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Great concept, JR.

National Association of College Football

CFP remains a four-team playoff, with conference championship games acting as "de facto" quarterfinal games. Eliminated are the Big 12 Conference and the Sun Belt Conference. Each of their members are allocated to other conferences. Under the new structure, all members of the NACF must belong to a conference (no Independents are allowed to compete for either NACF National Championship - Division A or Division B). Each Division A team plays an eight-game division schedule, along with four out-of-conference games that do not count against their divisional record or standing. This allows Notre Dame to maintain USC/Stanford/Navy annually, along with a floating Shamrock Series game. For the four OOC games, opponents must be from Division A. Division A of the NACF is essentially the P5 (ACC, B1G, PAC and SEC) with some call-ups.

Division B is what is now the MAC, MWC, AAC and C-USA. For Division B Playoffs, each Conference Championship Game, again, is essentially a quarterfinal. The MAC Champion would play the C-USA Champion in a bowl/playoff. The MWC Champion would play the American Champion in a bowl/playoff. Both Champions would meet in what would be the NACF Division B National Championship.

With the reduction in bowl games, and the rise and popularity of Conference Championship games, cities now begin mass-bidding on hosting these games. Miami, Atlanta, New Orleans and Houston all can bid extravagantly on the SEC Championship. Indianapolis, Minnesota and Detroit (with their enclosed stadiums) can all bid on the B1G Championship. Los Angeles, Las Vegas, San Francisco and Phoenix all bid on the PAC Championship. Atlanta, Orlando, Dallas and Tampa all bid on the ACC Championship.

B1G Champion vs. PAC Champion in Pasadena annually (Rose Bowl)
SEC Champion vs. ACC Champion in Miami (Orange Bowl), Atlanta (Sugar Bowl) or Cotton Bowl (Arlington) - whichever city does not get Conference Championship games.

The National Association of College Football National Championship is an event that can be bid on by any city, and host venue is selected by committee (similar to the Super Bowl). Suddenly, more cities and more opportunities open up in hosting the event.

FBS - Division A

SEC East
Alabama
Clemson
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

SEC West
Arkansas
Auburn
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Missouri
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M

B1G East
Duke
Maryland
Michigan
Michigan State
North Carolina
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers
Virginia

B1G West
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Purdue
Wisconsin

PAC West
California
Oregon
Oregon State
San Diego State
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Washington
Washington State

PAC East
Arizona
Arizona State
BYU
Colorado
Iowa State
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Utah

ACC Atlantic
Boston College
Georgia Tech
Miami (FL)
North Carolina State
Notre Dame
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

ACC Coastal
Baylor
Cincinnati
Houston
Louisville
Memphis
TCU
UCF
USF
West Virginia
_______________________________________

FBS - Division B

MAC East
Akron
Buffalo
Kent State
Miami (OH)
Ohio
Temple
UConn

MAC West
Ball State
Bowling Green
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Northern Illinois
Toledo
Western Michigan

MWC Mountain
Air Force
Colorado State
Navy
New Mexico
Rice
SMU
Wyoming

MWC West
Boise State
Fresno State
Hawaii
Nevada
UNLV
San Jose State
Utah State

AAC East
Army
ECU
FAU
FIU
Marshall
Middle Tennessee State
Western Kentucky

AAC West
Arkansas State
Louisiana Tech
Southern Mississippi
Texas State
Tulane
Tulsa
UT-San Antonio

Conference USA East
Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
Liberty
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Old Dominion
UMass
UNC-Charlotte

Conference USA West
New Mexico State
North Texas
Southern Alabama
Troy
UL-Lafayette
UL-Monroe
UAB
UTEP
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My P4 consists of 18 teams each in two divisions, with no protected crossovers. Division champions are based only on the 4 home / 4 away division schedule. All divisions (including the G6) have nine teams.

My goals in deciding how to create the divisions were: (1) Keep them as geographically tight as practical (2) Minimize the number of rivalry games OOD, (3) include all the schools with any realistic chance of winning a national championship tournament, and (4) Make the four conferences as evenly matched strength wise as practical given the other three goals.

I apologize in advance to the fans of the four current P5 teams who I relegated to the G6, and the four FBS teams relegated to FCS. I just couldn't make it work for you. I only promoted one FCS school (James Madison) which I needed to make a rational division in CUSA.

I decided to take Notre Dame at their word that they don't want to be in a conference. They remain the only independent team in FBS.

For those fans who would prefer not to have to rub shoulders with conference mates they consider academically inferior, I say get over yourself. We are talking about the athletic department here, not the chemistry department.

My P4, with each conference's 8 year average Sagarin power rating in parentheses, are as follows, with FCS moveups or startups in the past 20 years printed in blue. Schools are listed in order of their Sagarin rating.

