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(05-24-2018 12:04 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 11:13 AM)timxlydon Wrote:  It's hard for me to judge STF. In my opinion, he has done a pretty god job with scheduling. Rod Carey may be doofus, but he has had one sub .500 year as a head coach. Why fire him when the school has no money to hire anyone worth a damn? Monty on the other hand should have been gone by now. If he hasn't been fired due to money, NIU is in some serious trouble.

I think that STF is probably a great AD, but has not has the support and resources at NIU to really make a difference. My fear is that if he does leave, NIU will need to settle on a less expensive AD and set athletics back for a long time, if not forever.

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The current trajectory is a sharp decline. I think NIU needs to go the lifer route. Need someone who is invested in the program for the long haul a la Toledo Rockets. The stability is more important than having a bright up and comer for a year or two.
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(05-23-2018 10:56 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Thanks everyone I appreciate it!

I will say one thing about STF, he did bring us the Utah game this year, and that is more than any AD has done here in about 15 years. A low bar yes, but thanks for that! I do not blame him at all for not being able to fulfill the grand facility visions, we are lucky to have a D1 program still with the catastrophic budget issues. My biggest gripe with him is the way he treats every day fans, never have seen an AD have that much disdain for the common fan.

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(05-23-2018 04:37 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  This is why SF will never make a coaching change while he is here. He wants the house to be in order so he can bid on every job that comes up. Seriously, the quicker he is gone, the quicker NIU can start to rebuild. He checked out about a year after he was here.

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Checked out after a year...not even close to being true. What is your plan for a rebuild? Rebuild means something is broken. That takes a very negative connotation in my opinion. Things can improve but rebuild? No way.
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(05-23-2018 10:56 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Thanks everyone I appreciate it!

I will say one thing about STF, he did bring us the Utah game this year, and that is more than any AD has done here in about 15 years. A low bar yes, but thanks for that! I do not blame him at all for not being able to fulfill the grand facility visions, we are lucky to have a D1 program still with the catastrophic budget issues. My biggest gripe with him is the way he treats every day fans, never have seen an AD have that much disdain for the common fan.

Also totally false. I can’t believe this garbage. I have seen him spend lots of time talking to “common fans” when he didn’t have to. Have you ever tried? Do you attend any events? You spread false information that does nothing for the program. He’s worked on many things that don’t go public so this is not at all a true or fair statement.
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(05-23-2018 10:56 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Thanks everyone I appreciate it!

I will say one thing about STF, he did bring us the Utah game this year, and that is more than any AD has done here in about 15 years. A low bar yes, but thanks for that! I do not blame him at all for not being able to fulfill the grand facility visions, we are lucky to have a D1 program still with the catastrophic budget issues. My biggest gripe with him is the way he treats every day fans, never have seen an AD have that much disdain for the common fan.

Also totally false. I can’t believe this garbage. I have seen him spend lots of time talking to “common fans” when he didn’t have to. Have you ever tried?

Yes. and he blocked me on twitter
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(05-23-2018 04:37 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  This is why SF will never make a coaching change while he is here. He wants the house to be in order so he can bid on every job that comes up. Seriously, the quicker he is gone, the quicker NIU can start to rebuild. He checked out about a year after he was here.

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Checked out after a year...not even close to being true. What is your plan for a rebuild? Rebuild means something is broken. That takes a very negative connotation in my opinion. Things can improve but rebuild? No way.

