There should never be a situation where an undefeated team should not make the ending tournament in college athletics. FBS has the only system where that can happen. It's the ONLY instance in the NCAA and probably one of the only in the WORLD where people in the same sub/division can just say "They're undefeated, we share a division, but they can't compete for the championship".

It's like if Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, and ManU decided that Man City or Leicester couldn't play for a championship because they aren't a traditional power.

(05-17-2018 06:10 AM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  Maybe I missed where someone else posted on this on ya'lls board, but Saban stole UCF's game against Texas too. FBSchedules says UT has cancelled the game with Central Florida and replaced it with Alabama.

But really, UCF should schedule harder.

(05-17-2018 03:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  There should never be a situation where an undefeated team should not make the ending tournament in college athletics. FBS has the only system where that can happen. It's the ONLY instance in the NCAA and probably one of the only in the WORLD where people in the same sub/division can just say "They're undefeated, we share a division, but they can't compete for the championship".

It's like if Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, and ManU decided that Man City or Leicester couldn't play for a championship because they aren't a traditional power.

LOL Chelsea a traditional power....

Nobody should EVER refer too or bring up soccer in a football conversation period!

(05-17-2018 03:21 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 08:27 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 08:20 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  As far as I am concerned UCF won the Football National Championship

Bottom line is they need to develop a playoff that gives an auto bid to every ranked Conference Champion. I think that is a fair and equitable Playoff. If a MAC, CUSA or Sunbelt team wins their conference and is ranked they should get an auto bid. I would hope that most years the AAC Conference Champ is ranked but if not then our auto bid should go to a higher ranked team that failed to win their Conference Championship.

Would UCF had won a playoff championship last year ? Not sure but I am damn sure they could have competed with any team that made the Final 4 playoffs including Alabama so I as a College Football Fan was cheated out of watching them compete for the National Championship due to a monopoly created by the Country Club elitist P5 crowd

I'm honestly not crazy about any automatic bids. Just use computer rankings and take the top 8. Most years only 1 non qualifying team is worthy and even some p5 teams don't deserve an automatic bid.

Every conference should have a path to the playoff. 9 or 10 auto bids to the champions of each D1 league plus 6 wildcards to the best teams who didn’t win their league.

That’s the only way to do it

There are many years that the Sunbelt, c-usa, mwc, etc might not even have a top 50 team. We just want fair access. Maybe get a point for conference championship, use computer polls, and maybe AP/coaches for last bit of grade.

Head Hog be a squealing...

(05-16-2018 01:34 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  oh Boo hoo....your an @$$hole Nick, always have been

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This sis the same guy when beaten by Auburn's and Texas A&M's "hurry up" offenses whined so much and lobbies so much about the "safety of his players" that he had the Rule changed to allow the D to substitute if the Offense did.

Mainly he figured out other knew a way to beat his big, strong, Bama teams and we can have none of that.

Nick Saban, great CFB coach...biggest CFP crybaby.

(05-18-2018 06:34 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 03:21 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 08:27 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 08:20 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  As far as I am concerned UCF won the Football National Championship

Bottom line is they need to develop a playoff that gives an auto bid to every ranked Conference Champion. I think that is a fair and equitable Playoff. If a MAC, CUSA or Sunbelt team wins their conference and is ranked they should get an auto bid. I would hope that most years the AAC Conference Champ is ranked but if not then our auto bid should go to a higher ranked team that failed to win their Conference Championship.

Would UCF had won a playoff championship last year ? Not sure but I am damn sure they could have competed with any team that made the Final 4 playoffs including Alabama so I as a College Football Fan was cheated out of watching them compete for the National Championship due to a monopoly created by the Country Club elitist P5 crowd

I'm honestly not crazy about any automatic bids. Just use computer rankings and take the top 8. Most years only 1 non qualifying team is worthy and even some p5 teams don't deserve an automatic bid.

Every conference should have a path to the playoff. 9 or 10 auto bids to the champions of each D1 league plus 6 wildcards to the best teams who didn’t win their league.

That’s the only way to do it

There are many years that the Sunbelt, c-usa, mwc, etc might not even have a top 50 team. We just want fair access. Maybe get a point for conference championship, use computer polls, and maybe AP/coaches for last bit of grade.

That is a patently false statement. The only Mid-Major Conference that consistently did NOT have a Top-50 team was the Sun Belt. Every other conference is actually quite strong at the top.
[SOURCE: MASSEY COMPOSITE BY YEAR]

(05-18-2018 09:30 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 06:34 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 03:21 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 08:27 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 08:20 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  As far as I am concerned UCF won the Football National Championship

Bottom line is they need to develop a playoff that gives an auto bid to every ranked Conference Champion. I think that is a fair and equitable Playoff. If a MAC, CUSA or Sunbelt team wins their conference and is ranked they should get an auto bid. I would hope that most years the AAC Conference Champ is ranked but if not then our auto bid should go to a higher ranked team that failed to win their Conference Championship.