SEC (78.9)

East: Alabama, LSU, Florida State, Mississippi State, Baylor, Florida, Ole Miss, South Florida, Memphis

West: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Texas, Houston, SMU, Rice

ACC (75.9)

North: Penn State, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, North Carolina, NC State, Pitt, Duke, Maryland, Virginia

South: Clemson, Georgia, Auburn, South Carolina, Miami, Georgia Tech, Tennessee, Central Florida, East Carolina

PAC (75.5)

Coastal: Stanford, Oregon, Southern Cal, Washington, Boise State, UCLA, California, Washington St, Oregon St

Southwest: Utah, Arizona State, BYU, Arizona, Texas Tech, San Diego St, Air Force, Colorado, Colorado State

B1G (74.5)

East: Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan, Louisville, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue

Prairie: Wisconsin, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa, Nebraska, Northwestern, Minnesota, Iowa State, Kansas

I would expect these conferences to use their autonomy to allow a four game conference championship tournament. The winner of each division would host the runner up in the other division for a chance to play a neutral site championship game the next week.

The dreaded G6 looks like this:

AAC: Navy, Boston College, Syracuse, Temple, Cincinnati, Wake Forest, Rutgers, UConn, Army

MAC: Northern Illinois, Western Michigan, Toledo, Ohio, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Buffalo, Miami (O), Kent State

CUSA: Marshall, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, Old Dominion, James Madison, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Liberty, Charlotte

Sunbelt: Arkansas State, Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, Troy, Louisiana, Coastal Carolina, LA - Monroe, South Alabama, Georgia State

Mtn West: Utah State, Nevada, Fresno State, Wyoming, San Jose State, Hawaii, New Mexico, UNLV, UTEP

Southwest: Louisiana Tech, Tulsa, Southern Miss, North Texas, Ut San Antonio, UAB, Tulane, Texas State, New Mexico State

I identified a dozen rivalry games that would have to be played out of division (OOD). These are:

Alabama - Auburn
Florida State - Miami
Florida - Georgia
USF - UCF
Georgia Tech - Duke
Oklahoma - Nebraska
Texas - Texas Tech
North Carolina - Wake Forest
Pitt - Syracuse
Stanford - Notre Dame
Southern Cal - Notre Dame
Vanderbilt, Tennessee

I would imagine the P4 would not object if the G6 conferences wanted to pair off and match their champions in a post season game before the bowl season starts. I'd guess they would pair off in the order I listed them.

EDIT 5/12:

My preference regarding media contracts is that the P4 negotiate with ESPN, Fox, CBS, et al as a single entity, a la the NFL. A certain number of games could be carved out for individual conference networks (which already exist), and others to be retained by individual schools. But first dibs would be spread among all the networks to maximize revenue, which would be shared equally among all 72 teams.

To increase the inventory of attractive games, I would start the regular season one week earlier. Not only does this give every team an additional bye week, it also allows increases the number of available regular season time windows by 7%.

And, I would restrict bowl qualifying wins to those against FBS opponents only. For schools with large enough home attendance to want to always play 7 home games, they could do this while playing two P4 opponents OOD home and away, plus two G6 buy games, since all divisions play 8 games. Some of those P4 opponents may be from their own conference.

EDIT 5/16

To the point of not excluding anyone from the P4 with a realistic chance of winning a national championship tournament, the highest ranked team not included based on 8 year avarage Sagarin rating is Navy at #52.
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Big East (12)
BC
CUSE
Rutgers
Penn St
UCONN
Temple

Army
Navy
Pitt
West Virginia
Notre Dame
ECU

ACC (10)
UNC
NC St
Wake
Duke
Maryland
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Miami

Big 10 (10)
Michigan
Michigan St
Ohio St
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois
Northwestern
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Iowa

AAC (9)
Tulsa
Tulane
Memphis
Southern Miss
UAB
UCF
USF
Louisville
Cincinnati

Big 8 (8)
Iowa St
Missouri
Nebraska
Colorado
Kansas
Kansas St
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St

SEC (12)
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vandy
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida

Florida St
Alabama
Auburn
Ole Miss
Mississippi St
LSU

SWC (9)
Arkansas
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Baylor
SMU
TCU
Rice
Houston

MWC (9)
BYU
Utah
Arizona
Arizona St
New Mexico
Colorado St
Air Force
UNLV
San Diego St

PAC 8 (8)
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St
Stanford
Cal
USC
UCLA

WAC (9)
Boise St
Wyoming
Utah St
San Jose St
Nevada
Hawaii
Fresno St
UTEP
New Mexico St

MAC (13)
Northern Illinois
Ball St
Bowling Green
Akron
Ohio
Kent St
Miami Ohio

Buffalo
Central Michigan
Western Michigan
Eastern Michigan
UMASS
Toledo

CUSA (12)
Middle Tennessee St
Western Kentucky
Marshall
Liberty
Old Dominion
App St

Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Georgia St
FAU
FIU

Sun Belt (9)
North Texas
UTSA
Texas St
Arkansas St
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
Louisiana Tech
Troy
South Alabama

