the grave, I'd put SU and BC in the ACC for life group. They really have no other choice, IMO.

Pitt is the only school that might prefer the B1G, but I think they'd still lean toward the ACC.

I think Clemson is also a "might prefer" for the SEC. If the Tigers could have Tennessee, Georgia and Auburn on their schedules every year, they'd be pretty happy IMO. Swapping FSU for Florida is probably a wash with their fans, and there's a good chance they could keep Georgia Tech OOC. That would give them six annual opponents their fans would love to play, and there aren't many schools that would have more than that.

FSU is a little less likely to want the SEC. I think it would depend on whether they think they would be assigned to the SEC West (in which case, no) or to the East.

I once heard the Syracuse president express concern about competing with the giant public schools in the Big 10. I'm pretty sure the medium size privates would all prefer to stay together in the ACC over the SEC and B1G (SU, BC, WF, Duke, Miami, ND). And I don't think there is really any doubt that the relatively smaller, elite publics-UVA, UNC and GT would prefer to stay in the ACC. UNC and UVa likely had opportunities to go to the Big 10 this last cycle and chose to sign a GOR extension for clearly less money.

FSU, Clemson, NCSU, VT, Louisville are not as clear. I'm pretty sure Pitt would jump at a Big 10 invite.

First..If there comes a day when players a paid, it is very likely that this group of privates will break away and for their own conference. They will probably will be paid less, but will go anyway.
Second..If this does come to pass and you find a conference that includes Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, Miami, UVa, Carolina and Georgia Tech, Clemson, yes Clemson most likely will throw in with this lot for ten. The pressure on Pitt to stay with Notre Dame would be great enough for the Panthers to join this group too. Northwestern (if they choose to leave the B1G) or UConn would complete the group.

Georgia Tech, Clemson, Duke, Carolina, Wake Forest, UVa
Miami, Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Northwestern/UConn

And this bunch would be happy as clams even with fewer dollars.

Why is it your fantasy that Clemson would act in anyway to impede its ability to compete in football at the highest level? Clemson would be out of that group and into a football first conference quicker than Jackie Robinson stole home.

(05-30-2018 07:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 07:19 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 06:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 10:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-26-2018 09:04 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  It depends on who you ask. The presidents voted A when they extend the contracts/GoR to 2035/36, a lifetime in college sports. I think Syracuse and BC had the opportunity to go to the B1G in 2011. If you consider that Rutgers was taken based on the population of New Jersey, New York has more than 2x the population and Syracuse athletics is a notch or two above Rutgers, Syracuse could have gone B1G. Massachusetts is a smaller state but BC is a bigger name. I don't know if PSU wanted or could get another school from PA in the B1G.

Florida State and Clemson fans would probably vote for SEC. I don't know many Louisville fans, I suspect they would probably vote SEC as well.

I doubt BC and Syracuse ever had a serious chance with the Big Ten.

Rutgers wasn't taken based on the population of New Jersey. It was based on the populations of New Jersey and New York City, where a large number of Big Ten alums reside. The population base Syracuse draws is more upstate New York, which isn't a major alumni base for the B1G.

Since the Big East isn't coming back from the grave, I'd put SU and BC in the ACC for life group. They really have no other choice, IMO.

Pitt is the only school that might prefer the B1G, but I think they'd still lean toward the ACC.

I think Clemson is also a "might prefer" for the SEC. If the Tigers could have Tennessee, Georgia and Auburn on their schedules every year, they'd be pretty happy IMO. Swapping FSU for Florida is probably a wash with their fans, and there's a good chance they could keep Georgia Tech OOC. That would give them six annual opponents their fans would love to play, and there aren't many schools that would have more than that.

FSU is a little less likely to want the SEC. I think it would depend on whether they think they would be assigned to the SEC West (in which case, no) or to the East.

I once heard the Syracuse president express concern about competing with the giant public schools in the Big 10. I'm pretty sure the medium size privates would all prefer to stay together in the ACC over the SEC and B1G (SU, BC, WF, Duke, Miami, ND). And I don't think there is really any doubt that the relatively smaller, elite publics-UVA, UNC and GT would prefer to stay in the ACC. UNC and UVa likely had opportunities to go to the Big 10 this last cycle and chose to sign a GOR extension for clearly less money.

FSU, Clemson, NCSU, VT, Louisville are not as clear. I'm pretty sure Pitt would jump at a Big 10 invite.

