(05-22-2018 10:21 AM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 10:16 AM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 07:58 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  i'd bet he won't be 100% next year, and everyone knows it, he won't see much of the field if at all, and then will be raring to go in 2019 with JMU petitioning for a 6th year of eligibility so we still get him for 3 years.

i could be wrong, but i don't believe he needs a medical redshirt. he played as a true freshman, then was hurt very early in the season as a true sophomore, but was still able to redshirt last season. you get 5 years to play 4 seasons, so barring another injury, we get him 3 more seasons regardless. i could be wrong, or i could just not be understanding your comment.

I think the other poster is projecting Jawon not playing this year, at which point he'd need a medical redshirt and a "regular" redshirt for 3 seasons of eligibility.

I would expect him to play this year.

oh ok, i understand now. and i agree with you that i expect him to play this year. from looking at his highlight tapes, he looks like he's built to play slot WR. wouldn't shock me if he lined up there... a lot. you find a way to get your best players on the field, however that may be. looks like he has soft hands.

(05-22-2018 10:21 AM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 10:16 AM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 07:58 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  i'd bet he won't be 100% next year, and everyone knows it, he won't see much of the field if at all, and then will be raring to go in 2019 with JMU petitioning for a 6th year of eligibility so we still get him for 3 years.

i could be wrong, but i don't believe he needs a medical redshirt. he played as a true freshman, then was hurt very early in the season as a true sophomore, but was still able to redshirt last season. you get 5 years to play 4 seasons, so barring another injury, we get him 3 more seasons regardless. i could be wrong, or i could just not be understanding your comment.

I think the other poster is projecting Jawon not playing this year, at which point he'd need a medical redshirt and a "regular" redshirt for 3 seasons of eligibility.

I would expect him to play this year.

I think if I read correctly he got a medical redshirt for last year. So he still has the 'normal' redshirt to use if warranted. I doubt he redshirts this upcoming season. I mean that is not a great selling point if xferring fro FBS to FCS to still use a redshirt.....they will want to play right away otherwise xfer to another FBS school.

I see this as a great move thinking ahead to balance the senior heavy RB class AND as an insurance policy with Cardon. At best Cardon will probably be a 5-10 touch a game guy now and I tend to think it is doubtful he makes it thru the season injury free.....not much tread left on those tires at this point given his history. I hope I am wrong and Cardon rolls thru the season b/c there is not a nicer more hard-working young man on this team.

(05-22-2018 10:39 AM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 10:21 AM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 10:16 AM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 07:58 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  i'd bet he won't be 100% next year, and everyone knows it, he won't see much of the field if at all, and then will be raring to go in 2019 with JMU petitioning for a 6th year of eligibility so we still get him for 3 years.

i could be wrong, but i don't believe he needs a medical redshirt. he played as a true freshman, then was hurt very early in the season as a true sophomore, but was still able to redshirt last season. you get 5 years to play 4 seasons, so barring another injury, we get him 3 more seasons regardless. i could be wrong, or i could just not be understanding your comment.

I think the other poster is projecting Jawon not playing this year, at which point he'd need a medical redshirt and a "regular" redshirt for 3 seasons of eligibility.

I would expect him to play this year.

oh ok, i understand now. and i agree with you that i expect him to play this year. from looking at his highlight tapes, he looks like he's built to play slot WR. wouldn't shock me if he lined up there... a lot. you find a way to get your best players on the field, however that may be. looks like he has soft hands.

right, exactly.

I'm thinking he will use this year to get acclimated to the program and further recover from his injury and we won't play him (we are already loaded at RB with experience. doesn't make much sense to bring another guy in for 2018). The only way he plays is due to major injuries at the position. I think he stays 5th on the depth chart and continues his rehab as he learns the playbook, the program, etc, so he can hit the ground running with Percy in 2019.

