(07-07-2020 10:44 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 10:10 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 10:05 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Maybe we wouldn’t. Or maybe we would. We’ll never know.

really that is what you are going with. the number one driving force and funding for all campus development has been Charlie King, period.

you might not like the guy, but geez give him some credit.

To use your logic it did not matter who we hired to coach basketball for the last 25 years.....it may have made a difference, but then again maybe it would not have made a difference....We'll never know.

I understand he’s the well-greased political insider in our admin who has gotten us support in the general assembly. You were the one who stated it wouldn’t have happened without him. I just think that goes too far.

Since you often like to cut out critical parts of posts here is what I actually said.

"You guys can make fun of and criticize Charlie King all you want but without him JMU would not have many of the new facilities that have been built of substantially upgraded over the last 10 years.

Be careful what you wish for b/c when he retires soon there is no idea of who the next person will be...."

I never said specifically the AUB Center which is what you implied.....but if you think ALL the campus improvements over the last 10 years would have happened without Charlie King you are delusional. Like him, don't like him....I could care less....but that man secures the money and financing to build everything on that campus that everyone enjoys.

Don’t be so sensitive. I didn’t cut out anything. Often?? Wow. That’s just the post I replied to.

And yes, I don’t assume CK is the only person who could/would accomplish what he did. I give him credit for doing it, but I don’t act like it was a superhuman feat that only he could accomplish.

I don’t like him. You like him. That’s cool. We don’t have to agree.

I never said whether I like him or not. Shady - since you want to make sure we don't cut anything out - let it be noted that I just said I'm not shocked to see him front and center in one of the only 3 photos publicly shared of the center screen.

I'll go on the record stating that I don't like the reporting structure. Again, NOT sharing an opinion of CKing or his accomplishments over the past 10 years.

(07-07-2020 11:49 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I don’t like him. You like him. That’s cool. We don’t have to agree.

I don't have a personal opinion of him one way or the other but I am mature enough to know and admit that what that man does he does very well and it has been very good for JMU.

(07-07-2020 12:09 PM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  I never said whether I like him or not. Shady - since you want to make sure we don't cut anything out - let it be noted that I just said I'm not shocked to see him front and center in one of the only 3 photos publicly shared of the center screen.

I'll go on the record stating that I don't like the reporting structure. Again, NOT sharing an opinion of CKing or his accomplishments over the past 10 years.

Well JMUrcc06 thanks for being crystal clear unlike some others and I could care less what you think about him personally but the dude gets his job done damn well.

Not sure why you wanted to make a big deal out of calling him out in the scoreboard pic, just seems childish and immature is all. But hey you own and that is cool.

haha.

the people that don't like him have probably never met him, nor do they have any idea of what his actual job is.

they just don't like him because he didn't take the first FBS conference offer that was thrown JMU's way. That's the only reason

(07-07-2020 01:36 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  haha.

the people that don't like him have probably never met him, nor do they have any idea of what his actual job is.

they just don't like him because he didn't take the first FBS conference offer that was thrown JMU's way. That's the only reason

But what if that’s all wrong?

(07-07-2020 01:01 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 12:09 PM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  I never said whether I like him or not. Shady - since you want to make sure we don't cut anything out - let it be noted that I just said I'm not shocked to see him front and center in one of the only 3 photos publicly shared of the center screen.

I'll go on the record stating that I don't like the reporting structure. Again, NOT sharing an opinion of CKing or his accomplishments over the past 10 years.

Well JMUrcc06 thanks for being crystal clear unlike some others and I could care less what you think about him personally but the dude gets his job done damn well.

Not sure why you wanted to make a big deal out of calling him out in the scoreboard pic, just seems childish and immature is all. But hey you own and that is cool.

I can be pretty immature. This is true. No argument.

(07-07-2020 02:41 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 01:01 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 12:09 PM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  I never said whether I like him or not. Shady - since you want to make sure we don't cut anything out - let it be noted that I just said I'm not shocked to see him front and center in one of the only 3 photos publicly shared of the center screen.

I'll go on the record stating that I don't like the reporting structure. Again, NOT sharing an opinion of CKing or his accomplishments over the past 10 years.

Well JMUrcc06 thanks for being crystal clear unlike some others and I could care less what you think about him personally but the dude gets his job done damn well.

Not sure why you wanted to make a big deal out of calling him out in the scoreboard pic, just seems childish and immature is all. But hey you own and that is cool.

I can be pretty immature. This is true. No argument.

Nice.....can't we all at times.

(07-07-2020 11:40 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 10:44 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 10:10 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 10:05 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Maybe we wouldn’t. Or maybe we would. We’ll never know.

really that is what you are going with. the number one driving force and funding for all campus development has been Charlie King, period.

you might not like the guy, but geez give him some credit.

