Not that most of you care, but Cal Baptist was 5th in Mens Cross Country and 3rd for the Women at the DII NCAA Championships. They will compete well in that sport.

(06-01-2018 05:51 AM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  Not that most of you care, but Cal Baptist was 5th in Mens Cross Country and 3rd for the Women at the DII NCAA Championships. They will compete well in that sport.

That's great. Wouldn't be at or near the top of Learfield Cup standings without multiple strong teams throughout the athletic department. If you must add a D2 program to the conference (and we must), the WAC could've done a lot worse and not much better than CBU. Excited to welcome them, for sure.

(06-01-2018 12:26 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  I am absolutely shocked that anyone would question Coach Croy’s ability or resume. He is legit and is probably one of the more accomplished WAC coaches on day one when Cal Baptist steps on the court for the first time as a D1 institution. Does that mean Cal Baptist will set the WAC on fire? Does that mean they are instantly in the upper echelon of the WAC? No. But if I’m moving up, I want someone like Croy leading the troops. Dude is legit...

I'm so happy I can finaly agree with you on something on this board my fellow Aggie fan. I feel great! I don't think Cal Baptist will screw their coach for some flashy not proven hire like some other university in the WAC which will remain nameless...…..

(06-01-2018 12:31 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  

(06-01-2018 12:26 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  I am absolutely shocked that anyone would question Coach Croy’s ability or resume. He is legit and is probably one of the more accomplished WAC coaches on day one when Cal Baptist steps on the court for the first time as a D1 institution. Does that mean Cal Baptist will set the WAC on fire? Does that mean they are instantly in the upper echelon of the WAC? No. But if I’m moving up, I want someone like Croy leading the troops. Dude is legit...

I'm so happy I can finaly agree with you on something on this board my fellow Aggie fan. I feel great! I don't think Cal Baptist will screw their coach for some flashy not proven hire like some other university in the WAC which will remain nameless...…..

Right? Chicago State did Dildy so wrong. Still pissed me right off...

SoCal,

People in Riverside are going to be less interested in some small Protestant school than a public UC their kids are more likely to attend. There are a number of good venues in the LA Basin (I know from when my son was in the travel AAU circuit) and all have the same experience for attendance. Students and some close friends and relatives. This wont change for CBU. If it's an "in" thing, then you'll have 1500+ screaming students and look pretty good with 2000+ attending. Townees are not going to suddenly like 3rd tier college basketball enough to not watch Netflix because some Baptist college has a team, not even Baptists. Catholic League HS games will continue to be better attended.

You are drinking the cool-aid of the school advertising.

CBU will out draw UCR for overall attendance for the next 10 years. I know the bar is set low but CBU will attract eyes. You don't have to subscribe to Christian theology to enjoy CBU basketball and I think it will be pretty good under Croy. Thats what will bring in the Island Empire eyes. Solid basketball.

(06-01-2018 01:36 PM)gleadley Wrote:  

(06-01-2018 12:31 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  

(06-01-2018 12:26 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  I am absolutely shocked that anyone would question Coach Croy’s ability or resume. He is legit and is probably one of the more accomplished WAC coaches on day one when Cal Baptist steps on the court for the first time as a D1 institution. Does that mean Cal Baptist will set the WAC on fire? Does that mean they are instantly in the upper echelon of the WAC? No. But if I’m moving up, I want someone like Croy leading the troops. Dude is legit...

I'm so happy I can finaly agree with you on something on this board my fellow Aggie fan. I feel great! I don't think Cal Baptist will screw their coach for some flashy not proven hire like some other university in the WAC which will remain nameless...…..

Right? Chicago State did Dildy so wrong. Still pissed me right off...

Still not over it. Dildy is a South Side legend keeping the Department alive in an impossible situation. 3 months later; no coach, top player left early, 3* recruit gone, and promising JC recruit gone.

Glad to see the support and empathy. It’s appreciated!

(06-01-2018 02:06 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  SoCal,

People in Riverside are going to be less interested in some small Protestant school than a public UC their kids are more likely to attend. There are a number of good venues in the LA Basin (I know from when my son was in the travel AAU circuit) and all have the same experience for attendance. Students and some close friends and relatives. This wont change for CBU. If it's an "in" thing, then you'll have 1500+ screaming students and look pretty good with 2000+ attending. Townees are not going to suddenly like 3rd tier college basketball enough to not watch Netflix because some Baptist college has a team, not even Baptists. Catholic League HS games will continue to be better attended.

