(05-22-2018 10:25 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  This is great series for USF with the buyout pretty much cementing the deal, but lets not think that the stadium and attendance had nothing to do with it. UCF, having an OCS with a 45,000 capacity would not allow the kind of fan participation for UF than a non OCS with a pro team stadium for USF.

Nah...trust the message board talk. Schools are just scared to play UCF.

(05-22-2018 10:37 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Tulane USED to do more of these high-end series when they played in the Superdome. Nowadays we play a lot of Army, Wake Forest, and Duke types. It's probably better since we don't get violated by those teams.

I expect OU to buy out the back two legs of the series with Tulane. They won't come to Yulman.

Tulane should have took advantage of the advantage they had while they could instead of buying out of home and home series like they had with Clemson to host Southern and get the cheap sellout.

(05-22-2018 04:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  USF and Florida agreed to a three game football series, 2022 at UF, 2023 in Tampa, and 2025 at UF.

Buyout for each game is $2.25m.

Super-sweet deal for the Bulls, kudos to our AD.

No grounds for whining about it being 2 for 1, this 'road trip' is a two hour bus ride up I75, and if the Gators cancel a game, we pocket a whopping sum.

Good deal for USF. Three home games for Florida. Two games in their stadium and Florida holding true to not leaving the state for OOC games. God news is USF gets Florida in the Buccaneers Stadium (the Bulls home stadium) where more than 50% of the spectators will be wearing Gator orange and blue. Still a good get for USF - 3 games against a top SEC - P5 team.

(05-22-2018 10:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 10:25 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  This is great series for USF with the buyout pretty much cementing the deal, but lets not think that the stadium and attendance had nothing to do with it. UCF, having an OCS with a 45,000 capacity would not allow the kind of fan participation for UF than a non OCS with a pro team stadium for USF.

Nah...trust the message board talk. Schools are just scared to play UCF.

Texas vs UCF 2007

USCE vs UCF 2013
I even remember reading that a fan or two of USCE did not want them playing that game.

Thanks for helping me make my point.

(05-22-2018 04:15 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Still a 2 for 1 no matter how you look at it.

You say that like there's something inherently wrong with a 2 for 1. Mind explaining?

I'll take 2 for 1s with elite P5s all day long, all night too. Tremendous exposure and great pay days.

(05-22-2018 04:56 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  but they didn't want "The Champs." Interesting.

I'd bet it's exposure. While Florida has huge gobs of fans everywhere, Tampa is much more contested terrain, with lots of FSU fans too. UF already owns Orlando to a much greater extent, so waving the flag in Tampa means a bit more to them.

Plus, while UCF are the AAC champs, we've actually been the best AAC program over the past two seasons.

(05-22-2018 10:25 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  This is great series for USF with the buyout pretty much cementing the deal, but lets not think that the stadium and attendance had nothing to do with it. UCF, having an OCS with a 45,000 capacity would not allow the kind of fan participation for UF than a non OCS with a pro team stadium for USF.

Agreed. This was a rare instance where our NFL stadium rental payed off. It's harder for UCF to land the P5 Florida schools that want to be able to bring lots of fans. Even assuming our maximum fan population of about 45,000 shows up, that still leaves a good 20,000+ for Florida fans, and truth is, they will likely fill the seats with considerably more than that.

(05-22-2018 11:51 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 10:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 10:25 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  This is great series for USF with the buyout pretty much cementing the deal, but lets not think that the stadium and attendance had nothing to do with it. UCF, having an OCS with a 45,000 capacity would not allow the kind of fan participation for UF than a non OCS with a pro team stadium for USF.

Nah...trust the message board talk. Schools are just scared to play UCF.

Texas vs UCF 2007

USCE vs UCF 2013
I even remember reading that a fan or two of USCE did not want them playing that game.

Thanks for helping me make my point.

LOL

You obviously haven't been reading the posts on here by your fellow UCF fans.

