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This has really been bothering me and it is a very common occurrence these days. Having twins of my own I know how tough it is. Having kids period is very tough. Your tired, sleep deprived, stressed. I get all of that. But to forget to get your child out of the car is a little baffling to me. Forgetting your keys or a diaper bag or leaving your car unlock I get but I just can't wrap my head around leaving your kid in a car. I feel for the parents of these kids. The police did not press charges because they truly believed it was an accident. Praying for the family because this has to be tough.

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There was a recent-ish (June 2014) instance of this happening in suburban Atlanta and the dad was arrested and eventually convicted (murder) for doing it on purpose. But most of the time I think it is an accident brought on by exhaustion/sleep deprivation/etc. like the OP suggested.

In recent years as the technology of cell-phone cameras and the ability to send text-photos has become more commonplace, I’ve heard of more and more new-parents sending pictures of the baby every so often to reassure the other parent or other family-members that everything is okay. I realize that’s not an option for everybody but my wife and I did that a lot when ours were first born.

(05-12-2018 09:27 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.c...a.amp.html

This has really been bothering me and it is a very common occurrence these days. Having twins of my own I know how tough it is. Having kids period is very tough. Your tired, sleep deprived, stressed. I get all of that. But to forget to get your child out of the car is a little baffling to me.

The worst problem is just the habits... If you're not in the habit of dropping off a kid, and the kid falls asleep on the drive, and you're exhausted.

One time, when going to pick my kids up at school, I took the baby to give my wife a break. It's a 25 minute drive and the baby fell asleep... I was tired as hell and when I got to the school I just walked in to pick up my kid, forgetting the baby was in the back.

It was 10 minutes in the car on a nice spring day, so no big deal, but it gave me a lot of empathy for others.

This one though, I don't get at all..

"A neighbor said she believes the father dropped his wife off at work early in the morning Thursday and forgot the babies were in the vehicle when he got home, WTVR reported."

I can understand getting home and walking into the house because you're exhausted... But to not realize it for six hours? at your home? when you're supposed to be watching the kids?

(05-12-2018 10:29 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  This one though, I don't get at all..

"A neighbor said she believes the father dropped his wife off at work early in the morning Thursday and forgot the babies were in the vehicle when he got home, WTVR reported."

I can understand getting home and walking into the house because you're exhausted... But to not realize it for six hours? at your home? when you're supposed to be watching the kids?

Yea. That bothered me as well. When my kids where that age I was afraid of SID's so I was constantly checking on them while they slept. To not even think about them for 6 hours was unheard of.

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(05-12-2018 10:35 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(05-12-2018 10:29 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I can understand getting home and walking into the house because you're exhausted... But to not realize it for six hours? at your home? when you're supposed to be watching the kids?

Yea. That bothered me as well. When my kids where that age I was afraid of SID's so I was constantly checking on them while they slept. To not even think about them for 6 hours was unheard of.

My honest first reaction to that would be “drugs” but there’s no mention of it in the article...

My son loses his billfold twice a week, luckily he finds it after 30 minutes of searching. The reason I stopped carrying money in my billfold (40 years ago) I lost over $400 when my billfold fell out of my pocket when I was 18. So it got me thinking about how often that happens and how easy of a fix it would be.

So I was talking it over with a friend of mind and we are working on a blue tooth like credit card and app that can be found with a PC, Phone. I bet it wouldn't add $5 to the cost of a car seat to add something like that and it pings your phone if you get out of a certain range.

I did not think the guy in Atlanta was guilty of doing that on purpose . I believe the jury found him guilty because he was texting(sex) off and on all day with a girl he was cheating with.

(05-12-2018 11:12 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  My son loses his billfold twice a week, luckily he finds it after 30 minutes of searching. The reason I stopped carrying money in my billfold (40 years ago) I lost over $400 when my billfold fell out of my pocket when I was 18. So it got me thinking about how often that happens and how easy of a fix it would be.