Would UCF had won a playoff championship last year ? Not sure but I am damn sure they could have competed with any team that made the Final 4 playoffs including Alabama so I as a College Football Fan was cheated out of watching them compete for the National Championship due to a monopoly created by the Country Club elitist P5 crowd

I'm honestly not crazy about any automatic bids. Just use computer rankings and take the top 8. Most years only 1 non qualifying team is worthy and even some p5 teams don't deserve an automatic bid.

Every conference should have a path to the playoff. 9 or 10 auto bids to the champions of each D1 league plus 6 wildcards to the best teams who didn’t win their league.

That’s the only way to do it

There are many years that the Sunbelt, c-usa, mwc, etc might not even have a top 50 team. We just want fair access. Maybe get a point for conference championship, use computer polls, and maybe AP/coaches for last bit of grade.

That is a patently false statement. The only Mid-Major Conference that consistently did NOT have a Top-50 team was the Sun Belt. Every other conference is actually quite strong at the top.
[SOURCE: MASSEY COMPOSITE BY YEAR]

Those numbers suck... although not as bad as I thought. So you think teams should get an automatic bid that aren't even in the top 25 computer polls, AP polls, etc....that is what some are suggesting here. All I want is fair access. Maybe if top 15 and conference championship, you get an automatic bid to a 8 team playoff.

Outside of the AAC and maybe Boise, SUSDU, and just a few others, they usually suck. We can't even get quality teams in now, so little chance getting a 4 loss Sunbelt or c-usa team in.

(05-19-2018 06:26 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 09:30 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 06:34 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 03:21 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 08:27 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I'm honestly not crazy about any automatic bids. Just use computer rankings and take the top 8. Most years only 1 non qualifying team is worthy and even some p5 teams don't deserve an automatic bid.

Every conference should have a path to the playoff. 9 or 10 auto bids to the champions of each D1 league plus 6 wildcards to the best teams who didn’t win their league.
That’s the only way to do it

There are many years that the Sunbelt, c-usa, mwc, etc might not even have a top 50 team. We just want fair access. Maybe get a point for conference championship, use computer polls, and maybe AP/coaches for last bit of grade.

That is a patently false statement. The only Mid-Major Conference that consistently did NOT have a Top-50 team was the Sun Belt. Every other conference is actually quite strong at the top.
[SOURCE: MASSEY COMPOSITE BY YEAR]

Those numbers suck... although not as bad as I thought. So you think teams should get an automatic bid that aren't even in the top 25 computer polls, AP polls, etc....that is what some are suggesting here. All I want is fair access. Maybe if top 15 and conference championship, you get an automatic bid to a 8 team playoff.

Outside of the AAC and maybe Boise, SUSDU, and just a few others, they usually suck. We can't even get quality teams in now, so little chance getting a 4 loss Sunbelt or c-usa team in.

The problem with using rankings, instead of conference championships, is that the P5 conferences and the CFP would just collude to keep G5 programs out of that ranking that would be required to qualify for the CFP. Just as we saw last year with UCF, and the CFP's consistent low rankings, to prevent UCF from being in the CFP. The marker would just move to "the top 15" or the "top 25". We'd really just be moving the goal posts, so to speak. I'm not a fan of a 16-team playoff. Too many at-large teams. 12 teams would make it so the top 4 teams get a benefit of a bye week, and teams 5-12 would play each other to determine who plays the top 4, the following week. This would allow all 10 conference champs and 2 at-large programs would qualify for the CFP.

tldr version.....The P5 and the CFP would find a way to keep G5 programs out, if it's based on rankings, and not conference championships.

(05-19-2018 06:26 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 09:30 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 06:34 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 03:21 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 08:27 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I'm honestly not crazy about any automatic bids. Just use computer rankings and take the top 8. Most years only 1 non qualifying team is worthy and even some p5 teams don't deserve an automatic bid.

Every conference should have a path to the playoff. 9 or 10 auto bids to the champions of each D1 league plus 6 wildcards to the best teams who didn’t win their league.

That’s the only way to do it

There are many years that the Sunbelt, c-usa, mwc, etc might not even have a top 50 team. We just want fair access. Maybe get a point for conference championship, use computer polls, and maybe AP/coaches for last bit of grade.

That is a patently false statement. The only Mid-Major Conference that consistently did NOT have a Top-50 team was the Sun Belt. Every other conference is actually quite strong at the top.
[SOURCE: MASSEY COMPOSITE BY YEAR]

Those numbers suck... although not as bad as I thought. So you think teams should get an automatic bid that aren't even in the top 25 computer polls, AP polls, etc....that is what some are suggesting here. All I want is fair access. Maybe if top 15 and conference championship, you get an automatic bid to a 8 team playoff.

Outside of the AAC and maybe Boise, SUSDU, and just a few others, they usually suck. We can't even get quality teams in now, so little chance getting a 4 loss Sunbelt or c-usa team in.

My response was specifically towards your statement: "There are many years that the Sunbelt, c-usa, mwc, etc might not even have a top 50 team." Which is proven false by the data.