I bring back 3 conferences: SWC, Big East and WAC.
I tried to stay as consistent with regional/geographic rivals as possible.
Top 4 play each other in the rotating bowls like now. Traditional bowl matchups otherwise:
Rose Bowl: Big 10 vs PAC
Cotton Bowl: Big 8 vs SWC
Orange Bowl: Big East vs at large
Peach: ACC vs AAC
Sugar Bowl: SEC vs At Large
Fiesta Bowl: MWC vs at large
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ACC
North - Boston College, Florida State, Louisville, Miami, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia
South – Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

Big Ten
East – Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers
West – Illinois, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

SEC
East – Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West – Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, Texas A&M

PAC-16
Pacific – California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Washington State
Southwest – Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, New Mexico, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, Utah

Big 12
Baylor, BYU*, Colorado State, Houston, Kansas State, Memphis, Rice, SMU, Tulane, Wichita State
*Football Only

AAC
North – Army*, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Navy*, Temple
South – Charlotte, East Carolina, Marshall, Old Dominion, UCF, USF
*Football Only

MWC
Mountain - Air Force, Boise State, New Mexico State, Utah State, UTEP, Wyoming
West - Fresno State, Hawaii*, Nevada, San Diego State, San Jose State, UNLV
*Football Only

MAC
East – Akron, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Kent State, Miami, Ohio
West – Ball State, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Northern Illinois, Toledo, Western Michigan

CUSA
Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Louisiana Tech, Middle Tennessee, North Texas, Southern Miss, UAB, UTSA, Western Kentucky

Sun Belt
East – Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, South Alabama, Troy
West – Arkansas State, Little Rock, Louisiana, Louisiana-Monroe, Texas State, UTA

Independent - Liberty

I'm sure there would be some FCS move ups to fill holes.
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I reorganized the entire FBS into regional 12 team conferences. A handful of FBS call ups were used to round everything out. Now the divisions could be tweaked but I think the conferences themselves are great regional conferences that doesn't determine between the haves and have nots.

The 11 conference champs plus 5 wild cards make the 16 team playoff. First two rounds at the higher seeds home field then the semi's and championship games are on neutral sites.

Pac 12:

North- UW, WSU, OSU, UO, Stanford, Cal

South- USC, UCLA, SDSU, Hawaii, Fresno, SJSU

CCG Site: LA

WAC:

North- Boise, Idaho, Montana, BYU, Utah, Utah St

South- ASU, UA, UNLV, Nevada, NMSU, UNM

CCG Site: Vegas

Lone Star Conference:

West- Texas Tech, UTEP, Baylor, Texas, Texas St, UTSA

East- A&M, Houston, TCU, SMU, Rice, N Texas

CCG Site: Dallas

Great Plains Conference:

West- CU, CSU, Air Force, Wyoming, Nebraska, KSU

East- OU, OSU, Tulsa, KU, Mizz, Mizz St

CCG Site: KC/Denver

Big North:

West- Iowa, ISU, N Dakota St, Minny, Wisc, N Illinois

East- Illinois, NW, Indiana, Purdue, ND, Ball St

CCG Site: Chicago

Great Lakes Conference:

North- UM, MSU, W Michigan, C Michigan, E Michigan, Toledo

South- OSU, Ohio, Akron, Bowling Green, Miami, Kent

CCG Site: Cleveland/Detroit

Appalachian Conference:

West- Memphis, Midd Tenn, Vandy, UT, WKU, Ark St

East- UK, Cincy, WVU, Marshall, App State, UofL

CCG Site: Nashville

SEC:

South- UF, Miami, Fl Int, Fl Atlantic, USF, UCF

North- FSU, GT, UGA, Georgia Southern, Georgia St, Troy

CCG Site: Atlanta

Dixie Conference:

West- Ark, LSU, La Tech, Tulane, La Monroe, S Miss

East- Bama, Auburn, UAB, S Bama, Miss St, Ole Miss

CCG Site:New Orleans

Mid-Atlantic Conference:

South- UNC, Duke, Charolette, USC, Clemson, Coastal Carolina

North- UVA, Old Dominion, VT, ECU, Wake, NC St

CCG Site: Charlotte

Big Yankee Conference:

South- Maryland, Navy, Temple, PSU, Rutgers, Pitt

North- Cuse, BC, UMass, UConn, Buffalo, Army

CCG Site: New Jersey (Giants Stadium)

For Reference

[Image: 829e1726d0aa14d8a79d4e06d8c4c874.jpg]
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(05-11-2018 01:22 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(05-11-2018 01:00 PM)ken d Wrote:  I am really bummed. Just as I was about to post my (lengthy) reply, a pop up survey bumped me out of the forum. Now I have to start all over again. This time, I think I'll type it in Word so I can save it as I go before cutting and pasting here. 03-banghead[/i] Maybe this time it will let me use colored fonts.

There’s also a “Save as Draft” feature when you post. Kept using that when typing mine because my phone is unreliable.

