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RE: UAB Baseball’s Path to a Conference USA Championship
JSU and Sanford are winning in weaker leagues. Still beating us though. We had some mind numbing WTF losses this year no doubt. We don’t have the money the SEC is bringing in to funnel to other sports and the scholarship issue does come into play. Young field still needs major upgrades since we play half our games there. Our results are disappointing but I’m not sure a coaching changes fixes all our problems. His seat should be at least warm.
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RE: UAB Baseball’s Path to a Conference USA Championship
Maybe he should honestly be asked this time what is needed to take the program up a notch.

With Regions, the batting cages, etc. I am not sure that anything else can be done without dipping down a few notches on quality people & getting a few notches up on players.

I wouldn't expect Shoop to do that though & with the way things are going the last thing we need is baseball players who are trouble makers.

At least he has that going for him.
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Just some info: In high school I attended Shoop camps at Bham Southern 3 years in a row. He knew I wasn't going to play there as I wanted to study engineering. That said, he shared his code of conduct for student-athletes and it was extremely strict. I know a few players that played under Shoop at UAB and he brought most of that code of conduct with him. It's costing him on the recruiting trail. By no means should UAB abandon the consideration of a recruit's character, but the (almost) draconian religious/conduct standards eliminates UAB from consideration from some (not all, of course) highly sought after players being recruited by other secular institutions. I have always been of the opinion that Shoop will struggle at any public university/college. He's brought many players to UAB with character that the school and fans can be proud of but there is a middle, or more moderate, ground.
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BTW, Samford is a Baptist school but I know guys that played there and their code still isn’t as strict as Shoop’s whether he was at BSC or UAB.
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(05-28-2018 09:12 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  JSU and Sanford are winning in weaker leagues. Still beating us though. We had some mind numbing WTF losses this year no doubt. We don’t have the money the SEC is bringing in to funnel to other sports and the scholarship issue does come into play. Young field still needs major upgrades since we play half our games there. Our results are disappointing but I’m not sure a coaching changes fixes all our problems. His seat should be at least warm.
All of the UAB games need to be played at Regions. That is a big problem that could be fixed. University of Utah shares ballpark with 3A team. Market the program a bit like Barons and can turn things around.
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(05-28-2018 11:25 PM)blazr Wrote:  BTW, Samford is a Baptist school but I know guys that played there and their code still isn’t as strict as Shoop’s whether he was at BSC or UAB.

BTW, So is Baylor University but that did not mean the Baptist Church should be held responsible for the school's basketball and football programs as run by their coaches. The "M" in SMU stands for Methodist but that school's football program got the "Death penalty" from the NCAA for repeated transgressions.
Coaches make a program what it is regardless of the name on the campus entrance.
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(05-28-2018 11:10 PM)blazr Wrote:  Just some info: In high school I attended Shoop camps at Bham Southern 3 years in a row. He knew I wasn't going to play there as I wanted to study engineering. That said, he shared his code of conduct for student-athletes and it was extremely strict. I know a few players that played under Shoop at UAB and he brought most of that code of conduct with him. It's costing him on the recruiting trail. By no means should UAB abandon the consideration of a recruit's character, but the (almost) draconian religious/conduct standards eliminates UAB from consideration from some (not all, of course) highly sought after players being recruited by other secular institutions. I have always been of the opinion that Shoop will struggle at any public university/college. He's brought many players to UAB with character that the school and fans can be proud of but there is a middle, or more moderate, ground.

We need to decide if we want to compete for Championships in baseball or not. Tightened recruiting standards hurt basketball and nearly killed football. Not saying let in murderer's and degenerates. As I stated when we were under academic restrictions, when you have more strict in standards than Princeton who is FCS you have problems. There is some middle ground that can be obtained without conflicting the core values of your program.
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RE: UAB Baseball’s Path to a Conference USA Championship
(05-30-2018 11:29 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 11:10 PM)blazr Wrote:  Just some info: In high school I attended Shoop camps at Bham Southern 3 years in a row. He knew I wasn't going to play there as I wanted to study engineering. That said, he shared his code of conduct for student-athletes and it was extremely strict. I know a few players that played under Shoop at UAB and he brought most of that code of conduct with him. It's costing him on the recruiting trail. By no means should UAB abandon the consideration of a recruit's character, but the (almost) draconian religious/conduct standards eliminates UAB from consideration from some (not all, of course) highly sought after players being recruited by other secular institutions. I have always been of the opinion that Shoop will struggle at any public university/college. He's brought many players to UAB with character that the school and fans can be proud of but there is a middle, or more moderate, ground.