By rebuild I just mean, not pushing NIU to lose Division 1 status because it would create an innovative playoff system that can be put on a resume and not offend the "big boys". Also, listening to feedback from fans, and why attendance is tanking, and not dismissing this attendance drop as "fans need to step their game up like Alabama fans". I just want an AD here who will do what is right for NIU, and not having their rocket fast upward mobility in their career as their number one priority. NIU has really been damaged by having a string of ADs that are looking to their next job not long after they arrive. Because NIU has been seen as that stepping stone, ADs do not even bother laying one finger on the basketball program in fear of it tainting their career. We just need an AD who is ready to be immersed and devoted to growing NIU athletics and growing fan bases in both major sports again. I think Frazier at this point is so pissed off at being overlooked for the next job that it is really affecting him with the NIU part of the job. And finally look how this type of "short-timer AD" has affected coaching positions. Compher wanted to get out as soon as he could so avoided the traditional vetting of coaches and threw Carey in there, and now STF is so desperate to get out that he will not make any coaching moves so nothing will be anchoring him down to leave right away when that opportunity arrives. There just has to be a balance.
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Welcome back MD! We missed you

In my personal opinion, STF has been our best AD in my lifetime. Only Jim Phillips comes close. The lack of fan support, declining enrollment, and state financial crisis are all things above his pay grade, but he has still tried to come up with ideas to curtail those things. He hasn’t given up. And the few times I have encountered him he has been friendly and remembered who I was. That is much appreciated. And I am no big shot donor. The student athletes cumulative gpa and the big improvements in some of the lady sports are nice program builders he can take credit for
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It might be that you need an AD from a small program that doesn't have all the advantages of a P5 school - assuming of course, that they were able to come up with creative ways to advance the program and were able to utilize whatever limited resources they had at their disposal.
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IMO, the best AD we have had in a while is Cary Groth. Cary stuck with and backed Joe. She also worked hard at bringing in donations and was simply wonderful in dealing with the fans. She really got out and mingled with fans, and she always had a handshake or hug available. She was great at making you feel like a part of the Huskie family.
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(05-25-2018 09:37 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  IMO, the best AD we have had in a while is Cary Groth. Cary stuck with and backed Joe. She also worked hard at bringing in donations and was simply wonderful in dealing with the fans. She really got out and mingled with fans, and she always had a handshake or hug available. She was great at making you feel like a part of the Huskie family.

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(05-25-2018 12:41 AM)machoman83 Wrote:  Welcome back MD! We missed you

In my personal opinion, STF has been our best AD in my lifetime. Only Jim Phillips comes close. The lack of fan support, declining enrollment, and state financial crisis are all things above his pay grade, but he has still tried to come up with ideas to curtail those things. He hasn’t given up. And the few times I have encountered him he has been friendly and remembered who I was. That is much appreciated. And I am no big shot donor. The student athletes cumulative gpa and the big improvements in some of the lady sports are nice program builders he can take credit for

Everyone is entitled to their opinion machoman83. Clearly your lifetime proves you're very young as does the statement "big improvements in some of the lady sports."
There was a time during affiliations with Mid-Continent and Midwestern Collegiate Conferences when our women's programs were the dominant power from sport to sport (volleyball to soccer to basketball to softball to tennis to golf). The strength of our women's programs were a plus in NIU's efforts to e re-admitted to the MAC. Despite all the chest thumping about gpa (which should not be less than it is and is the same at virtually every major college), NIU seldom takes even the top MAC academic program award.
For every person who has had good dealings with STF there is one who has experienced the opposite. With all due respect to Dtownboys, MD's observations are not totally false just as your's aren't either. I've personally witnessed -- and experienced -- two totally different STFs. For you to question whether MD has ever attended any events is a garbage statement. Just because someone has a completely contradictory dealing with him doesn't make their comments false, any less truthful or unfair. You say he's worked on many things that don't go public, he's also worked poorly on many things that are public -- the handling of coaches good and bad. There are many alums disappointed by his administration and coaches lack of response. Relations with local fans have needed rebuilding since before he arrived, but he and the staff have done very little in that respect. The solutions are not easy, but it's also foolhardy to continue giving STF a pass because of declining enrollment, decreasing attendance, or the state budget issues. I despise Illinois State, yet they've grown their enrollment, increased attendance and have more success across the entire athletic program and are dealing with the same state budget woes.
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(05-24-2018 06:23 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  If it were me, you'd better believe I'd be at every table pounding the flesh.