Thanks for the tip. That's better than using Word, because if I paste from Word it won't paste colors, bolding, etc.
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(05-11-2018 07:30 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(05-11-2018 04:59 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  I reorganized the entire FBS into regional 12 team conferences. A handful of FBS call ups were used to round everything out. Now the divisions could be tweaked but I think the conferences themselves are great regional conferences that doesn't determine between the haves and have nots.

The 11 conference champs plus 5 wild cards make the 16 team playoff. First two rounds at the higher seeds home field then the semi's and championship games are on neutral sites.

Pac 12:

North- UW, WSU, OSU, UO, Stanford, Cal

South- USC, UCLA, SDSU, Hawaii, Fresno, SJSU

CCG Site: LA

WAC:

North- Boise, Idaho, Montana, BYU, Utah, Utah St

South- ASU, UA, UNLV, Nevada, NMSU, UNM

CCG Site: Vegas

Lone Star Conference:

West- Texas Tech, UTEP, Baylor, Texas, Texas St, UTSA

East- A&M, Houston, TCU, SMU, Rice, N Texas

CCG Site: Dallas

Great Plains Conference:

West- CU, CSU, Air Force, Wyoming, Nebraska, KSU

East- OU, OSU, Tulsa, KU, Mizz, Mizz St

CCG Site: KC/Denver

Big North:

West- Iowa, ISU, N Dakota St, Minny, Wisc, N Illinois

East- Illinois, NW, Indiana, Purdue, ND, Ball St

CCG Site: Chicago

Great Lakes Conference:

North- UM, MSU, W Michigan, C Michigan, E Michigan, Toledo

South- OSU, Ohio, Akron, Bowling Green, Miami, Kent

CCG Site: Cleveland/Detroit

Appalachian Conference:

West- Memphis, Midd Tenn, Vandy, UT, WKU, Ark St

East- UK, Cincy, WVU, Marshall, App State, UofL

CCG Site: Nashville

SEC:

South- UF, Miami, Fl Int, Fl Atlantic, USF, UCF

North- FSU, GT, UGA, Georgia Southern, Georgia St, Troy

CCG Site: Atlanta

Dixie Conference:

West- Ark, LSU, La Tech, Tulane, La Monroe, S Miss

East- Bama, Auburn, UAB, S Bama, Miss St, Ole Miss

CCG Site:New Orleans

Mid-Atlantic Conference:

South- UNC, Duke, Charolette, USC, Clemson, Coastal Carolina

North- UVA, Old Dominion, VT, ECU, Wake, NC St

CCG Site: Charlotte

Big Yankee Conference:

South- Maryland, Navy, Temple, PSU, Rutgers, Pitt

North- Cuse, BC, UMass, UConn, Buffalo, Army

CCG Site: New Jersey (Giants Stadium)

For Reference

[Image: 829e1726d0aa14d8a79d4e06d8c4c874.jpg]

I'll grant these conferences are regional. But by not differentiating between haves and have nots, they are almost by definition not great conferences. They are conferences no media partner is going to pay very much for, because few people will want to watch most of their games. In many of these divisions, there is a five or six touchdown difference between the best and worst teams. That is to say, those are cupcake games, and there would be far more of them than we see today.

Cool story. I didn't realize i had to set up my conferences to your specifics. Give me a list of the criteria I should follow and I'll get right on fixing it for you. 07-coffee3

BTW you are talking about if the games were played right now and that is the way it would always be, like some of these schools couldn't possibly get better over time while playing big name opponents in conference play.

If you like how things are right now then this thread isn't for you.
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(05-11-2018 12:42 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  
(05-11-2018 11:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-11-2018 09:24 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  
(05-10-2018 10:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-10-2018 02:27 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  TL;DR
I personally think this system will combine the best aspects of the professional, on the field format that the NFL and every other pro-league in the world utilizes, while style maintaining the glamour and "every game matters" aspect that makes CFB great, while reinvigorating the postseason with actual games that matter to play. Rather than 35+ "Bowl Champions" you would have only 4 Regional Champions, 1 NIT Champion, and 1 Grand National Champion. Payouts are issued similar to NCAA basketball tournament rules.

Actually you are 8X16, not 9.

Thank you, fixed!

Do you have any other criticisms of the format? Honest question

Personally, I don't like pods. I don't like the idea of 4 team division winners getting an autobid for the championship. Too many bad teams. And I don't like the conferences getting larger. Rivalries get too diluted with the Big 10 and SEC. Not as much with the other conferences.

If you are going to do 16 team conferences, I don't have many objections to your organization of the teams.

The thing I love about pods is it's one of the ways it allows conferences to have more members in the fold, while still playing every member in the conference on a regular basis. That's the appeal to me, not the size, but that the members you choose to associate with actually play you, unlike the SEC operates now. The way they have it now, there are some teams that haven't even played each other since the conference reached this form, for example Texas A&M and Kentucky. Florida hasn't played Auburn since 2011 and won't again until 2019. That's just ridiculous. With pods, you see every opponents stadium, and they visit yours once every 4 years.