You are drinking the cool-aid of the school advertising.

Stu,

This past season, UCR averaged 552 fans per game or a total of 4,414 fans for 8 Big West conference home games. Their Student Rec Center is a horrible place to watch a game. They know they need a new arena. They don't market their home games. The parking sucks.

CBU drew 4,414 fans for a home conference game with Azusa Pacific. They got the same number of fans for one conference home game that UCR drew in 8 conference home games. They also drew 4,680 fans for their conference home game with Biola, which was televised live on Fox Sports Prime Ticket.

Both of those games were played on a Saturday Night. These are D2 games. What you don't get about the Inland Empire and Riverside is that people will attend games if they have a good venue to go to. The Ontario Reign Minor League Hockey team draws over 8,500 fans per game.

The Inland Empire has 4 million people with another two million expected in the next 30 years. There is only UCR for D1 basketball in the area. The closest D1 school, besides UCR, is Cal State Fullerton, which is about 30 miles from the CBU campus in Orange County. There is nothing out here for sports entertainment other than minor league sports. CBU is going to own this area because their competition (UCR) is unable or unwilling to address their issues.

By the way, CBU is hard not to notice. They advertise all over the place. Everywhere you go you see CBU signs and it is beginning to win the city over. I think this article shows what UCR is up against:

https://www.pe.com/2017/01/15/alexander-...r-respond/

Prospective donors who didn’t graduate from either school will have the choice of (a) the older program that plays in a big gym and has yet to seriously contend for a conference title in men’s basketball, the marquee sport, or (b) a spiffy new arena and the opportunity to be in at the start of something big.

(06-01-2018 01:36 PM)gleadley Wrote:  

(06-01-2018 12:31 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  

(06-01-2018 12:26 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  I am absolutely shocked that anyone would question Coach Croy’s ability or resume. He is legit and is probably one of the more accomplished WAC coaches on day one when Cal Baptist steps on the court for the first time as a D1 institution. Does that mean Cal Baptist will set the WAC on fire? Does that mean they are instantly in the upper echelon of the WAC? No. But if I’m moving up, I want someone like Croy leading the troops. Dude is legit...

I'm so happy I can finaly agree with you on something on this board my fellow Aggie fan. I feel great! I don't think Cal Baptist will screw their coach for some flashy not proven hire like some other university in the WAC which will remain nameless...…..

Right? Chicago State did Dildy so wrong. Still pissed me right off...

UTRGV screwed our coach when we moved up. Ryan Marks was doing OK (0.500 record, which was a major improvement) but when we joined the WAC they dumped him for Disastrous Dan "the Ejected" Hipsher. For no other reason I can tell other than thinking a major D-I coach with a losing record was more prestigous than what we had.

Marks even got Northwestern to visit one year back when UTPA was a Great West (ie. Independent) school and nearly beat them. That guy had the wits, just needed time to build the program up. Never had the chance to recruit in an autobid league.

Ryan Marks is a winner at every stop besides UTRGV/UTPA where he was 38-39. HE is a better coach than who they have had I think in recent years.

First post, really great information from everybody here - SoCalBobcat78 nails it. CBU will take their lumps, to be expected. My son played for Coach Croy the last two years and absolutely loved his time there. They have a great blueprint, the new arena is first class, the community and student body have been extremely supportive, the school is definitely invested and other sports are extremely competitive.

The travel will be interesting, nothing like hopping on a bus to Azuza Pacific or Concordia. Time will tell right? Excited to see the WAC talent, I'll bandwagon this board and enjoy reading your commentary along the way. Kevin

(06-07-2018 11:04 AM)KTodd Wrote:  First post, really great information from everybody here - SoCalBobcat78 nails it. CBU will take their lumps, to be expected. My son played for Coach Croy the last two years and absolutely loved his time there. They have a great blueprint, the new arena is first class, the community and student body have been extremely supportive, the school is definitely invested and other sports are extremely competitive.

The travel will be interesting, nothing like hopping on a bus to Azuza Pacific or Concordia. Time will tell right? Excited to see the WAC talent, I'll bandwagon this board and enjoy reading your commentary along the way. Kevin

Welcome to the board! Glad to have Cal Baptist represented.