To use your logic it did not matter who we hired to coach basketball for the last 25 years.....it may have made a difference, but then again maybe it would not have made a difference....We'll never know.

I understand he’s the well-greased political insider in our admin who has gotten us support in the general assembly. You were the one who stated it wouldn’t have happened without him. I just think that goes too far.

Since you often like to cut out critical parts of posts here is what I actually said.

"You guys can make fun of and criticize Charlie King all you want but without him JMU would not have many of the new facilities that have been built of substantially upgraded over the last 10 years.

Be careful what you wish for b/c when he retires soon there is no idea of who the next person will be...."

I never said specifically the AUB Center which is what you implied.....but if you think ALL the campus improvements over the last 10 years would have happened without Charlie King you are delusional. Like him, don't like him....I could care less....but that man secures the money and financing to build everything on that campus that everyone enjoys.

Calm down, dude. It was a harmless joke about his pants, not the person. Sheesh. Product of today's society. Can't have fun with anything without somebody pretending to be offended.

(07-06-2020 04:59 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 04:57 PM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  Not at all shocked to see CKing front and center in a pic

Lol, look what I built! *pant pleats pleading for mercy*

That's some funny sh*t there!
Sorry to the offended, but the man has eaten a few extra helpings of hubris over the years.

(07-07-2020 01:28 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  We have this facility largely in part of CK and how good he is at his job. I guess if he wants to be the one with his picture next to the video screen then so be it. But a guy with less of an ego would have said 'hey let's put both program coaches on either side of the screen and use that picture on the University's social media'.

Just taking a guess, but I don't believe this was any type of photo op, just trying to show how large the board is. CK being a tad round, seemed appropriate for the message.

Charlie has never wanted to be the center of attention. He prefers to work behind the scenes. I have not seen him take credit nor boost about anything through the years. When he talks he uses words like “we” not “I”. I have found Charlie to be refreshingly open and honest when I have spent time with him. He is also a dedicated family man too.

According to those who know Charlie best he can be stubborn. Once he has made up his mind, he doesn’t change it. He rewards loyalty and never forgets those who were not.

Bourne is the consummate politician. He can answer a question intelligently without really saying anything. Charlie is more of a tell it like it is kind of guy. This is why I believe Charlie leaves the question an answer stuff to Jeff.

If you had dinner with Charlie, you would like him. I may not agree with every decision he makes but I do respect him as a person and as the VP of Finance at JMU. He does his job well and yes, his will big shoes to fill once he is gone.

(07-08-2020 06:55 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Charlie has never wanted to be the center of attention. He prefers to work behind the scenes. I have not seen him take credit nor boost about anything through the years. When he talks he uses words like “we” not “I”. I have found Charlie to be refreshingly open and honest when I have spent time with him. He is also a dedicated family man too.

According to those who know Charlie best he can be stubborn. Once he has made up his mind, he doesn’t change it. He rewards loyalty and never forgets those who were not.

Bourne is the consummate politician. He can answer a question intelligently without really saying anything. Charlie is more of a tell it like it is kind of guy. This is why I believe Charlie leaves the question an answer stuff to Jeff.

If you had dinner with Charlie, you would like him. I may not agree with every decision he makes but I do respect him as a person and as the VP of Finance at JMU. He does his job well and yes, his will big shoes to fill once he is gone.

I've personally never met the guy, so I can't speak of his character. IMO, the problem isn't him. The problem seems to be the distribution of power. He seems to have a LOT of power for a person that is in charge of financials.
Here's the thing, though: I don't think he's abusing that power. It was given to him and in part he is using it.
Lastly, people need to be careful what they wish for. It's entirely possible that the next person in line could be a big mistake and use their power even more so. And use that power in a way that destroys all the hard work that has been done.

(07-08-2020 07:19 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(07-08-2020 06:55 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Charlie has never wanted to be the center of attention. He prefers to work behind the scenes. I have not seen him take credit nor boost about anything through the years. When he talks he uses words like “we” not “I”. I have found Charlie to be refreshingly open and honest when I have spent time with him. He is also a dedicated family man too.

According to those who know Charlie best he can be stubborn. Once he has made up his mind, he doesn’t change it. He rewards loyalty and never forgets those who were not.

Bourne is the consummate politician. He can answer a question intelligently without really saying anything. Charlie is more of a tell it like it is kind of guy. This is why I believe Charlie leaves the question an answer stuff to Jeff.

If you had dinner with Charlie, you would like him. I may not agree with every decision he makes but I do respect him as a person and as the VP of Finance at JMU. He does his job well and yes, his will big shoes to fill once he is gone.