What you describe is one of my objections to their 14 team league, especially with an 8 game conference schedule.
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(05-11-2018 08:01 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-11-2018 07:30 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(05-11-2018 04:59 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  I reorganized the entire FBS into regional 12 team conferences. A handful of FBS call ups were used to round everything out. Now the divisions could be tweaked but I think the conferences themselves are great regional conferences that doesn't determine between the haves and have nots.

The 11 conference champs plus 5 wild cards make the 16 team playoff. First two rounds at the higher seeds home field then the semi's and championship games are on neutral sites.

Pac 12:

North- UW, WSU, OSU, UO, Stanford, Cal

South- USC, UCLA, SDSU, Hawaii, Fresno, SJSU

CCG Site: LA

WAC:

North- Boise, Idaho, Montana, BYU, Utah, Utah St

South- ASU, UA, UNLV, Nevada, NMSU, UNM

CCG Site: Vegas

Lone Star Conference:

West- Texas Tech, UTEP, Baylor, Texas, Texas St, UTSA

East- A&M, Houston, TCU, SMU, Rice, N Texas

CCG Site: Dallas

Great Plains Conference:

West- CU, CSU, Air Force, Wyoming, Nebraska, KSU

East- OU, OSU, Tulsa, KU, Mizz, Mizz St

CCG Site: KC/Denver

Big North:

West- Iowa, ISU, N Dakota St, Minny, Wisc, N Illinois

East- Illinois, NW, Indiana, Purdue, ND, Ball St

CCG Site: Chicago

Great Lakes Conference:

North- UM, MSU, W Michigan, C Michigan, E Michigan, Toledo

South- OSU, Ohio, Akron, Bowling Green, Miami, Kent

CCG Site: Cleveland/Detroit

Appalachian Conference:

West- Memphis, Midd Tenn, Vandy, UT, WKU, Ark St

East- UK, Cincy, WVU, Marshall, App State, UofL

CCG Site: Nashville

SEC:

South- UF, Miami, Fl Int, Fl Atlantic, USF, UCF

North- FSU, GT, UGA, Georgia Southern, Georgia St, Troy

CCG Site: Atlanta

Dixie Conference:

West- Ark, LSU, La Tech, Tulane, La Monroe, S Miss

East- Bama, Auburn, UAB, S Bama, Miss St, Ole Miss

CCG Site:New Orleans

Mid-Atlantic Conference:

South- UNC, Duke, Charolette, USC, Clemson, Coastal Carolina

North- UVA, Old Dominion, VT, ECU, Wake, NC St

CCG Site: Charlotte

Big Yankee Conference:

South- Maryland, Navy, Temple, PSU, Rutgers, Pitt

North- Cuse, BC, UMass, UConn, Buffalo, Army

CCG Site: New Jersey (Giants Stadium)

For Reference

[Image: 829e1726d0aa14d8a79d4e06d8c4c874.jpg]

I'll grant these conferences are regional. But by not differentiating between haves and have nots, they are almost by definition not great conferences. They are conferences no media partner is going to pay very much for, because few people will want to watch most of their games. In many of these divisions, there is a five or six touchdown difference between the best and worst teams. That is to say, those are cupcake games, and there would be far more of them than we see today.

Cool story. I didn't realize i had to set up my conferences to your specifics. Give me a list of the criteria I should follow and I'll get right on fixing it for you. 07-coffee3

BTW you are talking about if the games were played right now and that is the way it would always be, like some of these schools couldn't possibly get better over time while playing big name opponents in conference play.

If you like how things are right now then this thread isn't for you.

You are right. I should not have posted that comment. My apologies, sir.
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I think a much better arraignment can be had from school nicknames, based on the Histories of the schools:

Conference of the Birds: (far better than Conference USA)
Boston College Eagles
Louisville Cardinals
Temple Owls
Iowa Hawkeyes
Florida Atlantic Owls
Rice Owls
Southern Miss Golden Eagles
UTSA Roadrunners
Ball State Cardinals
Bowling Green Falcons
Eastern Michigan Eagles
Miami (OH) RedHawks
Air Force Falcons
Oregon Ducks
South Carolina Gamecocks
Georgia Southern Eagles
Louisiana-Monroe Warhawks

Carnivorous Cats Conference: (aka, the "CCC")
World Cats Division:
Clemson Tigers
Memphis Tigers
Kansas State Wildcats
Northwestern Wildcats
Penn State Nittany Lions
Auburn Tigers
LSU Tigers
Missouri Tigers
South Alabama Jaguars

Cats of North America Division:
Pittsburgh Panthers
Houston Cougars
FIU Panthers
BYU Cougars
Ohio Bobcats
Arizona Wildcats
Washington State Cougars
Kentucky Wildcats
Georgia State Panthers
Texas State Bobcats

Canine Conference:
NC State Wolfpack
Connecticut Huskies
Louisiana Tech Bulldogs
NIU Huskies
Fresno State Bulldogs
Nevada Wolf Pack
New Mexico Lobos
Washington Huskies
Georgia Bulldogs
Mississippi State Bulldogs
Arkansas State Red Wolves