First..If there comes a day when players a paid, it is very likely that this group of privates will break away and for their own conference. They will probably will be paid less, but will go anyway.
Second..If this does come to pass and you find a conference that includes Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, Miami, UVa, Carolina and Georgia Tech, Clemson, yes Clemson most likely will throw in with this lot for ten. The pressure on Pitt to stay with Notre Dame would be great enough for the Panthers to join this group too. Northwestern (if they choose to leave the B1G) or UConn would complete the group.

Georgia Tech, Clemson, Duke, Carolina, Wake Forest, UVa
Miami, Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Northwestern/UConn

And this bunch would be happy as clams even with fewer dollars.

Why is it your fantasy that Clemson would act in anyway to impede its ability to compete in football at the highest level? Clemson would be out of that group and into a football first conference quicker than Jackie Robinson stole home.

That's not what the folks on the Clemson faculty believe.

(05-30-2018 08:36 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 07:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 07:19 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 06:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 10:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  I doubt BC and Syracuse ever had a serious chance with the Big Ten.

Rutgers wasn't taken based on the population of New Jersey. It was based on the populations of New Jersey and New York City, where a large number of Big Ten alums reside. The population base Syracuse draws is more upstate New York, which isn't a major alumni base for the B1G.

Since the Big East isn't coming back from the grave, I'd put SU and BC in the ACC for life group. They really have no other choice, IMO.

Pitt is the only school that might prefer the B1G, but I think they'd still lean toward the ACC.

I think Clemson is also a "might prefer" for the SEC. If the Tigers could have Tennessee, Georgia and Auburn on their schedules every year, they'd be pretty happy IMO. Swapping FSU for Florida is probably a wash with their fans, and there's a good chance they could keep Georgia Tech OOC. That would give them six annual opponents their fans would love to play, and there aren't many schools that would have more than that.

FSU is a little less likely to want the SEC. I think it would depend on whether they think they would be assigned to the SEC West (in which case, no) or to the East.

I once heard the Syracuse president express concern about competing with the giant public schools in the Big 10. I'm pretty sure the medium size privates would all prefer to stay together in the ACC over the SEC and B1G (SU, BC, WF, Duke, Miami, ND). And I don't think there is really any doubt that the relatively smaller, elite publics-UVA, UNC and GT would prefer to stay in the ACC. UNC and UVa likely had opportunities to go to the Big 10 this last cycle and chose to sign a GOR extension for clearly less money.

FSU, Clemson, NCSU, VT, Louisville are not as clear. I'm pretty sure Pitt would jump at a Big 10 invite.

First..If there comes a day when players a paid, it is very likely that this group of privates will break away and for their own conference. They will probably will be paid less, but will go anyway.
Second..If this does come to pass and you find a conference that includes Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, Miami, UVa, Carolina and Georgia Tech, Clemson, yes Clemson most likely will throw in with this lot for ten. The pressure on Pitt to stay with Notre Dame would be great enough for the Panthers to join this group too. Northwestern (if they choose to leave the B1G) or UConn would complete the group.

Georgia Tech, Clemson, Duke, Carolina, Wake Forest, UVa
Miami, Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Northwestern/UConn

And this bunch would be happy as clams even with fewer dollars.

Why is it your fantasy that Clemson would act in anyway to impede its ability to compete in football at the highest level? Clemson would be out of that group and into a football first conference quicker than Jackie Robinson stole home.

That's not what the folks on the Clemson faculty believe.

X, I've never known many college or university faculty members who were grounded in the real world. They are the most cocooned bureaucrats you will ever meet.

(05-30-2018 08:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 08:36 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 07:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 07:19 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 06:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  I once heard the Syracuse president express concern about competing with the giant public schools in the Big 10. I'm pretty sure the medium size privates would all prefer to stay together in the ACC over the SEC and B1G (SU, BC, WF, Duke, Miami, ND). And I don't think there is really any doubt that the relatively smaller, elite publics-UVA, UNC and GT would prefer to stay in the ACC. UNC and UVa likely had opportunities to go to the Big 10 this last cycle and chose to sign a GOR extension for clearly less money.

FSU, Clemson, NCSU, VT, Louisville are not as clear. I'm pretty sure Pitt would jump at a Big 10 invite.

First..If there comes a day when players a paid, it is very likely that this group of privates will break away and for their own conference. They will probably will be paid less, but will go anyway.
Second..If this does come to pass and you find a conference that includes Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, Miami, UVa, Carolina and Georgia Tech, Clemson, yes Clemson most likely will throw in with this lot for ten. The pressure on Pitt to stay with Notre Dame would be great enough for the Panthers to join this group too. Northwestern (if they choose to leave the B1G) or UConn would complete the group.