(06-07-2018 11:04 AM)KTodd Wrote:  First post, really great information from everybody here - SoCalBobcat78 nails it. CBU will take their lumps, to be expected. My son played for Coach Croy the last two years and absolutely loved his time there. They have a great blueprint, the new arena is first class, the community and student body have been extremely supportive, the school is definitely invested and other sports are extremely competitive.

The travel will be interesting, nothing like hopping on a bus to Azuza Pacific or Concordia. Time will tell right? Excited to see the WAC talent, I'll bandwagon this board and enjoy reading your commentary along the way. Kevin

All good stuff! Glad to have you on the board and excited to have CBU join the WAC.

Welcome to the WAC Boards, K.

Sitting on a toilet somewhere and interacting with you.

(06-07-2018 11:04 AM)KTodd Wrote:  First post, really great information from everybody here - SoCalBobcat78 nails it. CBU will take their lumps, to be expected. My son played for Coach Croy the last two years and absolutely loved his time there. They have a great blueprint, the new arena is first class, the community and student body have been extremely supportive, the school is definitely invested and other sports are extremely competitive.

The travel will be interesting, nothing like hopping on a bus to Azuza Pacific or Concordia. Time will tell right? Excited to see the WAC talent, I'll bandwagon this board and enjoy reading your commentary along the way. Kevin

Welcome Kevin! Great to see someone who supports Cal Baptist here. Got any friends? Would love to see more CBU fans on here.

(06-07-2018 11:04 AM)KTodd Wrote:  First post, really great information from everybody here - SoCalBobcat78 nails it. CBU will take their lumps, to be expected. My son played for Coach Croy the last two years and absolutely loved his time there. They have a great blueprint, the new arena is first class, the community and student body have been extremely supportive, the school is definitely invested and other sports are extremely competitive.

The travel will be interesting, nothing like hopping on a bus to Azuza Pacific or Concordia. Time will tell right? Excited to see the WAC talent, I'll bandwagon this board and enjoy reading your commentary along the way. Kevin

Let me be the first to say...

I'm sorry. It's not you. It's them.

That might not make a lot of sense now, but stick it in your back pocket. I promise it will come in handy soon enough. Happy to have you here, and looking forward to welcoming the Lancers to the WAC.

(06-07-2018 09:48 PM)gleadley Wrote:  

(06-07-2018 11:04 AM)KTodd Wrote:  First post, really great information from everybody here - SoCalBobcat78 nails it. CBU will take their lumps, to be expected. My son played for Coach Croy the last two years and absolutely loved his time there. They have a great blueprint, the new arena is first class, the community and student body have been extremely supportive, the school is definitely invested and other sports are extremely competitive.

The travel will be interesting, nothing like hopping on a bus to Azuza Pacific or Concordia. Time will tell right? Excited to see the WAC talent, I'll bandwagon this board and enjoy reading your commentary along the way. Kevin

Let me be the first to say...

I'm sorry. It's not you. It's them.

That might not make a lot of sense now, but stick it in your back pocket. I promise it will come in handy soon enough. Happy to have you here, and looking forward to welcoming the Lancers to the WAC.

Hate to say it but not now or in the future will what you are saying makes sense. It's obvious what you are implying but won't happen. Cal Baptist is non profit, faithful to it's coach during the transition from Division II to Division I, and doesn't think the world revolves around them. Welcome Cal Baptist. I love the addition.

(06-07-2018 12:23 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(06-07-2018 11:04 AM)KTodd Wrote:  First post, really great information from everybody here - SoCalBobcat78 nails it. CBU will take their lumps, to be expected. My son played for Coach Croy the last two years and absolutely loved his time there. They have a great blueprint, the new arena is first class, the community and student body have been extremely supportive, the school is definitely invested and other sports are extremely competitive.

The travel will be interesting, nothing like hopping on a bus to Azuza Pacific or Concordia. Time will tell right? Excited to see the WAC talent, I'll bandwagon this board and enjoy reading your commentary along the way. Kevin

All good stuff! Glad to have you on the board and excited to have CBU join the WAC.

Sent you a private message PP. Don't worry. It's civil!

I'm totes jelly no one on here sends me love notes.... haha