Lots of times the NCAA will allow a 6th year if you redshirt two years because of injuries. So I would think we'd have a good shot to get the 3rd year back (in 2021)

2016 - plays, year 1
2017 - redshirted at UCF
2018 - redshirt at JMU
2019 - plays, year 2
2020 - plays, year 3
2021 - JMU petitions. hopefully accepted. plays, year 4

(05-22-2018 10:41 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 10:21 AM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 10:16 AM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 07:58 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  i'd bet he won't be 100% next year, and everyone knows it, he won't see much of the field if at all, and then will be raring to go in 2019 with JMU petitioning for a 6th year of eligibility so we still get him for 3 years.

i could be wrong, but i don't believe he needs a medical redshirt. he played as a true freshman, then was hurt very early in the season as a true sophomore, but was still able to redshirt last season. you get 5 years to play 4 seasons, so barring another injury, we get him 3 more seasons regardless. i could be wrong, or i could just not be understanding your comment.

I think the other poster is projecting Jawon not playing this year, at which point he'd need a medical redshirt and a "regular" redshirt for 3 seasons of eligibility.

I would expect him to play this year.

I think if I read correctly he got a medical redshirt for last year. So he still has the 'normal' redshirt to use if warranted. I doubt he redshirts this upcoming season. I mean that is not a great selling point if xferring fro FBS to FCS to still use a redshirt.....they will want to play right away otherwise xfer to another FBS school.

I see this as a great move thinking ahead to balance the senior heavy RB class AND as an insurance policy with Cardon. At best Cardon will probably be a 5-10 touch a game guy now and I tend to think it is doubtful he makes it thru the season injury free.....not much tread left on those tires at this point given his history. I hope I am wrong and Cardon rolls thru the season b/c there is not a nicer more hard-working young man on this team.

i don't think there is such a thing as a normal vs medical redshirt. a redshirt is a redshirt.

the 6th years are usually only granted when two (or more) are missed due to injuries

The correct terminology for a sixth year of eligibility is a "medical hardship waiver" which can be granted by the NCAA if requested by the school. This is what Cardon Johnson was granted ... "a sixth year of eligibility due to a medical hardship waiver."

Since he owns Florida, and is the recruiting coordinator, I imagine Mines had a lot to do with this.

I believe the order in which you sit out a season makes a difference in these medical hardship waiver requests, which can only be processed at the conclusion of their fifth season. I do not think he sits out a season with fingers crossed for the future. I think he just contributes where possible this season & enjoys two solid years with Percy.

(05-22-2018 12:08 PM)Oldduke Wrote:  The correct terminology for a sixth year of eligibility is a "medical hardship waiver" which can be granted by the NCAA if requested by the school. This is what Cardon Johnson was granted ... "a sixth year of eligibility due to a medical hardship waiver."

Absolutely this is the correct terminology and you cannot apply for medical hardship/redshirt until after 5 years are up. Given he was hurt very early in the season very likely it would be granted.

Be that as it may, I don't see red-shirting him this season. Kids transfer from FBS to FCS to avoid the sit-out a year rule (barring being a graduate transfer)........I don't see no way JMU convinced a kid to come to JMU and sit-out another year......basically 2 years in a row now.

Per Madia's Twitter ...

Spoke with UCF transfer RB Jawon Hamilton, who says he'll arrive at JMU next week and is eager to get on the field: "I have real good vision and if I see it, I'm going to hit it. I can catch the ball and I'm going to bring it all to the table."

(05-22-2018 12:47 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(05-22-2018 12:08 PM)Oldduke Wrote:  The correct terminology for a sixth year of eligibility is a "medical hardship waiver" which can be granted by the NCAA if requested by the school. This is what Cardon Johnson was granted ... "a sixth year of eligibility due to a medical hardship waiver."

Absolutely this is the correct terminology and you cannot apply for medical hardship/redshirt until after 5 years are up. Given he was hurt very early in the season very likely it would be granted.

Be that as it may, I don't see red-shirting him this season. Kids transfer from FBS to FCS to avoid the sit-out a year rule (barring being a graduate transfer)........I don't see no way JMU convinced a kid to come to JMU and sit-out another year......basically 2 years in a row now.

Yes, the two of you are spot on. The writer of his bio sort of embellished just a tad, I guess it really doesn't matter, because I'm confident the NCAA will give him three more seasons to see the field and not count last year as one of his four.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2...-interests

I didn't realize had signed zero RB's with the 2018 signing class. I believe in the past there has always been at least 4 scholly RBs on the roster, usually 5 (like last year). Without Hamilton's transfer would have been only 4, 3 of them seniors. That meant MH was going to have to bring in 3-4 in 2019, which would have likely meant a transfer (I couldnt see signing 4 HS RBs) and 2-3 HS signees. Still going to need to sign 2-3 HS signees for 2019..