So I was talking it over with a friend of mind and we are working on a blue tooth like credit card and app that can be found with a PC, Phone. I bet it wouldn't add $5 to the cost of a car seat to add something like that and it pings your phone if you get out of a certain range.

I did not think the guy in Atlanta was guilty of doing that on purpose . I believe the jury found him guilty because he was texting(sex) off and on all day with a girl he was cheating with.

That's actually a good idea.

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How can someone forget there is a baby on board ? To me, that's impossible.

(05-12-2018 11:12 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  I did not think the guy in Atlanta was guilty of doing that on purpose . I believe the jury found him guilty because he was texting(sex) off and on all day with a girl he was cheating with.

Aside from the fact that he was texting, the actual content/words of his text messages were rather incriminating. And the search-history on his computers (you’d think an IT-guy would’ve anticipated that one). And some weird sh!t that he and his wife said that day. And the question of whether a 22-month old kid who had started speaking some words and was constantly babbling (according to day-care teachers) would really be quiet for that long in the car (personal experience from raising 2 kids: possible but not likely). There was a lot of stuff here that made people who initially thought him innocent to change their minds.

Even before the bit about adultery and sexting teenagers etc. came out, there was something about the situation that made the very first cop on the scene take him in for questioning. And something that made other cops decide to arrest him that night. And the Cobb Co. solicitor asked him to be held without bond at the initial hearing. And the judge agreed. I promise you, these are not ordinary actions/decisions by people, not even in a case like this.

One final thought on the matter from me: if, God forbid, I was ever accused of doing something like that, you could not possibly keep me off the witness stand at trial. Yeah yeah, right-to-remain-silent, burden-of-proof, etc., whatever. Fact is, a jury wants to hear it straight from the defendant. And even after hearing the prosecutors (for several days) accuse him of letting his son slowly roast to death over a period of hours, the guy just ... sat there and kept quiet. How can you not take that opportunity to speak up? People (jurors) form opinions based on things like that.

(05-12-2018 11:40 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  How can someone forget there is a baby on board ? To me, that's impossible.

XACLY! in any scenario I could possibly imagine, I have no clue how one could possibly forget there is a child in the vehicle.....

and I'm one of those that has to do the self pat down and STILL have to make the block 50% of the time b/c I left something at the house after pulling off....hell, I just went to jackson a couple of weeks ago, got halfway there, and realized I left my dayum suitcase....

when my daughter was an infant during transport, it was never a thought what the first move was....it was as instinctive as taking a piss....

I'll never understand how any individual is incapacitated/brain dead to the point where this could happen.......

the defense wouldn't want me on that jury....

(05-13-2018 12:31 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-12-2018 11:40 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  How can someone forget there is a baby on board ? To me, that's impossible.

XACLY! in any scenario I could possibly imagine, I have no clue how one could possibly forget there is a child in the vehicle.....

and I'm one of those that has to do the self pat down and STILL have to make the block 50% of the time b/c I left something at the house after pulling off....hell, I just went to jackson a couple of weeks ago, got halfway there, and realized I left my dayum suitcase....

when my daughter was an infant during transport, it was never a thought what the first move was....it was as instinctive as taking a piss....

I'll never understand how any individual is incapacitated/brain dead to the point where this could happen.......

the defense wouldn't want me on that jury....

I'm so glad I'm not alone in this!

Years ago when my younger girl was a year or so, I was picking up my older daughter from day care and I somehow locked the door with the younger one in her car seat (the car was running so she wasn't in danger with the AC going on). But I of course was panicked and I had the day care call the fire department and they quickly got there and used their device to open up the car. I probably would have been cited if the car AC wasn't running (although I would have smashed the window within seconds). But needless to say, I never did anything like that again.

People are in such a hurry these days. Why do parents text or drive distracted? That's probably more dangerous statistically than locking a kid in a heated car. But you see it all the time - I kept seeing one car swerve in front of me the other day on one of the busy thoroughfares and sure enough, I sped up to pass him and saw him texting away while I was driving....