We need to decide if we want to compete for Championships in baseball or not. Tightened recruiting standards hurt basketball and nearly killed football. Not saying let in murderer's and degenerates. As I stated when we were under academic restrictions, when you have more strict in standards than Princeton who is FCS you have problems. There is some middle ground that can be obtained without conflicting the core values of your program.

Coach Davis, when recruiting against Calipary at Memphis, went to our AD to ask if UAB might "meet the competition" by making a similar offer regarding NLOIs "out clauses" as Memphis was willing to do. UAB decided not to do that and the rest is history. Calipary wound up at UKY with the players in question and Davis wound up in Texas. Where would you say UAB wound up? Perhaps in irony, UAB fans agreed with the AD's stand, then began griping that Davis stayed at UAB too long after fussing that he was trying to shop himself around to leave immediately with those players.
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(05-30-2018 05:21 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  
(05-30-2018 11:29 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 11:10 PM)blazr Wrote:  Just some info: In high school I attended Shoop camps at Bham Southern 3 years in a row. He knew I wasn't going to play there as I wanted to study engineering. That said, he shared his code of conduct for student-athletes and it was extremely strict. I know a few players that played under Shoop at UAB and he brought most of that code of conduct with him. It's costing him on the recruiting trail. By no means should UAB abandon the consideration of a recruit's character, but the (almost) draconian religious/conduct standards eliminates UAB from consideration from some (not all, of course) highly sought after players being recruited by other secular institutions. I have always been of the opinion that Shoop will struggle at any public university/college. He's brought many players to UAB with character that the school and fans can be proud of but there is a middle, or more moderate, ground.

We need to decide if we want to compete for Championships in baseball or not. Tightened recruiting standards hurt basketball and nearly killed football. Not saying let in murderer's and degenerates. As I stated when we were under academic restrictions, when you have more strict in standards than Princeton who is FCS you have problems. There is some middle ground that can be obtained without conflicting the core values of your program.

Coach Davis, when recruiting against Calipary at Memphis, went to our AD to ask if UAB might "meet the competition" by making a similar offer regarding NLOIs "out clauses" as Memphis was willing to do. UAB decided not to do that and the rest is history. Calipary wound up at UKY with the players in question and Davis wound up in Texas. Where would you say UAB wound up? Perhaps in irony, UAB fans agreed with the AD's stand, then began griping that Davis stayed at UAB too long after fussing that he was trying to shop himself around to leave immediately with those players.

That's just stupid. This has nothing to do with letters of intent and see how well that worked out for Memphis? They agreed to the out clause and guess what? All those recruits opted out with Calipari.

This is about relaxing Wesleyan code of conduct standards at a secular institution. As I recall, your beloved drunken bahr wound up with a top-notch QB who didn't like the code of conduct standards and all-male student body at Notre Dame.
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Bringing basketball or any other sport into this discussion isn't legit.
This situation is unique to baseball and unique to baseball within the state of Alabama.
Other program like Samford, USA, Troy, Jax State, etc. seem to be able to do decently, why can't UAB?
As mentioned, there has to be a mixture of talent as well as goodness in the players.
Too much goodness and a drop off in talent will get you gigs at churches but it won't get you very far in the conference.
Likewise too much talent and a drop off in goodness will get you players that you have to dismiss and/or bail out of jail.

We all have given Shoop a pass because of his standards, etc. however we must have a new discussion on what his expectations should be and what is needed to achieve those expectations.
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(05-31-2018 12:06 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  Bringing basketball or any other sport into this discussion isn't legit.
This situation is unique to baseball and unique to baseball within the state of Alabama.
Other program like Samford, USA, Troy, Jax State, etc. seem to be able to do decently, why can't UAB?
As mentioned, there has to be a mixture of talent as well as goodness in the players.
Too much goodness and a drop off in talent will get you gigs at churches but it won't get you very far in the conference.
Likewise too much talent and a drop off in goodness will get you players that you have to dismiss and/or bail out of jail.

We all have given Shoop a pass because of his standards, etc. however we must have a new discussion on what his expectations should be and what is needed to achieve those expectations.

This is a good way to put it. I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like NCAA baseball has taken a step forward this season towards becoming a larger (revenue generating) sport. I, and I'm sure all of you, would love for UAB to be able to take advantage of this. ESPN had a good article about lower level schools saying "If CCU can win a national championship, why not us?"
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(05-31-2018 08:38 AM)BlazerFromMD Wrote:  
(05-30-2018 05:21 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  
(05-30-2018 11:29 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 11:10 PM)blazr Wrote:  Just some info: In high school I attended Shoop camps at Bham Southern 3 years in a row. He knew I wasn't going to play there as I wanted to study engineering. That said, he shared his code of conduct for student-athletes and it was extremely strict. I know a few players that played under Shoop at UAB and he brought most of that code of conduct with him. It's costing him on the recruiting trail. By no means should UAB abandon the consideration of a recruit's character, but the (almost) draconian religious/conduct standards eliminates UAB from consideration from some (not all, of course) highly sought after players being recruited by other secular institutions. I have always been of the opinion that Shoop will struggle at any public university/college. He's brought many players to UAB with character that the school and fans can be proud of but there is a middle, or more moderate, ground.