Plains Grazers Conference:
SMU Mustangs
South Florida Bulls
Texas Longhorns
Marshall Thundering Herd
Buffalo Bulls
Western Michigan Broncos
Boise State Broncos
Colorado State Rams
Colorado Buffaloes
Arkansas Razorbacks

Natives & Settlers Conference: (aka, the "NSC")
Florida State Seminoles
Illinois Fighting Illini
Central Michigan Chippewas
Hawai'i Rainbow Warriors
San Diego State Aztecs
Utah Utes
New Mexico State Aggies
Utah State Aggies
Texas A&M Aggies
Oklahoma State Cowboys
Wyoming Cowboys

Conference of State Monikers:
Appalachian State Mountaineers
North Carolina Tar Heels
Kansas Jayhawks
Oklahoma Sooners
West Virginia Mountaineers
Indiana Hoosiers
Massachusetts Minutemen
Ole Miss Rebels
Tennessee Volunteers
Louisiana-Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns
Michigan Wolverines // they could have gone in Dangerous animals, but to make both even and keep tOSU rivalry I put them here
Minnesota Golden Gophers
Ohio State Buckeyes
Old Dominion Monarchs

League of Ancient Warriors:
Army West Point Black Knights
Navy Midshipmen
Virginia Cavaliers
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
Duke Blue Devils (this name is actually for a WWI French unit the Chasseurs Alpins, also known as "les diables bleus" aka "The Blue Devils")
East Carolina Pirates
Michigan State Spartans
Rutgers Scarlet Knights
San Jose State Spartans
Troy Trojans
UCF Knights
USC Trojans

Conference of Fierce Creatures: (in honor of the movie by that name)
Cincinnati Bearcats
Baylor Bears
Wisconsin Badgers
California Golden Bears
UCLA Bruins
Florida Gators
TCU Horned Frogs
Maryland Terrapins
Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
Oregon State Beavers // ask a birch or ash tree if they are safe animals to be around

School History Conference:
football derived division
Alabama Crimson Tide
North Texas Mean Green
Notre Dame Fighting Irish
Purdue Boilermakers
Nebraska Cornhuskers
Vanderbilt Commodores
Wake Forest Demon Deacons

campus feature derived division
Charlotte 49ers
Texas Tech Red Raiders
Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders
Toledo Rockets
UNLV Rebels
UTEP Miners
Virginia Tech Hokies
Western Kentucky Hilltoppers

Salvador Dali Conference of Abstraction:
Akron Zips
Arizona State Sun Devils
Iowa State Cyclones
Kent State Golden Flashes
Miami (FL) Hurricanes
Liberty Flames
Stanford Cardinal
Syracuse Orange
Tulsa Golden Hurricane
Tulane Green Wave
UAB Blazers

... All 130 schools in a fitting conference

Now just for fun
the conference of sexual innuendo:
Houston Cougars
BYU Cougars
Washington State Cougars
SMU Mustangs
Buffalo Bulls (best porn name in college football)
South Florida Bulls
Troy Trojans
USC Trojans
Oklahoma Sooners
Massachusetts Minutemen (worst porn name in college football)
Oregon State Beavers
Alabama Crimson Tide (in honor of Aunt Flo)
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Stugray2, that's a great list.
That gets all the points for creativity.

I've been working on my list.
But now I feel like Charlie Brown trying to follow Linus at show and tell with the rock I got at summer camp.

Well done.
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(05-12-2018 03:12 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote:  Stugray2, that's a great list.
That gets all the points for creativity.

I've been working on my list.
But now I feel like Charlie Brown trying to follow Linus at show and tell with the rock I got at summer camp.

Well done.

It's Lucy you have to watch out for Charlie Brown, not Linus.
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(05-12-2018 01:32 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Now just for fun
the conference of sexual innuendo:
Houston Cougars
BYU Cougars
Washington State Cougars
SMU Mustangs
Buffalo Bulls (best porn name in college football)
South Florida Bulls
Troy Trojans
USC Trojans
Oklahoma Sooners
Massachusetts Minutemen (worst porn name in college football)

Oregon State belongs in this conference.
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(05-12-2018 04:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-12-2018 01:32 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Now just for fun
the conference of sexual innuendo:
Houston Cougars
BYU Cougars
Washington State Cougars
SMU Mustangs
Buffalo Bulls (best porn name in college football)
South Florida Bulls
Troy Trojans
USC Trojans
Oklahoma Sooners
Massachusetts Minutemen (worst porn name in college football)

Oregon State belongs in this conference.

Agreed. I've added two. They can now play a 20 game round robin home-home Basketball schedule

Alabama Crimson Tide (that time of the month)
Oregon State Beavers
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I went with 16 conferences to be able to setup a larger playoff system, but in anticipation of the demise of linear conference networks-helped somewhat by a la carte offerings from both traditional cable providers, and over-the-top providers like Sling and YouTube TV, TV partners push school-specific channels. This allows them to give the genuine blue chips like Alabama, Texas, and Ohio State larger raises than they could when they are tied to schools like Vanderbilt, Baylor, and Northwestern.

