Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Big Ten chickening out of 9th conference game?
Author Message
AllTideUp Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,154
Joined: Jul 2015
Reputation: 559
I Root For: Alabama
Location:
Post: #41
RE: Big Ten chickening out of 9th conference game?
(05-26-2018 10:05 AM)goofus Wrote:  I have a hard time understanding why any fan would want to run away from competition. If the ultimate goal is to win the conference or the national championship, don't you want to prove that you really deserved it by beating the best teams?

Well, fans don't actually have to play the games and we never prove anything to anyone with regard to our ability to beat the best.

Fans want better games, sure, because that's more entertainment. The people that make the decisions, however, have to balance a number of economic concerns and that process accounts for the vast majority of decisions that any school or conference makes with regard to scheduling.

Fans don't like to believe that though because we're interested in competition and there's no "good guys" to root for or "bad guys" to root against when you boil everything down to accountants running numbers. So we prefer to believe that the whole process is much simpler than it really is.
05-26-2018 10:19 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
The Cutter of Bish Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,281
Joined: Mar 2013
Reputation: 217
I Root For: the little guy
Location:
Post: #42
RE: Big Ten chickening out of 9th conference game?
(05-22-2018 11:51 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  what about new rivaliers
Mich St - Rutgers doesn't scream Thanksgiving wkend

Well, the Big Ten should have made it a point for its four acquisitions to keep its best non-conference opponent and to protect it on the schedule instead of thumping its conference schedule dominion over everyone.

All lost money when rivalries like PSU-Pitt, UNL-OU (or even UNL-Colorado), and even Rutgers-Navy or Cuse came off the books.

This was always about protecting "the game" and the conference-first thing. I mourned the loss of all these great rivalries...it's on those like Penn State, Maryland, and the Big Ten as a whole for my loss of interest...what they think works doesn't keep me interested, but, heck, when you steal my money forcing me to keep your stupid network on my cable package and call it a win, this is the sort of stuff you deal with when working with these institutions.
05-26-2018 10:53 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
arkstfan Away
Sorry folks
*

Posts: 25,818
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 967
I Root For: Fresh Starts
Location:
Post: #43
RE: Big Ten chickening out of 9th conference game?
(05-26-2018 10:05 AM)goofus Wrote:  I have a hard time understanding why any fan would want to run away from competition. If the ultimate goal is to win the conference or the national championship, don't you want to prove that you really deserved it by beating the best teams?

Because fans have learned over and over that a "quality" loss generally hurts ranking more than winning a game you should have had a 99% chance of winning.
05-26-2018 12:44 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
JRsec Offline
Super Moderator
*

Posts: 37,900
Joined: Mar 2012
Reputation: 7737
I Root For: SEC
Location:
Post: #44
RE: Big Ten chickening out of 9th conference game?
(05-26-2018 12:44 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-26-2018 10:05 AM)goofus Wrote:  I have a hard time understanding why any fan would want to run away from competition. If the ultimate goal is to win the conference or the national championship, don't you want to prove that you really deserved it by beating the best teams?

Because fans have learned over and over that a "quality" loss generally hurts ranking more than winning a game you should have had a 99% chance of winning.

This and because every A.D. knows there are at least half a dozen competitors out there that will take the path of least resistance. You would rather play the game than be an idealist whose team is left out.
05-26-2018 01:13 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
SMUmustangs Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,186
Joined: Jul 2004
Reputation: 71
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #45
RE: Big Ten chickening out of 9th conference game?
(05-26-2018 01:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-26-2018 12:44 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-26-2018 10:05 AM)goofus Wrote:  I have a hard time understanding why any fan would want to run away from competition. If the ultimate goal is to win the conference or the national championship, don't you want to prove that you really deserved it by beating the best teams?

Because fans have learned over and over that a "quality" loss generally hurts ranking more than winning a game you should have had a 99% chance of winning.

This and because every A.D. knows there are at least half a dozen competitors out there that will take the path of least resistance. You would rather play the game than be an idealist whose team is left out.


JRsec and ArkState fan, I think you are wasting your time to use reason and logic to make your point, when some posters just do not seem to understand.
05-26-2018 02:48 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Kaplony Offline
Palmetto State Deplorable

Posts: 25,393
Joined: Apr 2013
I Root For: Newberry
Location: SC
Post: #46
RE: Big Ten chickening out of 9th conference game?
(05-26-2018 10:07 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(05-26-2018 01:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-26-2018 01:01 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-25-2018 07:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-25-2018 01:36 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Every professional league is able to contend with the fact that every win by a partner in the enterprise produces a loss by a partner in the enterprise.

College athletics are different since the competitors control part of their schedule. Jerry Jones doesn't get to pick his out-of-division opponents and doesn't get to offer cash incentives or television access incentives to convince the Chargers and Jaguars to come play without a return game or negotiate to get the Jets to play home-and-home.

A school like Clemson is going to be opposed to playing all ACC games because they can write a check to Georgia Southern and a smaller check to Furman to get a very profitable game at home. Clemson wants to compete against ACC schools but also wants the competitive advantage produced by playing profitable non-conference games sharing only the TV value with the the conference partners.

Also unlike the NFL, there is no set of games played that don't count to work out the kinks.

Wrong. We were going to do that with 9 conference games. The only G5 or lower game we cancelled when the ACC tried to go to 9 conference games was one to keep the Georgia series. We cancelled series with Ole Miss and Oklahoma State. We would have still played the Ga Southerns and Furmans, it would have been the second P5 OOC game we cancelled.

Wrong? How the HELL is what I said wrong?