My issue with the CFP is that it's a cabal to intentionally keep half of FBS out of the conversation, and thus horde the wealth and prestige that comes along with it. I simply want a clearly defined path to the playoff. Not conditionals based on arbitrary computer ratings. The only thing rankings should be used for are for selecting at-large bids, and seeding..

Thus, I don't have a problem with conference champions getting an automatic bid to a play off in a 12-team system, with two at-large bids. That would all but guarantee that the Top 7 are in, and the argument about how good a team is, is settled on the field not on an excel spreadsheet.

The AAC is really the only conference outside the so called power leagues that really can make an argument. An automatic bid for the c-usa, Sunbelt, Mac, and mwc would be an absolute joke. I don't even think the AAC needs an automatic bid. Take the top 8 by computer rankings. Maybe you can weight more on conference championshis in the computer standings. Really what you want is realistic access and not a welfare program. Like was shown in that grid...I could see a lot of teams over 25th by the computers. They have no argument to be in the playoffs.

(05-19-2018 12:45 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  The AAC is really the only conference outside the so called power leagues that really can make an argument. An automatic bid for the c-usa, Sunbelt, Mac, and mwc would be an absolute joke. I don't even think the AAC needs an automatic bid. Take the top 8 by computer rankings. Maybe you can weight more on conference championshis in the computer standings. Really what you want is realistic access and not a welfare program. Like was shown in that grid...I could see a lot of teams over 25th by the computers. They have no argument to be in the playoffs.

So ultimately, what I take from you is that you're not bothered about the set up of the CFP per se, you're upset that the AAC is not part of the cabal.

(05-19-2018 01:13 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 12:45 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  The AAC is really the only conference outside the so called power leagues that really can make an argument. An automatic bid for the c-usa, Sunbelt, Mac, and mwc would be an absolute joke. I don't even think the AAC needs an automatic bid. Take the top 8 by computer rankings. Maybe you can weight more on conference championshis in the computer standings. Really what you want is realistic access and not a welfare program. Like was shown in that grid...I could see a lot of teams over 25th by the computers. They have no argument to be in the playoffs.

So ultimately, what I take from you is that you're not bothered about the set up of the CFP per se, you're upset that the AAC is not part of the cabal.

I want the playoffs to be at least 8 teams. Remove a "committee" and simply go by computer rankings to get into the playoff. I don't like the auto-bids for anyone. Probably the only realistic option that we could get support is getting an auto-bid for the 5. Giving one auto-bid for the "others" and 2 at large bids. I'd still rather just have the best 8 by computer rankings. If you don't win your conference, maybe the requirement would be your computer ranking needs to be in the top 4?

i thought it was pretty lame when ucf touted their national championship. was saban asked about this or did he bring it up?

(05-19-2018 02:33 PM)Lush Wrote:  i thought it was pretty lame when ucf touted their national championship. was saban asked about this or did he bring it up?

Also lame that a bcs Computer model had ucf at #1, multiple AP voters, newspapers, Bowden, Spurrier, etc.

I personally think it is lame to declare a national championship when you can't win their division of conference. Ucf beat the team that won that division. Lol

(05-19-2018 02:39 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 02:33 PM)Lush Wrote:  i thought it was pretty lame when ucf touted their national championship. was saban asked about this or did he bring it up?

Also lame that a bcs Computer model had ucf at #1, multiple AP voters, newspapers, Bowden, Spurrier, etc.

I personally think it is lame to declare a national championship when you can't win their division of conference. Ucf beat the team that won that division. Lol

I don't understand how a team can be the national champion if they didn't win their division or conference. You're supposed to be the best team in the nation but you're the 3rd best team in your Conference?

(05-19-2018 03:12 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 02:39 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 02:33 PM)Lush Wrote:  i thought it was pretty lame when ucf touted their national championship. was saban asked about this or did he bring it up?

Also lame that a bcs Computer model had ucf at #1, multiple AP voters, newspapers, Bowden, Spurrier, etc.

I personally think it is lame to declare a national championship when you can't win their division of conference. Ucf beat the team that won that division. Lol

I don't understand how a team can be the national champion if they didn't win their division or conference. You're supposed to be the best team in the nation but you're the 3rd best team in your Conference?

Alabama was NIT champs...not bad

(05-16-2018 12:49 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  "I guess anybody has the prerogative to claim anything. But self-proclaimed is not the same as actually earning it," Saban told USA Today in a story published Tuesday. "And there's probably a significant number of people who don't respect people who make self-proclaimed sort of accolades for themselves

True Story

(05-19-2018 05:39 PM)Dolt Jolt Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 12:49 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  "I guess anybody has the prerogative to claim anything. But self-proclaimed is not the same as actually earning it," Saban told USA Today in a story published Tuesday. "And there's probably a significant number of people who don't respect people who make self-proclaimed sort of accolades for themselves

True Story

I agree with Saban. They didn't earn it so I agree. They were SEC west runner ups. I also agree with Satan that he needs to take down at least 6 banners that claim a fake championship.