I need a shower, in acid, after that mental image...
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(05-25-2018 02:55 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  
(05-25-2018 12:41 AM)machoman83 Wrote:  Welcome back MD! We missed you

In my personal opinion, STF has been our best AD in my lifetime. Only Jim Phillips comes close. The lack of fan support, declining enrollment, and state financial crisis are all things above his pay grade, but he has still tried to come up with ideas to curtail those things. He hasn’t given up. And the few times I have encountered him he has been friendly and remembered who I was. That is much appreciated. And I am no big shot donor. The student athletes cumulative gpa and the big improvements in some of the lady sports are nice program builders he can take credit for

Everyone is entitled to their opinion machoman83. Clearly your lifetime proves you're very young as does the statement "big improvements in some of the lady sports."
There was a time during affiliations with Mid-Continent and Midwestern Collegiate Conferences when our women's programs were the dominant power from sport to sport (volleyball to soccer to basketball to softball to tennis to golf). The strength of our women's programs were a plus in NIU's efforts to e re-admitted to the MAC. Despite all the chest thumping about gpa (which should not be less than it is and is the same at virtually every major college), NIU seldom takes even the top MAC academic program award.
For every person who has had good dealings with STF there is one who has experienced the opposite. With all due respect to Dtownboys, MD's observations are not totally false just as your's aren't either. I've personally witnessed -- and experienced -- two totally different STFs. For you to question whether MD has ever attended any events is a garbage statement. Just because someone has a completely contradictory dealing with him doesn't make their comments false, any less truthful or unfair. You say he's worked on many things that don't go public, he's also worked poorly on many things that are public -- the handling of coaches good and bad. There are many alums disappointed by his administration and coaches lack of response. Relations with local fans have needed rebuilding since before he arrived, but he and the staff have done very little in that respect. The solutions are not easy, but it's also foolhardy to continue giving STF a pass because of declining enrollment, decreasing attendance, or the state budget issues. I despise Illinois State, yet they've grown their enrollment, increased attendance and have more success across the entire athletic program and are dealing with the same state budget woes.

Do not even begin to compare ISU's success with NIU in athletics despite the budget cuts. ISU runs an FCS football program and NIU FBS. There is a huge difference in funding those two. ISU has way more to send towards their other sports than do the Huskies right now.
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I would say "good luck" to him.

What would his answer be to a question of "what were your accomplishments while @ NIU?"

I think he's a good enough guy but, the answer to this question has me believing the interview will be short.
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You guys act like he crashed our Ferrari when we gave him a Yugo and no money for gas. NIU does not have a plethora of high donors. The donors we do have, have been great, but you can't keep going back to the same well. The State situation would have kill any AD. The fact that he's able to maintain a D1 status given the support he has is accomplishment enough. When he leaves, the next AD will bring you all back to reality.
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(05-25-2018 04:02 PM)shack66 Wrote:  You guys act like he crashed our Ferrari when we gave him a Yugo and no money for gas. NIU does not have a plethora of high donors. The donors we do have, have been great, but you can't keep going back to the same well. The State situation would have kill any AD. The fact that he's able to maintain a D1 status given the support he has is accomplishment enough. When he leaves, the next AD will bring you all back to reality.

Thank you for posting something so true. If he leaves I hope we find another great fit but I really don’t think our fans would appreciate anyone. Cary Groth was great but I recall the majority of fans wanting Novak fired toward the end. He retired at the end because he’s a class act but things weren’t pretty at the end. Kill rebuilt the program but he was labeled a traitor. The guy still comes back and donates. Doeren was blasted for getting hired away and look at the contract he just got. I doubt anyone here would have done differently for their career and family. Many of our fans are not loyal and we don’t have many big time donors. He is doing good with a bad hand and has been handcuffed by the budget. He desperately wants to improve basketball and I don’t think he’s afraid to make a coaching change. He just can’t. I hope things improve this basketball season so this isn’t an issue for a while.
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Sean Frazier might be the best scheduler NIU has had. It would be interesting how many P5/BCS opponents each AD swayed to DeKalb.
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Maybe the problem right now is not STF, I just get this sense of a general lack of accountability right now. STF has no one seriously evaluating his performance, and it is now 100 percent clear coaching moves will not be made under STF's watch so even down to the coaching level the accountability is gone. I guess that's why you go for it on 4th and 18 at your 10 yard line in the 1st quarter of a bowl game when there is no threat of losing your job haha. STF does not have to treat fans with any decency because no one is evaluating him either. Right now NIU is just this beat down floor mat ADs are trampling on to get their next job. Look at the Toledo situation, they are maintaining a higher standard with both sports now, and they have an AD who has created a sense of stability there and connected with the community. OBrien is invested Toledo as much as he is himself.