Georgia Tech, Clemson, Duke, Carolina, Wake Forest, UVa
Miami, Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Northwestern/UConn

And this bunch would be happy as clams even with fewer dollars.

Why is it your fantasy that Clemson would act in anyway to impede its ability to compete in football at the highest level? Clemson would be out of that group and into a football first conference quicker than Jackie Robinson stole home.

That's not what the folks on the Clemson faculty believe.

X, I've never known many college or university faculty members who were grounded in the real world. They are the most cocooned bureaucrats you will ever meet.

Or as one of my favorite sayings goes, "The fights in academia are so fierce because the stakes are so low."

I could see the folks at UNC and Duke declaring paying football players is unseemly yet saying no way in hell are they getting left out in basketball.

Personally I just don't buy into doomsayers. There are going to be roster limits. Minnesota might say screw it we can't out-spend Michigan in football but we can out-spend them in hockey. Duke might not make any real effort to keep up with Clemson in football spending but fight hard in hoops. Arkansas might not try to keep up with Alabama in football spending or Kentucky in hoops and go all in on baseball.

As long as Duke isn't letting a bunch of G5's out-spend them in football, they will be no worse off.

Only people who are really going to notice players getting paid are going to be the coaches.

(05-30-2018 08:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 08:36 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 07:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 07:19 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 06:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  I once heard the Syracuse president express concern about competing with the giant public schools in the Big 10. I'm pretty sure the medium size privates would all prefer to stay together in the ACC over the SEC and B1G (SU, BC, WF, Duke, Miami, ND). And I don't think there is really any doubt that the relatively smaller, elite publics-UVA, UNC and GT would prefer to stay in the ACC. UNC and UVa likely had opportunities to go to the Big 10 this last cycle and chose to sign a GOR extension for clearly less money.

FSU, Clemson, NCSU, VT, Louisville are not as clear. I'm pretty sure Pitt would jump at a Big 10 invite.

First..If there comes a day when players a paid, it is very likely that this group of privates will break away and for their own conference. They will probably will be paid less, but will go anyway.
Second..If this does come to pass and you find a conference that includes Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, Miami, UVa, Carolina and Georgia Tech, Clemson, yes Clemson most likely will throw in with this lot for ten. The pressure on Pitt to stay with Notre Dame would be great enough for the Panthers to join this group too. Northwestern (if they choose to leave the B1G) or UConn would complete the group.

Georgia Tech, Clemson, Duke, Carolina, Wake Forest, UVa
Miami, Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Northwestern/UConn

And this bunch would be happy as clams even with fewer dollars.

Why is it your fantasy that Clemson would act in anyway to impede its ability to compete in football at the highest level? Clemson would be out of that group and into a football first conference quicker than Jackie Robinson stole home.

That's not what the folks on the Clemson faculty believe.

X, I've never known many college or university faculty members who were grounded in the real world. They are the most cocooned bureaucrats you will ever meet.

Irregardless of how you see college faculty, Clemson is more than likely wedded to the "core" for the duration.
That's OK, you can still have Florida State, Louisville and West Virginia. NC State and Virginia Tech are a pretty good "fit" for the B1G.

(05-30-2018 08:36 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 07:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 07:19 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 06:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 10:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  I doubt BC and Syracuse ever had a serious chance with the Big Ten.

Rutgers wasn't taken based on the population of New Jersey. It was based on the populations of New Jersey and New York City, where a large number of Big Ten alums reside. The population base Syracuse draws is more upstate New York, which isn't a major alumni base for the B1G.

Since the Big East isn't coming back from the grave, I'd put SU and BC in the ACC for life group. They really have no other choice, IMO.

Pitt is the only school that might prefer the B1G, but I think they'd still lean toward the ACC.

I think Clemson is also a "might prefer" for the SEC. If the Tigers could have Tennessee, Georgia and Auburn on their schedules every year, they'd be pretty happy IMO. Swapping FSU for Florida is probably a wash with their fans, and there's a good chance they could keep Georgia Tech OOC. That would give them six annual opponents their fans would love to play, and there aren't many schools that would have more than that.

FSU is a little less likely to want the SEC. I think it would depend on whether they think they would be assigned to the SEC West (in which case, no) or to the East.

I once heard the Syracuse president express concern about competing with the giant public schools in the Big 10. I'm pretty sure the medium size privates would all prefer to stay together in the ACC over the SEC and B1G (SU, BC, WF, Duke, Miami, ND). And I don't think there is really any doubt that the relatively smaller, elite publics-UVA, UNC and GT would prefer to stay in the ACC. UNC and UVa likely had opportunities to go to the Big 10 this last cycle and chose to sign a GOR extension for clearly less money.