We need to decide if we want to compete for Championships in baseball or not. Tightened recruiting standards hurt basketball and nearly killed football. Not saying let in murderer's and degenerates. As I stated when we were under academic restrictions, when you have more strict in standards than Princeton who is FCS you have problems. There is some middle ground that can be obtained without conflicting the core values of your program.

Coach Davis, when recruiting against Calipary at Memphis, went to our AD to ask if UAB might "meet the competition" by making a similar offer regarding NLOIs "out clauses" as Memphis was willing to do. UAB decided not to do that and the rest is history. Calipary wound up at UKY with the players in question and Davis wound up in Texas. Where would you say UAB wound up? Perhaps in irony, UAB fans agreed with the AD's stand, then began griping that Davis stayed at UAB too long after fussing that he was trying to shop himself around to leave immediately with those players.

That's just stupid. This has nothing to do with letters of intent and see how well that worked out for Memphis? They agreed to the out clause and guess what? All those recruits opted out with Calipari.

This is about relaxing Wesleyan code of conduct standards at a secular institution. As I recall, your beloved drunken bahr wound up with a top-notch QB who didn't like the code of conduct standards and all-male student body at Notre Dame.

I was speaking from the perspective of what BBHC Davis was facing on the recruiting circuit in the tactics Calipary was using at that time. Davis made his proposal based on what confronted him and UAB made its choice which Davis accepted. No one could foretell the future in how it would all work out for all the parties over the next decade.

WHAT IF UAB had taken a different tack and accepted Davis proposal? UAB might have played a year or two with Cousins and company with our program being invited into a "better conference" by the time they left. We will never know what might have been -- only what was.
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(05-31-2018 12:52 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  
(05-31-2018 08:38 AM)BlazerFromMD Wrote:  
(05-30-2018 05:21 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  
(05-30-2018 11:29 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 11:10 PM)blazr Wrote:  Just some info: In high school I attended Shoop camps at Bham Southern 3 years in a row. He knew I wasn't going to play there as I wanted to study engineering. That said, he shared his code of conduct for student-athletes and it was extremely strict. I know a few players that played under Shoop at UAB and he brought most of that code of conduct with him. It's costing him on the recruiting trail. By no means should UAB abandon the consideration of a recruit's character, but the (almost) draconian religious/conduct standards eliminates UAB from consideration from some (not all, of course) highly sought after players being recruited by other secular institutions. I have always been of the opinion that Shoop will struggle at any public university/college. He's brought many players to UAB with character that the school and fans can be proud of but there is a middle, or more moderate, ground.

We need to decide if we want to compete for Championships in baseball or not. Tightened recruiting standards hurt basketball and nearly killed football. Not saying let in murderer's and degenerates. As I stated when we were under academic restrictions, when you have more strict in standards than Princeton who is FCS you have problems. There is some middle ground that can be obtained without conflicting the core values of your program.

Coach Davis, when recruiting against Calipary at Memphis, went to our AD to ask if UAB might "meet the competition" by making a similar offer regarding NLOIs "out clauses" as Memphis was willing to do. UAB decided not to do that and the rest is history. Calipary wound up at UKY with the players in question and Davis wound up in Texas. Where would you say UAB wound up? Perhaps in irony, UAB fans agreed with the AD's stand, then began griping that Davis stayed at UAB too long after fussing that he was trying to shop himself around to leave immediately with those players.

That's just stupid. This has nothing to do with letters of intent and see how well that worked out for Memphis? They agreed to the out clause and guess what? All those recruits opted out with Calipari.

This is about relaxing Wesleyan code of conduct standards at a secular institution. As I recall, your beloved drunken bahr wound up with a top-notch QB who didn't like the code of conduct standards and all-male student body at Notre Dame.

I was speaking from the perspective of what BBHC Davis was facing on the recruiting circuit in the tactics Calipary was using at that time. Davis made his proposal based on what confronted him and UAB made its choice which Davis accepted. No one could foretell the future in how it would all work out for all the parties over the next decade.

WHAT IF UAB had taken a different tack and accepted Davis proposal? UAB might have played a year or two with Cousins and company with our program being invited into a "better conference" by the time they left. We will never know what might have been -- only what was.

Dammit. You are a former educator. Learn to spell someone's name correctly.

And you are still off topic.
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