SEC American - Alabama, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, LSU, Kentucky, Texas A&M
SEC National - Auburn, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Missouri, South Carolina, Arkansas, Virginia Tech, North Carolina State

Obviously these two conferences continue to partner in many areas, including the remnant linear network, and an epic cross-conference rivalry week.

Big 10 West - Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Purdue, Ohio State, Michigan
Big 10 East - Michigan State, Northwestern, Indiana, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina

See comment about the two SECs above.

ACC - Miami (FL), Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Boston College, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Duke

Notre Dame joins as a full member, but retains TV deal with NBC. Word eventually leaks out that they supported the realignment primarily because it would be limited to seven conference games, giving them the "flexibility to maintain historic rivalries and play a national schedule". NBCSN winds up with additional Notre Dame second/third tier content.

Big 8 - Kansas State, Iowa State, Louisville, West Virginia, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, Clemson, Houston

Southwest - Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Memphis, Kansas

American Athletic - Navy (football only)/Wichita State (non-football), SMU, Rice, Tulsa, Tulane, South Florida, Central Florida, East Carolina

Atlantic 8 - UMass, UConn, Temple, Army (football only)/VCU (non-football), Marshall, Charlotte, Old Dominion, Buffalo

C-USA - UTEP, Texas State, North Texas, UTSA, Louisiana Tech, Southern Miss, New Mexico State, Louisiana

Metro - UAB, FAU, FIU, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, Akron, Toledo, Miami (OH)

Western 8 - Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State, Utah, USC, Stanford, Boise State, San Diego State
Pacific 8 - California, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, UNLV

Mountain West - Fresno State, San Jose State, Nevada, Utah State, Wyoming, Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico

Mid-American - Northern Illinois, Ball State, WMU, CMU, EMU, Kent State, Ohio, Bowling Green

Sun Belt - App State, Coastal Carolina, Arkansas State, Louisiana-Monroe, South Alabama, Troy, Georgia State, Georgia Southern,

Independents - BYU, Liberty

BYU and Liberty reach an agreement that they can replace a conference champion if they find themselves ranked ahead of the lowest conference champion, subject to certain thresholds regarding Strength of Schedule.
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I have been giving this matter some serious thought...
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Interesting thread indeed
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(05-10-2018 12:29 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Okay, so I've always been a fan of 9-team conferences, so I based my scenario on all conferences being 8, 9 or 10 teams. However, all the conference have paired up for championship games and tv packages, so what you really have are 16-20 team conferences that act as smaller units for scheduling purposes. I've italicized the relocated teams. To trim leagues down, more often than not I removed the most recent additions.

Each team in this universe would play 10 games against there conference and sister conference and 2 OOC (out of conference or sister conference) games for a 12-game base schedule.

ACC (Sister conference = SEC)
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Maryland
NC State
North Carolina
South Carolina
Virginia
Wake Forest

SEC (Sister Conference = ACC)
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

The ACC and the SEC each play a round-robin for their first 9 games, and then there's one cross-conference game for a 10-game "conference schedule". The ACC champs would then face the SEC champs in Atlanta to decide which team goes to the playoff.

B1G (Sister Conference = Pac 10)
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Northwestern
Ohio State
Purdue
Wisconsin

Pac 10 (Sister Conference = B1G)
Arizona
Arizona State
California
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Washington
Washington State

As with the ACC/SEC partnership, the B1G/Pac10 plays 9 games against their own conference and one cross-conference game. The B1G champs face off against the Pac10 champs for a playoff berth in a title game that alternates between an west coast location and a midwest location each year.

Big Nine (formerly Big 12) (Sister Conference = SWC)
BYU
Colorado

Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Nebraska

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

Southwest Conference (Sister Conference = Big 9)
Arkansas
Baylor
Houston
Rice
SMU
TCU
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech


Each of these two 9-team conferences plays 8 games within their conference and 2 crossover games. Jerry hosts the title game with a playoff spot on the line.

Big East (Sister conference = American)
Boston College
Miami
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Syracuse
Temple
UConn
Virginia Tech
West Virginia


American (Sister conference = Big East)
Army
Cincinnati
East Carolina
Louisville
Memphis
Navy
South Florida
Tulane
Tulsa
UCF

In what's sure to be the most controversial of these alignments, the Big East and the American partner up. 9 conference games and 1 crossover. Penn State and Louisville fans are probably the most disappointed in this scenario. Title game in Philadelphia with a trip to the playoffs on the line will cheer everyone up!

Mountain West (Sister conference = WAC)
Air Force
Boise State
Colorado State
Fresno State
New Mexico
San Diego State
UNLV
Utah
Wyoming

WAC is BACK! (Sister conference = Mountain West)
Hawaii
Idaho
Nevada
New Mexico State
San Jose State
Texas State
Utah State
UTEP
UTSA


8 conference games and two crossovers for these guys. Good to see the WAC up and running again, even if the loss of BYU and TCU meant the MWC still stole Boise State and Fresno State. Idaho stays FBS and New Mexico State finds a home. Title game in Denver to send a team to the playoffs!