(05-22-2018 11:29 PM)panite Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 04:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  USF and Florida agreed to a three game football series, 2022 at UF, 2023 in Tampa, and 2025 at UF.

Buyout for each game is $2.25m.

Super-sweet deal for the Bulls, kudos to our AD.

No grounds for whining about it being 2 for 1, this 'road trip' is a two hour bus ride up I75, and if the Gators cancel a game, we pocket a whopping sum.

Good deal for USF. Three home games for Florida. Two games in their stadium and Florida holding true to not leaving the state for OOC games. God news is USF gets Florida in the Buccaneers Stadium (the Bulls home stadium) where more than 50% of the spectators will be wearing Gator orange and blue. Still a good get for USF - 3 games against a top SEC - P5 team.

You take a lot of jabs at us here, but I can't argue them, you are correct, RJ will likely have as many if not more Gator fans in it than our fans. Sad, but likely true.

Still, there's just no denying the awesomeness of locking down 3 games with one of the elite blue-blood P5s. This is big for us.

(05-22-2018 04:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 04:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  USF and Florida agreed to a three game football series, 2022 at UF, 2023 in Tampa, and 2025 at UF.

Buyout for each game is $2.25m.

Super-sweet deal for the Bulls, kudos to our AD.

No grounds for whining about it being 2 for 1, this 'road trip' is a two hour bus ride up I75, and if the Gators cancel a game, we pocket a whopping sum.

They wouldn't have scheduled it if they didn't want to play it. You should consider it a potential audition. Eventually the SEC is going to want a more South Florida presence and USF has the best research and is opposite coast from Gainesville.

Gainesville is not on the east coast. And USF is not in South Florida.

(05-23-2018 12:53 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 11:29 PM)panite Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 04:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  USF and Florida agreed to a three game football series, 2022 at UF, 2023 in Tampa, and 2025 at UF.

Buyout for each game is $2.25m.

Super-sweet deal for the Bulls, kudos to our AD.

No grounds for whining about it being 2 for 1, this 'road trip' is a two hour bus ride up I75, and if the Gators cancel a game, we pocket a whopping sum.

Good deal for USF. Three home games for Florida. Two games in their stadium and Florida holding true to not leaving the state for OOC games. God news is USF gets Florida in the Buccaneers Stadium (the Bulls home stadium) where more than 50% of the spectators will be wearing Gator orange and blue. Still a good get for USF - 3 games against a top SEC - P5 team.

You take a lot of jabs at us here, but I can't argue them, you are correct, RJ will likely have as many if not more Gator fans in it than our fans. Sad, but likely true.

Still, there's just no denying the awesomeness of locking down 3 games with one of the elite blue-blood P5s. This is big for us.

Not really - its great that USF gets 3 games with Florida even if it is a two for one.

If there is a jab its against Florida - they almost NEVER leave the state of Florida for OOC games especially since one of those games is play against FSU annually. Normally the rest of their games are money games against G5 teams at home to fill out the other 3 OOC games though they do mix in Miami once in a while.


In this case, instead of a one and done USF actually gets a game at home. My point on the attendance is that any fan who can't normally get a ticket at Florida's stadium will be chomping at the bit to see their team in Tampa. Up north Yankee fans drive to Baltimore to fill their stadium at away games, and ND and Penn State fans that can't get to South Bend or Penn State's campus will buy every ticket they can get at Giants Stadium, Yankee Stadium, and Rutgers Stadium when they roll into town. I just think the Florida fans will do the same in Tampa and overwhelm the USF ticket purchases there too with USF fans seeing more Florida colors in the stands than USF colors. Call it your version of the annual Jacksonville Cocktail Party for one game if you want where that stadium is jammed with a sea red, orange and blue on game day.

(05-23-2018 12:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 04:15 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Still a 2 for 1 no matter how you look at it.

You say that like there's something inherently wrong with a 2 for 1. Mind explaining?

I'll take 2 for 1s with elite P5s all day long, all night too. Tremendous exposure and great pay days.