If I could point to a moment in time where I think a switch turned off with STF, Id point to 2016 after the US Cellular Field game. To his defense NIU did a TREMENDOUS job in the actual execution of the event and it was not supported. I think maybe after that experience he just said screw it all.
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(05-25-2018 05:07 PM)Dtownboys Wrote:  
(05-25-2018 04:02 PM)shack66 Wrote:  You guys act like he crashed our Ferrari when we gave him a Yugo and no money for gas. NIU does not have a plethora of high donors. The donors we do have, have been great, but you can't keep going back to the same well. The State situation would have kill any AD. The fact that he's able to maintain a D1 status given the support he has is accomplishment enough. When he leaves, the next AD will bring you all back to reality.
Thank you for posting something so true. If he leaves I hope we find another great fit but I really don’t think our fans would appreciate anyone. Cary Groth was great but I recall the majority of fans wanting Novak fired toward the end. He retired at the end because he’s a class act but things weren’t pretty at the end. Kill rebuilt the program but he was labeled a traitor. The guy still comes back and donates. Doeren was blasted for getting hired away and look at the contract he just got. I doubt anyone here would have done differently for their career and family. Many of our fans are not loyal and we don’t have many big time donors. He is doing good with a bad hand and has been handcuffed by the budget. He desperately wants to improve basketball and I don’t think he’s afraid to make a coaching change. He just can’t. I hope things improve this basketball season so this isn’t an issue for a while.

He wasn't handed a Yugo nor did he crash a Ferrari. The fact that you can't keep going back to the same well means you've got to find other sources -- where are his other sources? The sorry situation in this state is a continual excuse -- rise above it! In this day and age, "maintaining" is not going forward. It's great to know you've already decided when and if there's a new AD that person can't succeed.
The "majority" of fans did not want Novak fired and that's a misrepresentation. Injuries made Novak's last year look worse than it was and Jim Phillips with Novak's personal help recruited Jerry Kill, who continued using Novak's talent. He never "rebuilt" the program. As understandable as it is for people to do what's best for their family, "some" folks were disappointed not with Doreen's departure, but simply that he didn't stay a little longer. We've had many loyal fans lose interest and believe NIU athletics turned its back on them: ticket increases, parking fee increases, donation history not appreciated, etc. If STF desperately wanted to improve basketball he should never extended Monty's contract not once, but twice. How much below .500 MAC basketball finishes does it take to get you to understand his extensions became the handcuff more so than the budget. It's been an issue for years now, but keep hoping things will improve / they certainly can't get worse, can they?
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(05-25-2018 03:50 PM)DeKalb57 Wrote:  I would say "good luck" to him.

What would his answer be to a question of "what were your accomplishments while @ NIU?"

I think he's a good enough guy but, the answer to this question has me believing the interview will be short.

Agreed, when you think about it what has he really done to advance our athletic department? NIU student-athletes already had a previous track record of being successful in the classroom and having high APR scores. But we've done very little facility upgrades in his time, haven't heard of him reeling in any big donors, no naming rights sponsorship, we've lost having games on CSN Chicago, we lost our radio rights on the largest Chicago land sports radio network, we have less and less football home games, and we have two stagnant head coaches in football and men's basketball ...
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