I've personally never met the guy, so I can't speak of his character. IMO, the problem isn't him. The problem seems to be the distribution of power. He seems to have a LOT of power for a person that is in charge of financials.
Here's the thing, though: I don't think he's abusing that power. It was given to him and in part he is using it.
Lastly, people need to be careful what they wish for. It's entirely possible that the next person in line could be a big mistake and use their power even more so. And use that power in a way that destroys all the hard work that has been done.

Well, as it’s often said, follow the money. When you arrive at the end of the rainbow and discover who controls the pot of gold that’s where the real power rests.

I’ve known CK for nearly 25 years. He is a straight shooter. He was hired by LR. I don’t know the backstory on CK’s hire, but it was inarguably the best hire LR ever made. Prior to the arrival of CK his office was not nearly as effective, nor as influential in securing resources for JMU. That had been Ron Carrier’s role, and thank goodness CK was there to take on that job when Ron retired.

The growth of CK in his role as VP of finance and in his legislative effectiveness on behalf of JMU has been historic. I’ve shared this thought before, that despite my admiration of Ron Carrier, CK has done more to change JMU for the better than any other person in its history.

CK will be darn near impossible to replace, not because he’s good with numbers, but because he truly cares about making JMU a better place, and because of his respected presence in Richmond. That transition to a post CK world will be happening in the near future. CK deserves all the accolades that will come his way.

(07-08-2020 07:45 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-08-2020 07:19 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(07-08-2020 06:55 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Charlie has never wanted to be the center of attention. He prefers to work behind the scenes. I have not seen him take credit nor boost about anything through the years. When he talks he uses words like “we” not “I”. I have found Charlie to be refreshingly open and honest when I have spent time with him. He is also a dedicated family man too.

According to those who know Charlie best he can be stubborn. Once he has made up his mind, he doesn’t change it. He rewards loyalty and never forgets those who were not.

Bourne is the consummate politician. He can answer a question intelligently without really saying anything. Charlie is more of a tell it like it is kind of guy. This is why I believe Charlie leaves the question an answer stuff to Jeff.

If you had dinner with Charlie, you would like him. I may not agree with every decision he makes but I do respect him as a person and as the VP of Finance at JMU. He does his job well and yes, his will big shoes to fill once he is gone.

I've personally never met the guy, so I can't speak of his character. IMO, the problem isn't him. The problem seems to be the distribution of power. He seems to have a LOT of power for a person that is in charge of financials.
Here's the thing, though: I don't think he's abusing that power. It was given to him and in part he is using it.
Lastly, people need to be careful what they wish for. It's entirely possible that the next person in line could be a big mistake and use their power even more so. And use that power in a way that destroys all the hard work that has been done.

Well, as it’s often said, follow the money. When you arrive at the end of the rainbow and discover who controls the pot of gold that’s where the real power rests.

I’ve known CK for nearly 25 years. He is a straight shooter. He was hired by LR. I don’t know the backstory on CK’s hire, but it was inarguably the best hire LR ever made. Prior to the arrival of CK his office was not nearly as effective, nor as influential in securing resources for JMU. That had been Ron Carrier’s role, and thank goodness CK was there to take on that job when Ron retired.

The growth of CK in his role as VP of finance and in his legislative effectiveness on behalf of JMU has been historic. I’ve shared this thought before, that despite my admiration of Ron Carrier, CK has done more to change JMU for the better than any other person in its history.

CK will be darn near impossible to replace, not because he’s good with numbers, but because he truly cares about making JMU a better place, and because of his respected presence in Richmond. That transition to a post CK world will be happening in the near future. CK deserves all the accolades that will come his way.

You said it better than I did Longhorn. I am afraid of what will happen when Charlie retires and Alger takes full control. We all might see a JMU that is markedly different than what we have seen over the years. I am not predicting doom. I am just nervous.

Anyone that cares about JMU passionately, as many of us do, should pay attention to how Charlie’s responsibilities are divided up once he is gone. I am fairly certain the reporting structure some criticize will not be maintained. While it may be changed to be more consistent with other universities, I am not convinced that will mean better results.

The new scoreboards and ribbon boards look slick. Can not wait to see them. One of the things I liked about the end boards in the Convo was that it showed the players #, points and # of fouls. Have been to a number of other arena while watching the Lady Dukes away games and a lot do not show the players fouls which I found to be distressing as I think that is an important stat during the game. Hope they continue to do that on the new boards in the AUB.

Also noted that the arenas name has been installed over what I assume is the main entrance on the parking garage side of the building.