Some people shouldn't be parents. Simple as that.

When we found out my wife was pregnant I made sure it became a habit to always check my rear view mirror and the backseat whenever I went anywhere. Luckily we're at the point that his seat faces out and he reminds me he's there. I don't think I'd ever leave him in a vehicle but never would forgive myself if I did.

One Saturday morning 14 years ago my wife was working a booth at a convention two miles from our house and I was home with my one year old. I had a friend over and we were recording a song (just a hobby, we aren't that good, lol). It was lunch time, the baby was napping, and my wife called asking if I'd bring her some lunch. My friend and I rode down the street, through a drive thru, and on to drop off my wife's lunch. Her first words were 'where's rachel?'.... I felt so stupid. We had left her asleep in her crib. Neither me nor my friend had remembered that my baby was napping. We rushed back home and she was still asleep, but every time I hear someone say 'how can a parent forget their child' I remember that day, and doing just that.

(05-13-2018 08:12 AM)Chappy Wrote:  One Saturday morning 14 years ago my wife was working a booth at a convention two miles from our house and I was home with my one year old. I had a friend over and we were recording a song (just a hobby, we aren't that good, lol). It was lunch time, the baby was napping, and my wife called asking if I'd bring her some lunch. My friend and I rode down the street, through a drive thru, and on to drop off my wife's lunch. Her first words were 'where's rachel?'.... I felt so stupid. We had left her asleep in her crib. Neither me nor my friend had remembered that my baby was napping. We rushed back home and she was still asleep, but every time I hear someone say 'how can a parent forget their child' I remember that day, and doing just that.

I dod something similar once, with the same result fortunately. My son is now 32 and living in Tokyo and doing well.

I've had 3 kids and never even came close to leaving any of them in the car. I don't get it.

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(05-13-2018 12:13 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-12-2018 11:12 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  I did not think the guy in Atlanta was guilty of doing that on purpose . I believe the jury found him guilty because he was texting(sex) off and on all day with a girl he was cheating with.

Aside from the fact that he was texting, the actual content/words of his text messages were rather incriminating. And the search-history on his computers (you’d think an IT-guy would’ve anticipated that one). And some weird sh!t that he and his wife said that day. And the question of whether a 22-month old kid who had started speaking some words and was constantly babbling (according to day-care teachers) would really be quiet for that long in the car (personal experience from raising 2 kids: possible but not likely). There was a lot of stuff here that made people who initially thought him innocent to change their minds.

Even before the bit about adultery and sexting teenagers etc. came out, there was something about the situation that made the very first cop on the scene take him in for questioning. And something that made other cops decide to arrest him that night. And the Cobb Co. solicitor asked him to be held without bond at the initial hearing. And the judge agreed. I promise you, these are not ordinary actions/decisions by people, not even in a case like this.

One final thought on the matter from me: if, God forbid, I was ever accused of doing something like that, you could not possibly keep me off the witness stand at trial. Yeah yeah, right-to-remain-silent, burden-of-proof, etc., whatever. Fact is, a jury wants to hear it straight from the defendant. And even after hearing the prosecutors (for several days) accuse him of letting his son slowly roast to death over a period of hours, the guy just ... sat there and kept quiet. How can you not take that opportunity to speak up? People (jurors) form opinions based on things like that.

Two things that damned him. Returning to his car at lunch time and putting something in it when the medical examiner said the smell would have been extremely noticeable and the fact he made it a couple of miles down the road in the afternoon before stopping.

I have no doubt in my mind he did it on purpose and the sick **** figured he could get away with it looking like an accident. Just no regard for his child suffering an excruciating death.

As a father, the thing that always chokes me up when I hear about these stories is what was going through the mind of the child. Someone has been there for them every second of their life up until the point that they are roasting in a car and no one is answering their cries.