If Hamilton turns out to be really good and healthy early, it would be nice if Obese could redshirt, but I know that is unlikely to happen.

I seriously doubt Hamilton came to JMU to redshirt. Read his interview and tell me he's a guy that wants to sit out for another year. He's hungry, wants to play and Houston picked him up because he can play and play for many years for us.
Houston doesn't seem like a guy to use redshirts unless it's necessary. It's not necessary to leave Hamilton off the field. The more RB's the better.

Looks like Hamilton was originally committed to FIU, then switched to Miami after they offered (I think 100% of us would do the same), and then switched to UCF as Scott Frost's #1 target. Looks like he preferred the Oregon style offense Frost ran to what Richt was planning to run at the U. If he is looking for a team that wants to win the ground game, he certainly came to the right place.

(05-23-2018 08:03 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Looks like Hamilton was originally committed to FIU, then switched to Miami after they offered (I think 100% of us would do the same), and then switched to UCF as Scott Frost's #1 target. Looks like he preferred the Oregon style offense Frost ran to what Richt was planning to run at the U. If he is looking for a team that wants to win the ground game, he certainly came to the right place.

Would love to see some 2-back sets, perhaps 3, with RB's flanked to each side of our QB and run some RPO using each RB. Seems like we have at least 3 RB's, maybe 4, who can take it to the house on any given play if they get a small crease. Maybe 5 if we count O'Kelly (who I think starts preseason drills at the top of the depth chart at RB).

*note, I really would like to see us deploy a lead blocking back and QB under center when we are in 3rd & 1 or 2nd/3rd & goal situations inside the 3 yard line...but, perhaps that's just me I admit...I'll talk to Coach Houston more about this when our daily calls heat back up in July as he picks my brain for advice

(05-23-2018 08:11 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(05-23-2018 08:03 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Looks like Hamilton was originally committed to FIU, then switched to Miami after they offered (I think 100% of us would do the same), and then switched to UCF as Scott Frost's #1 target. Looks like he preferred the Oregon style offense Frost ran to what Richt was planning to run at the U. If he is looking for a team that wants to win the ground game, he certainly came to the right place.

Would love to see some 2-back sets, perhaps 3, with RB's flanked to each side of our QB and run some RPO using each RB. Seems like we have at least 3 RB's, maybe 4, who can take it to the house on any given play if they get a small crease. Maybe 5 if we count O'Kelly (who I think starts preseason drills at the top of the depth chart at RB).

*note, I really would like to see us deploy a lead blocking back and QB under center when we are in 3rd & 1 or 2nd/3rd & goal situations inside the 3 yard line...but, perhaps that's just me I admit...I'll talk to Coach Houston more about this when our daily calls heat back up in July as he picks my brain for advice

Give me a Tight end blocking over a running back.

(05-23-2018 11:55 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(05-23-2018 08:11 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(05-23-2018 08:03 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Looks like Hamilton was originally committed to FIU, then switched to Miami after they offered (I think 100% of us would do the same), and then switched to UCF as Scott Frost's #1 target. Looks like he preferred the Oregon style offense Frost ran to what Richt was planning to run at the U. If he is looking for a team that wants to win the ground game, he certainly came to the right place.

Would love to see some 2-back sets, perhaps 3, with RB's flanked to each side of our QB and run some RPO using each RB. Seems like we have at least 3 RB's, maybe 4, who can take it to the house on any given play if they get a small crease. Maybe 5 if we count O'Kelly (who I think starts preseason drills at the top of the depth chart at RB).

*note, I really would like to see us deploy a lead blocking back and QB under center when we are in 3rd & 1 or 2nd/3rd & goal situations inside the 3 yard line...but, perhaps that's just me I admit...I'll talk to Coach Houston more about this when our daily calls heat back up in July as he picks my brain for advice

Give me a Tight end blocking over a running back.

I agree...a 240-250# TE as an "H" back...none of our current RBs weigh more than 205-210#.