Brian

(07-07-2020 07:52 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 11:40 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 10:44 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 10:10 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 10:05 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Maybe we wouldn’t. Or maybe we would. We’ll never know.

really that is what you are going with. the number one driving force and funding for all campus development has been Charlie King, period.

you might not like the guy, but geez give him some credit.

To use your logic it did not matter who we hired to coach basketball for the last 25 years.....it may have made a difference, but then again maybe it would not have made a difference....We'll never know.

I understand he’s the well-greased political insider in our admin who has gotten us support in the general assembly. You were the one who stated it wouldn’t have happened without him. I just think that goes too far.

Since you often like to cut out critical parts of posts here is what I actually said.

"You guys can make fun of and criticize Charlie King all you want but without him JMU would not have many of the new facilities that have been built of substantially upgraded over the last 10 years.

Be careful what you wish for b/c when he retires soon there is no idea of who the next person will be...."

I never said specifically the AUB Center which is what you implied.....but if you think ALL the campus improvements over the last 10 years would have happened without Charlie King you are delusional. Like him, don't like him....I could care less....but that man secures the money and financing to build everything on that campus that everyone enjoys.

Calm down, dude. It was a harmless joke about his pants, not the person. Sheesh. Product of today's society. Can't have fun with anything without somebody pretending to be offended.

Nah dude, you calm down and pipe down.....Don't tell me what to do and talk to me like I am your kid behind a keyboard. Nah you are a product of today's society that hide behind questionable humor to take shots at someone based on what, their appearance. I am not offended, I am just fed up with the constant CK bashing which often masquerade as humor.

I am just fed up with all these supposedly 'knowledgeable' posters who like to take shots at CK every chance they get on every single thread. It gets kind of old coming from folks who talk like they should know more, but based on their comments really have no idea what CK does, is responsible for, or have ever even met the man.

(07-08-2020 09:27 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-08-2020 07:45 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-08-2020 07:19 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(07-08-2020 06:55 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Charlie has never wanted to be the center of attention. He prefers to work behind the scenes. I have not seen him take credit nor boost about anything through the years. When he talks he uses words like “we” not “I”. I have found Charlie to be refreshingly open and honest when I have spent time with him. He is also a dedicated family man too.

According to those who know Charlie best he can be stubborn. Once he has made up his mind, he doesn’t change it. He rewards loyalty and never forgets those who were not.

Bourne is the consummate politician. He can answer a question intelligently without really saying anything. Charlie is more of a tell it like it is kind of guy. This is why I believe Charlie leaves the question an answer stuff to Jeff.

If you had dinner with Charlie, you would like him. I may not agree with every decision he makes but I do respect him as a person and as the VP of Finance at JMU. He does his job well and yes, his will big shoes to fill once he is gone.

I've personally never met the guy, so I can't speak of his character. IMO, the problem isn't him. The problem seems to be the distribution of power. He seems to have a LOT of power for a person that is in charge of financials.
Here's the thing, though: I don't think he's abusing that power. It was given to him and in part he is using it.
Lastly, people need to be careful what they wish for. It's entirely possible that the next person in line could be a big mistake and use their power even more so. And use that power in a way that destroys all the hard work that has been done.

Well, as it’s often said, follow the money. When you arrive at the end of the rainbow and discover who controls the pot of gold that’s where the real power rests.

I’ve known CK for nearly 25 years. He is a straight shooter. He was hired by LR. I don’t know the backstory on CK’s hire, but it was inarguably the best hire LR ever made. Prior to the arrival of CK his office was not nearly as effective, nor as influential in securing resources for JMU. That had been Ron Carrier’s role, and thank goodness CK was there to take on that job when Ron retired.

The growth of CK in his role as VP of finance and in his legislative effectiveness on behalf of JMU has been historic. I’ve shared this thought before, that despite my admiration of Ron Carrier, CK has done more to change JMU for the better than any other person in its history.

CK will be darn near impossible to replace, not because he’s good with numbers, but because he truly cares about making JMU a better place, and because of his respected presence in Richmond. That transition to a post CK world will be happening in the near future. CK deserves all the accolades that will come his way.

You said it better than I did Longhorn. I am afraid of what will happen when Charlie retires and Alger takes full control. We all might see a JMU that is markedly different than what we have seen over the years. I am not predicting doom. I am just nervous.

Anyone that cares about JMU passionately, as many of us do, should pay attention to how Charlie’s responsibilities are divided up once he is gone. I am fairly certain the reporting structure some criticize will not be maintained. While it may be changed to be more consistent with other universities, I am not convinced that will mean better results.

What makes you think his duties will be divided / disbursed to others vs. his role being filled with a successor?

While the reporting structure is a bit odd....CK and team have done a heck of a job keeping JMU growing smartly