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(05-08-2018 01:00 PM)GoCats1994 Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 03:47 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 03:30 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Where does Hayden Moore rank in the QB’s we have had in the last 20 yrs? Somewhere around Chazz Anderson and Munchie Legaux? Dustin Grutza? Would you rather have any of those 3 vs. Hayden?

I don't really consider Chazz* a starter (even though he started a few games). Off the top of my head:

Tony Pike
Ben Mauk
Zach Collaros
Gino Guidugli
Brendan Kay
Munchie Legeux
Gunner Kiel**
Dustin Grutza
Hayden Moore
Deontay Kenner

* Same for Nick Davila, Adam Hoover, or Ross Trail who were backups who got some starts due to injury.

** This one may be controversial, but I ranked Munchie higher than Gunner overall due to how he managed the 2014 season and lead us to a co-ACC championship.

I would put Gino over Pike. Gino threw for 11K career yards and 78 touchdowns, holds most of the schools passing records (I believe this is still true), and did this in the extremely conservative offensive eras of (mostly) Rick Minter and Mark Dantonio. I would argue he had less offensive weapons and a less QB-friendly system than Pike had. He also had that certain moxie where you never thought they were out of a game as long as Gino had another shot with the ball.

Pike was really good, and a lot of fun to watch...when he was on the field. He redshirted his 1st year, did not play as a Frosh, and barely played as a Sophomore. Once he finally got his chance, he was injured (broken arm) as a junior - and re-broke it as a senior. I really liked watching Tony play - and he orchestrated the best comeback and completed the best pass in the best game I've ever seen live (@ Pitt)... but he did not play in enough games for me to rate him as the best QB in the past 20 years.

Ehh... look.. I loved Gino here and he's definitely in my top 4 the past 20 years, but he got all those records due to longevity. The fact of the matter is the guys I have ranked ahead of him won a lot more games against much better competition than what Gino faced during his tenure here.

I ranked T. Pike the highest obviously because of the undefeated season. I am actually a bigger fan of Ben Mauk TBH, and had the NCAA granted the medical hardship they were fighting for he would have surpassed all the records in just two years time. Moreover, I think UC would have finished with more wins in the 2008 season than what we did under Grutza/Pike. We definitely would have beaten Virginia Tech. You want to talk about moxie... not sure if many guys had more moxie than Mauk. I can remember him "chopping wood" at the Rutgers sideline.

(05-08-2018 01:13 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 01:00 PM)GoCats1994 Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 03:47 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 03:30 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Where does Hayden Moore rank in the QB’s we have had in the last 20 yrs? Somewhere around Chazz Anderson and Munchie Legaux? Dustin Grutza? Would you rather have any of those 3 vs. Hayden?

I don't really consider Chazz* a starter (even though he started a few games). Off the top of my head:

Tony Pike
Ben Mauk
Zach Collaros
Gino Guidugli
Brendan Kay
Munchie Legeux
Gunner Kiel**
Dustin Grutza
Hayden Moore
Deontay Kenner

* Same for Nick Davila, Adam Hoover, or Ross Trail who were backups who got some starts due to injury.

** This one may be controversial, but I ranked Munchie higher than Gunner overall due to how he managed the 2014 season and lead us to a co-ACC championship.

I would put Gino over Pike. Gino threw for 11K career yards and 78 touchdowns, holds most of the schools passing records (I believe this is still true), and did this in the extremely conservative offensive eras of (mostly) Rick Minter and Mark Dantonio. I would argue he had less offensive weapons and a less QB-friendly system than Pike had. He also had that certain moxie where you never thought they were out of a game as long as Gino had another shot with the ball.

Pike was really good, and a lot of fun to watch...when he was on the field. He redshirted his 1st year, did not play as a Frosh, and barely played as a Sophomore. Once he finally got his chance, he was injured (broken arm) as a junior - and re-broke it as a senior. I really liked watching Tony play - and he orchestrated the best comeback and completed the best pass in the best game I've ever seen live (@ Pitt)... but he did not play in enough games for me to rate him as the best QB in the past 20 years.

I too agree that Guidugli was the best on that list. It's a shame that he didn't get to play with better teams during his time here. And to be honest, be probably could have done better than UC.

He had that O$U game in 2002 won for us and George what's-his-name dropped it.

If he held on to the ball...OSU would have never played UC again in football. And I wouldn't have had a problem with ending the series on a winning note--in Cincinnati.

(05-07-2018 01:13 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  QB hurries was problematic at times, but how much of it was the line and how much of it was the QB being cool under the pressure.

Some of that has to do with having a weak receivers who were unable to get separation. The offense had a lot of issues, and Hayden did not have as much to work with. That said he is a liability with the ball, but ill respect him for trying to make some plays.

(05-07-2018 12:00 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  1. McKenzie Milton, UCF
2. Malcolm Perry, Navy
3. Jonathan Banks, Tulane
4. Ben Hicks, SMU
5. D’Eriq King, Houston
6. Frank Nutile, Temple
7. David Moore, Memphis
8. Hayden Moore, Cincinnati
9. Chris Oladokun, USF
10. Luke Skipper, Tulsa
11. David Pindell, UConn
12. Reid Herring, East Carolina

Hayden Moore comes in at #8. What's everybody's thoughts? Is this too high, too low or just right?

I have to first chuckle a bit at East Carolina's QB ranking because I live in North Carolina and know several fans. I think they thought they were going to contend every year in the AAC and it's been a bit of a rough ride. That said, I think Moore is deserving of where he is ranked. He has some arm and leg talent but most of his problems arise between the ears. Let's be honest, do you believe AAC teams' dee coordinators stay up late at night planning for Moore? I don't see any change in this guy because he's had three prior years to develop. What you see is what you're going to get - the good, the bad and the fugly quarter to quarter, game to game. Yeah I know, he's played on some lower talent teams. The thing is, good quarterbacks make the team around them better. I just don't see that from him and that's not a personal knock against Moore. He's just not that level of talent at the QB position.

(05-07-2018 12:00 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  1. McKenzie Milton, UCF
2. Malcolm Perry, Navy
3. Jonathan Banks, Tulane
4. Ben Hicks, SMU
5. D’Eriq King, Houston
6. Frank Nutile, Temple
7. David Moore, Memphis
8. Hayden Moore, Cincinnati
9. Chris Oladokun, USF
10. Luke Skipper, Tulsa
11. David Pindell, UConn
12. Reid Herring, East Carolina

https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...backs-2018


Hayden Moore comes in at #8. What's everybody's thoughts? Is this too high, too low or just right?

Reid Herring is literally a red herring for the AAC QB rankings.