You just made my point. Clemson wanted to retain high profit games they didn't have to split money on.

No, we wanted to keep a 7 game home schedule.

The only series we were prepared to give up a 7 game home schedule for is UGA. We were prepared to play eight conference games and two P5 OOC games (home and away) before the ACC tried the 9 game conference slate. When they changed the conference slate to add another P% game we dropped the P5 OOC, not the G5, except for Georgia. When the ACC wisely decided to revert back to 8 conference games we secured an additional P5 OOC, except for the 2021 season because the ACC screwed us over by scheduling us three games in four years with the parasites (2020-2023) and we are having trouble finding a second P5 willing to come to Clemson in 2021 with a return game in 2024.

Who are the "parasites" in this scenario?

Notre Dame.

par·a·site
ˈperəˌsīt/
noun
noun: parasite; plural noun: parasites

an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense.

Describes Notre Dame's association with the ACC to a T.
05-26-2018 08:44 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
TerryD Online
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 14,881
Joined: Feb 2006
Reputation: 895
I Root For: Notre Dame
Location: Grayson Highlands
Post: #47
RE: Big Ten chickening out of 9th conference game?
(05-26-2018 08:44 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-26-2018 10:07 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(05-26-2018 01:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-26-2018 01:01 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-25-2018 07:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Wrong. We were going to do that with 9 conference games. The only G5 or lower game we cancelled when the ACC tried to go to 9 conference games was one to keep the Georgia series. We cancelled series with Ole Miss and Oklahoma State. We would have still played the Ga Southerns and Furmans, it would have been the second P5 OOC game we cancelled.

Wrong? How the HELL is what I said wrong?

You just made my point. Clemson wanted to retain high profit games they didn't have to split money on.

No, we wanted to keep a 7 game home schedule.

The only series we were prepared to give up a 7 game home schedule for is UGA. We were prepared to play eight conference games and two P5 OOC games (home and away) before the ACC tried the 9 game conference slate. When they changed the conference slate to add another P% game we dropped the P5 OOC, not the G5, except for Georgia. When the ACC wisely decided to revert back to 8 conference games we secured an additional P5 OOC, except for the 2021 season because the ACC screwed us over by scheduling us three games in four years with the parasites (2020-2023) and we are having trouble finding a second P5 willing to come to Clemson in 2021 with a return game in 2024.

Who are the "parasites" in this scenario?

Notre Dame.

par·a·site
ˈperəˌsīt/
noun
noun: parasite; plural noun: parasites

an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense.

Describes Notre Dame's association with the ACC to a T.


You are pretty funny. Both sides benefit from the ACC/ND arrangement.

The relationship is not going to change in the foreseeable future, so your teeth will be ground down from gnashing them over this arrangement.

Check out how much Va. Tech is charging for the ND game as opposed to others.

Check out the filled stadiums when ND football comes to ACC venues, the credits for two Elite 8 finishes, etc....

Anyway, enjoy your day.
(This post was last modified: 05-27-2018 09:04 AM by TerryD.)
05-27-2018 09:03 AM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Kaplony Offline
Palmetto State Deplorable

Posts: 25,393
Joined: Apr 2013
I Root For: Newberry
Location: SC
Post: #48
RE: Big Ten chickening out of 9th conference game?
(05-27-2018 09:03 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-26-2018 08:44 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-26-2018 10:07 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(05-26-2018 01:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-26-2018 01:01 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Wrong? How the HELL is what I said wrong?

You just made my point. Clemson wanted to retain high profit games they didn't have to split money on.

No, we wanted to keep a 7 game home schedule.

The only series we were prepared to give up a 7 game home schedule for is UGA. We were prepared to play eight conference games and two P5 OOC games (home and away) before the ACC tried the 9 game conference slate. When they changed the conference slate to add another P% game we dropped the P5 OOC, not the G5, except for Georgia. When the ACC wisely decided to revert back to 8 conference games we secured an additional P5 OOC, except for the 2021 season because the ACC screwed us over by scheduling us three games in four years with the parasites (2020-2023) and we are having trouble finding a second P5 willing to come to Clemson in 2021 with a return game in 2024.

Who are the "parasites" in this scenario?

Notre Dame.

par·a·site
ˈperəˌsīt/
noun
noun: parasite; plural noun: parasites

an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense.

Describes Notre Dame's association with the ACC to a T.


You are pretty funny. Both sides benefit from the ACC/ND arrangement.

The relationship is not going to change in the foreseeable future, so your teeth will be ground down from gnashing them over this arrangement.

Check out how much Va. Tech is charging for the ND game as opposed to others.

Check out the filled stadiums when ND football comes to ACC venues, the credits for two Elite 8 finishes, etc....

Anyway, enjoy your day.

"WE DON'T NEED A CONFERENCE FOR FOOTBALL!! except can we please get in on your bowl agreements and payouts?"
05-27-2018 02:00 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
goofus Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,285
Joined: May 2013
Reputation: 148
I Root For: Iowa
Location: chicago suburbs
Post: #49
RE: Big Ten chickening out of 9th conference game?
https://www.landof10.com/iowa/iowa-ad-ga...ball-games

We got some clarification on this question about the Big Ten potentionally reducing the conference games from 9 to 8.

Iowa AD Gary Barta says this has not been discussed. The Big Ten has no plans to go back to 8 conference games.

What has been discussed is getting rid of "parity scheduling" or the protected cross-over so that Nebraska does not have to play OSU every season. Instead they are talking about just doing a regular cross-over rotation. This would make it less likely that Nebraska ends up playing 3 of the big 4 from the east in 1 year.
06-05-2018 12:21 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.