It's a G5 thing to do when the AAC claims P6. Especially, for former Big East schools. It's not unique as signing a home and home.
However, I will say it is better than a 1 and done.

(05-23-2018 08:46 AM)panite Wrote:  Call it your version of the annual Jacksonville Cocktail Party for one game if you want where that stadium is jammed with a sea red, orange and blue on game day.

Jab taken again. Hey, we have experience with this - FSU and Miami have played at USF, and yes, gobs of their fans showed up and arguably filled more seats than we did. And Florida has a bigger fan base than both of them, so if you think you're splashing cold water on the face of naive Bulls fans, think again, our face is already plenty cold, we know the realities.

But no problem, we'll accept all that Gators ticket purchase money to the bank.

(05-23-2018 07:10 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 04:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 04:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  USF and Florida agreed to a three game football series, 2022 at UF, 2023 in Tampa, and 2025 at UF.

Buyout for each game is $2.25m.

Super-sweet deal for the Bulls, kudos to our AD.

No grounds for whining about it being 2 for 1, this 'road trip' is a two hour bus ride up I75, and if the Gators cancel a game, we pocket a whopping sum.

They wouldn't have scheduled it if they didn't want to play it. You should consider it a potential audition. Eventually the SEC is going to want a more South Florida presence and USF has the best research and is opposite coast from Gainesville.

Gainesville is not on the east coast. And USF is not in South Florida.

Gainesville is in the center of the throat of the upper peninsula about an hour and a half from Jacksonville. It essentially is more Eastern in orientation by far than is the Panhandle. I've been to Gainesville, Palatka, St. Augustine and Jacksonville oodles of times.

I essentially spoke of L.S.U. and A&M being near the Gulf while both are a little over an hour from it.

And while Central Florida and South Florida are both essentially in the central peninsula Tampa is farther South and both have a reach into the South for recruiting.
You have to go to the greater Miami area to be truly in South Florida when speaking of FBS football programs. Since I don't anticipate the SEC ability to take the 2nd best school for draw in the Sunshine State (F.S.U.) or the 3rd best which is actually in South Florida (Miami) then South Florida is the best school remaining to be added as a 2nd SEC school in Florida. They are on the Gulf Coast and are as far South as the SEC is every likely to go. From Jacksonville south to Orlando is far more UF leaning than it is F.S.U. leaning. Florida State on the other hand, due to I10, has a reach over to Mobile and into the Southern most portions of Georgia. They are also strong throughout the Panhandle and along the Gulf down through Port St. Joe.

So I wasn't trying to be literal but more general to their particular strongholds of support which in itself is non specific and simply an orientation.

(05-23-2018 12:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Gainesville is in the center of the throat of the upper peninsula about an hour and a half from Jacksonville. It essentially is more Eastern in orientation by far than is the Panhandle. I've been to Gainesville, Palatka, St. Augustine and Jacksonville oodles of times.

I essentially spoke of L.S.U. and A&M being near the Gulf while both are a little over an hour from it.

And while Central Florida and South Florida are both essentially in the central peninsula Tampa is farther South and both have a reach into the South for recruiting.
You have to go to the greater Miami area to be truly in South Florida when speaking of FBS football programs. Since I don't anticipate the SEC ability to take the 2nd best school for draw in the Sunshine State (F.S.U.) or the 3rd best which is actually in South Florida (Miami) then South Florida is the best school remaining to be added as a 2nd SEC school in Florida. They are on the Gulf Coast and are as far South as the SEC is every likely to go. From Jacksonville south to Orlando is far more UF leaning than it is F.S.U. leaning. Florida State on the other hand, due to I10, has a reach over to Mobile and into the Southern most portions of Georgia. They are also strong throughout the Panhandle and along the Gulf down through Port St. Joe.

So I wasn't trying to be literal but more general to their particular strongholds of support which in itself is non specific and simply an orientation.