FSU, Clemson, NCSU, VT, Louisville are not as clear. I'm pretty sure Pitt would jump at a Big 10 invite.

First..If there comes a day when players a paid, it is very likely that this group of privates will break away and for their own conference. They will probably will be paid less, but will go anyway.
Second..If this does come to pass and you find a conference that includes Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, Miami, UVa, Carolina and Georgia Tech, Clemson, yes Clemson most likely will throw in with this lot for ten. The pressure on Pitt to stay with Notre Dame would be great enough for the Panthers to join this group too. Northwestern (if they choose to leave the B1G) or UConn would complete the group.

Georgia Tech, Clemson, Duke, Carolina, Wake Forest, UVa
Miami, Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Northwestern/UConn

And this bunch would be happy as clams even with fewer dollars.

Why is it your fantasy that Clemson would act in anyway to impede its ability to compete in football at the highest level? Clemson would be out of that group and into a football first conference quicker than Jackie Robinson stole home.

That's not what the folks on the Clemson faculty believe.

The Clemson faculty wouldn't be making the decision, and this time neither will an anti-athletics president with a Chapel Hill fetish.

(05-31-2018 07:17 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 08:36 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 07:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 07:19 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 06:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  I once heard the Syracuse president express concern about competing with the giant public schools in the Big 10. I'm pretty sure the medium size privates would all prefer to stay together in the ACC over the SEC and B1G (SU, BC, WF, Duke, Miami, ND). And I don't think there is really any doubt that the relatively smaller, elite publics-UVA, UNC and GT would prefer to stay in the ACC. UNC and UVa likely had opportunities to go to the Big 10 this last cycle and chose to sign a GOR extension for clearly less money.

FSU, Clemson, NCSU, VT, Louisville are not as clear. I'm pretty sure Pitt would jump at a Big 10 invite.

First..If there comes a day when players a paid, it is very likely that this group of privates will break away and for their own conference. They will probably will be paid less, but will go anyway.
Second..If this does come to pass and you find a conference that includes Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, Miami, UVa, Carolina and Georgia Tech, Clemson, yes Clemson most likely will throw in with this lot for ten. The pressure on Pitt to stay with Notre Dame would be great enough for the Panthers to join this group too. Northwestern (if they choose to leave the B1G) or UConn would complete the group.

Georgia Tech, Clemson, Duke, Carolina, Wake Forest, UVa
Miami, Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Northwestern/UConn

And this bunch would be happy as clams even with fewer dollars.

Why is it your fantasy that Clemson would act in anyway to impede its ability to compete in football at the highest level? Clemson would be out of that group and into a football first conference quicker than Jackie Robinson stole home.

That's not what the folks on the Clemson faculty believe.

The Clemson faculty wouldn't be making the decision, and this time neither will an anti-athletics president with a Chapel Hill fetish.

One of the great Knight Commission mistakes was pushing the NCAA to reduce the influence of the Faculty Athletic Representative (FAR) and increase the power of the president.

Presidents generally have shorter times as CEO of an institution. Most have almost no athletic background prior to becoming the CEO of the institution (rare exception at AState where the Chancellor was FAR at Oklahoma).

The FAR is more insulated from the boosters and the politicians than the university CEO or the athletic director. FAR's tend to be tenured faculty members who hold the role for a very long time and become quite versed in the ins and outs of the NCAA and the conference.

If the FAR's were still the dominant force, I'd find what the faculty thinks is best a more compelling factor because it might give insight into the FAR's decisions.

When it comes to football tv value I think 90% of the ACC's value rests in 6-7 teams. If the SEC took 6 of those schools the value of the SEC's tv rights go up dramatically as there is no other show in town.

Six or seven is too many. The bulk of any conference's TV value is in just a few schools. Really it's two things: (1) "King" programs, and (2) ranked teams. That's what generates the best TV ratings. Fox and ESPN are paying the Big Ten because they get Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State games. If each game was priced separately, the price for, say, Illinois-Minnesota would be a very small fraction of the price for the Ohio State-Michigan game.

That's one reason why expansion for the sake of expansion doesn't add TV value. TV gets access to 11 Oklahoma games (they keep the FCS game) whether the Big 12 has 10 or 12 or 16 teams. If a conference wants to get an increase on the already high prices that TV is paying them, they have to add one of those few schools that TV wants no matter who the opponent is.