(05-27-2018 12:28 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(05-26-2018 09:43 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(05-26-2018 06:02 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Separate from the Russian attempts at election influence charges, which are certainly true, is the Trump campaign collusion claim and the investigation into those claims by Mueller. These claims have not yet been proven. But I continue to be amused that the dyed-in-the-wool Trump supporter dismisses out of hand that there is any credibility to those claims. The investigation isn't complete and public, so how would you know what evidence the Mueller team has against anyone connected to the Trump campaign? I'm not suggesting that the president or anyone closely connected to him is guilty of anything. I just want to know, based on the evidence (which has not yet been revealed), how you can be so certain?

We're not dismissing anything out of hand. Quite the contrary, there's a mountain of evidence supporting our belief that not only was there no collusion between Trump and the Russians to influence our election, the entire episode was manufactured to damage Trump, both before and after his election. Coupled with the fact that Congressional investigators have found no evidence of collusion, I'd say the safest bet at this time was that.........there was no collusion.

This.

We've been at this for 2 years. If there were even strong hints that our election were tainted, there is no way we would let the person continue in office. In any other 'crime', there would be a restraining order or injunction. I can't say what the actual legal order would be, but I can't imagine that we would simply let someone elected by fraud with strong evidence against him continue to sit in the office and issue executive orders.

and I am a staunch conservative who would have voted for Bernie over Trump. Let that sink in for a minute.


Here is the REAL issue....

According to the original report by the (11?) agencies, the purpose of Russian meddling in our elections WASN'T to elect a puppet... as Dems routinely charge... it was (and I'm paraphrasing, but close) 'erode confidence in our system'.

And whom is complicit in doing so? Butt-hurt Dems, especially Hillary calling for an end to the EC and all sorts of other things intended to literally erode confidence in our system.

Trump won. We get that 'you' didn't vote for him, but only a few of 'us' voted for Obama. That's modern politics. I didn't vote for him either because he supports some things I don't... but I put up with it because he won. I did the same for Obama, and John McCain is a family friend. Suck it up, put on your big boy pants and get your people elected NEXT time. This whole effort to de-legitimize Trump is PRECISELY what our intelligence people told us Russia was after, and you're giving it to them

I have to give you a "holy crap wow" to the bern patronage.....never saw that coming....

but the overall point you are making is XACLY! the issue....

so what does this say about the average individual??

hmmmmmmm..........

they either don't give a shite or are clueless (the majority), they are firm in their belief due 'their' subsidized back pocket (the majority that's gaining on it), or the one's have something to lose......

the elite doesn't matter unless the USD crumbles....but we already knew that....

this is where #henceDJT changed the game......

I didn't support bernies policies, but I felt he actually believed them and I knew neither party would go along with the craziest of them.

I should have said... of course they can still find something... but the longer it takes, the less likely it is

(05-27-2018 01:19 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I didn't support bernies policies, but I felt he actually believed them and I knew neither party would go along with the craziest of them.

I should have said... of course they can still find something... but the longer it takes, the less likely it is

okay.....there's no questioning they can 'find whatever'.....even the lay person gets that gist....

what I can't figure out is why bern over DJT out of the gate as a con??? (which is OT....so ignore as req'd)

that one is jive turkey in any logical construct....

the Donald has done everything he said he would do.....whether you believe that's his motive is irrelevant.....it's no different than stating the Bern is completely full of shite too.....

but that's just me.....

the bottom line is relative to the OP's topic, it's reached another level of politicized agenda that any of this has to be part of any logical discussion....

people like Clapper and the other deep state 'shite for brains' have contributed to something that I'm not comfortable can be resolved in it's current status....

that's all I really care about....

based on the evidence to date, people need to go to jail based on current law or laws have to be restructured......it then becomes the side of 'pick your poison'.....

and the bern side was easily not an option in any capacity......

Bottom line is the Left simply can not accept that HRC was a horrible candidate and lost because of it. They thought this election was going to be a landslide victory and so since day one of this administration are still looking in the wrong place for the reason she lost. HRC was a self inflicted wound from the start. She is a horrible person that failed to rally her base. That is why she lost.

(05-27-2018 02:19 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 01:19 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I didn't support bernies policies, but I felt he actually believed them and I knew neither party would go along with the craziest of them.

I should have said... of course they can still find something... but the longer it takes, the less likely it is

okay.....there's no questioning they can 'find whatever'.....even the lay person gets that gist....

what I can't figure out is why bern over DJT out of the gate as a con??? (which is OT....so ignore as req'd)

that one is jive turkey in any logical construct....

the Donald has done everything he said he would do.....whether you believe that's his motive is irrelevant.....it's no different than stating the Bern is completely full of shite too.....

but that's just me.....

the bottom line is relative to the OP's topic, it's reached another level of politicized agenda that any of this has to be part of any logical discussion....

people like Clapper and the other deep state 'shite for brains' have contributed to something that I'm not comfortable can be resolved in it's current status....

that's all I really care about....

based on the evidence to date, people need to go to jail based on current law or laws have to be restructured......it then becomes the side of 'pick your poison'.....

and the bern side was easily not an option in any capacity......

To be perfectly honest, that was my position when Bernie and Hillary were in the battle. I think Bernie to be generally honest, and that goes a long way with me when the other two were POLITICAL in their handling of the truth. Had it actually been the decision, I MIGHT have felt differently.... but that's what I said until she was nominated. After then, it was no contest.

I had no problem with those who favored Trump and I was 'okay' with him winning primarily on the SCOTUS nomination alone.... and certainly would have voted for him over her.

The left is correct about Trump's virtues etc, but their candidate was just as bad/arguably worse.

Former CIA Dir. Hayden Calls Out Clapper For ‘Unknowable’ Russia Claim



So how long before Claptrap attacks Hayden?

Quote:Former CIA Director Michael Hayden called out James Clapper on Sunday for claiming to know that Russians decided the 2016 election.

Clapper wrote in his new book that he has “no doubt” Russian meddling swung the election in favor of Trump, but during a Friday night CNN interview he all but admitted he has no evidence for the claim.

Hayden told Martha Raddatz on ABC’s “This Week” that it is “unknowable” how much Russians influenced the election and he knocked the former director of national intelligence for claiming otherwise.

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