C-USA (Sister conference - Sun Belt)
Charlotte
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
James Madison
Louisiana Tech
North Texas
Old Dominion
Southern Miss
UAB

Fun Belt (Sister conference - C-USA)
Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Louisian Monroe
Louisiana
South Alabama
Troy
Arkansas State

8 conference games and 2 cross overs for this pair. JMU joins the FBS ranks to create an in-state rivalry with ODU. I'm thinking Charlotte or Birmingham might make a nice home for this title game, but wouldn't Boca be a nice destination too? Probably not enough support there. Perhaps these conferences would play their championship game at a home park to boost attendance. At any rate, winner goes to the playoffs.

MAC (Sister conference = Appalachian)
Northern Illinois
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Western Michigan
Ball State
Bowling Green
Miami (OH)
Toledo

Appalachian Conference (Sister conference = MAC)
Akron
Buffalo
Kent State
Marshall
Middle Tennessee
Ohio
UMass
Western Kentucky


These two are the smallest conferences at 8 teams each, but their schedule of 7 conference games and 3 cross overs would keep a lot of MAC rivalries alive.

So, we've got the 7 championship games to give us 7 playoff teams. What about the 8th playoff spot? It goes to Notre Dame, the lone independent school. Every year. Even if they go 0-12. It was the only way we could get everyone to buy in. It had to be done.

So, here's a sample of what the playoffs could look like in any given year.

Championship Week:

35 Florida State knocks off Florida in the SEC-ACC title game.
3 Ohio State defeats USC in the B1G-PAC showdown.
8 Oklahoma edges Houston in the B12-SWC match-up.
7 UCF beats Penn State in the Big East-American game.
25 Boise State tops Utah State in the Mountain WAC game.
30 FAU beats Appalachian in a C-USA-SBC thriller.
67 Marshall tops Toledo in the MAC-APP match-up.
9 Notre Dame is Notre Dame. Bow, please.

The 8 playoff teams are seeded based on the old BCS formula, which gives us round 1:

1 Ohio State
8 Marshall

4 Notre Dame
5 Boise State

2 UCF
7 Florida

3 Oklahoma
6 FAU

And from there, we narrow it down to 4, then 2, then our 1 true National Champion.

If you are going to go big, I like the 18 team models here better than the 16 team models. It can keep the traditional conferences more intact than the 16. It really is two conferences put together, which is better than a mish mash that expansion to 16 would be.

You could get a decent core of 9 teams without disrupting too much of the history or at least provide a decent alternative for the ones left out of the old conference. You had the Pac 8, SWC 9, Big 8, ACC 7 then 8 then 9, Big East 8. The MAC was 6 and only has 9 who have continuously been members (NIU left). The WAC only got to 10 a few years before it went to 16. Only the Big 10 and SEC were historically larger. You could find a place for Northwestern (Big 8 or Big East) and LSU could be with Texas schools.

And if you wanted, you still could do pods, with two 5 team and two 4 team divisions, flipping the 4 team divisions back and forth every other year, getting teams from 3 of the divisions at least every other year in an 8 game schedule and getting everyone at least every 5th year (better than the current SEC schedule) if you go to 9.
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(05-12-2018 03:12 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote:  Stugray2, that's a great list.
That gets all the points for creativity.

I've been working on my list.
But now I feel like Charlie Brown trying to follow Linus at show and tell with the rock I got at summer camp.

Well done.

On that line, Stu could have thrown in an all initials conference too:
USC
UCLA
BYU
SMU
TCU
UTEP
UTSA
UAB
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(05-13-2018 10:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-12-2018 03:12 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote:  Stugray2, that's a great list.
That gets all the points for creativity.

I've been working on my list.
But now I feel like Charlie Brown trying to follow Linus at show and tell with the rock I got at summer camp.

Well done.

On that line, Stu could have thrown in an all initials conference too:
USC
UCLA
BYU
SMU
TCU
UTEP
UTSA
UAB

initials are not nicknames or mascots. So doesn't qualify. But not a bad idea for another conference list. Do remember, a lot more schools are known simply by their initials than that:

LSU
USF *
UCF *
BC
WKU *
ODU
BGSU
SJSU (branding has both abbreviation and full name)
SDSU (branding has the logo, but they go strictly by San Diego State University)

* guides for these schools specifically say they are to be referred to by their "brand" initials.

You also have 'tweeners brands like:

K State
NC State
EMich
CMich
WMich

Then you have the abbreviated alternative branding which differ from the schools' actual name:

VT
GT
CU
KU
OU
UVA
UGA

And what do you do with Army and Navy which are complete abbreviations of the "United State Military Academy" and the "United States Naval Academy"? I guess USMA and USNA don't roll off the tongue like Army and Navy. Talk about quality branding.

Branding is murky, but hey you can go with it.
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