Big 12 has to take one of those schools first, I think.

(05-23-2018 01:33 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(05-23-2018 12:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Gainesville is in the center of the throat of the upper peninsula about an hour and a half from Jacksonville. It essentially is more Eastern in orientation by far than is the Panhandle. I've been to Gainesville, Palatka, St. Augustine and Jacksonville oodles of times.

I essentially spoke of L.S.U. and A&M being near the Gulf while both are a little over an hour from it.

And while Central Florida and South Florida are both essentially in the central peninsula Tampa is farther South and both have a reach into the South for recruiting.
You have to go to the greater Miami area to be truly in South Florida when speaking of FBS football programs. Since I don't anticipate the SEC ability to take the 2nd best school for draw in the Sunshine State (F.S.U.) or the 3rd best which is actually in South Florida (Miami) then South Florida is the best school remaining to be added as a 2nd SEC school in Florida. They are on the Gulf Coast and are as far South as the SEC is every likely to go. From Jacksonville south to Orlando is far more UF leaning than it is F.S.U. leaning. Florida State on the other hand, due to I10, has a reach over to Mobile and into the Southern most portions of Georgia. They are also strong throughout the Panhandle and along the Gulf down through Port St. Joe.

So I wasn't trying to be literal but more general to their particular strongholds of support which in itself is non specific and simply an orientation.

Big 12 has to take one of those schools first, I think.

It's off topic for this thread but we won't know about that until 2023.

(05-23-2018 10:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-23-2018 08:46 AM)panite Wrote:  Call it your version of the annual Jacksonville Cocktail Party for one game if you want where that stadium is jammed with a sea red, orange and blue on game day.

Jab taken again. Hey, we have experience with this - FSU and Miami have played at USF, and yes, gobs of their fans showed up and arguably filled more seats than we did. And Florida has a bigger fan base than both of them, so if you think you're splashing cold water on the face of naive Bulls fans, think again, our face is already plenty cold, we know the realities.

But no problem, we'll accept all that Gators ticket purchase money to the bank.

To the bank and into the Tampa Bay Buccaneers account sadly....

(05-22-2018 11:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 10:37 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Tulane USED to do more of these high-end series when they played in the Superdome. Nowadays we play a lot of Army, Wake Forest, and Duke types. It's probably better since we don't get violated by those teams.

I expect OU to buy out the back two legs of the series with Tulane. They won't come to Yulman.

Tulane should have took advantage of the advantage they had while they could instead of buying out of home and home series like they had with Clemson to host Southern and get the cheap sellout.

Clemson made out in the aftermath of that. You have no real reason to hold beef. Besides, the AD and President back then aren't here now.

(05-23-2018 12:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 10:25 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  This is great series for USF with the buyout pretty much cementing the deal, but lets not think that the stadium and attendance had nothing to do with it. UCF, having an OCS with a 45,000 capacity would not allow the kind of fan participation for UF than a non OCS with a pro team stadium for USF.

Agreed. This was a rare instance where our NFL stadium rental payed off. It's harder for UCF to land the P5 Florida schools that want to be able to bring lots of fans. Even assuming our maximum fan population of about 45,000 shows up, that still leaves a good 20,000+ for Florida fans, and truth is, they will likely fill the seats with considerably more than that.

USF also isn't incredibly far from Raymond James Stadium and resides in a warm climate, that never hurts. If Tampa never got above 50 degrees in November or the stadium were in St. Pete it wouldn't be such a good fit, but neither of those are the case so USF is benefiting tremendously. Having areas like SoHo not being a large distance away a little helps too, versus being far away from nightlife like Temple in Philly if I'm not mistaken.

My one concern is what happens if they play the first game and then Florida cancels the game in Tampa?

That a pretty big buyout but it still equates to either Florida getting to games on the cheap or if USF balks at going back to Gainesville for game 3 after being burned then the Gators end up getting the first game totally free and the Bulls lose out on a lot of revenue.