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New offer to 2021 Ian Motta. Goes to Allen HS but from Puerto Rico originally. Two other offers. 6-6 forward.
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2021 wing Damion McDowell, out of Los Angeles, commits. Two division 1 offers - UC San Diego and Montana State. My take after watching a couple highlight videos (real in depth scouting being done): for comparison, his body looks much more college-ready than Trey Murphy's did. I don't think I saw any perimeter shots, which likely means he's still working on that aspect of his game. I didn't see high major athleticism or handles (again, not a huge deal considering he's a 2021), which is probably why his recruiting hasn't blown up. But he has the body and playing style of somebody who could've seen an uptick in his final HS year.

We have two remaining spots left in 2021. The question that's going to be asked for any future recruiting is whether Pera and his staff will be here in 2021 (this applies to the guys who transfer and sit out also).
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(05-28-2020 01:14 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  2021 wing Damion McDowell, out of Los Angeles, commits. Two division 1 offers - UC San Diego and Montana State.

UCSD isn’t D1... Until July :)!!!
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I hate to say this, because I consider Bobby Tudor a friend, as I do Chris Del Conte, and I think they did the best they could to turn Autry into something better with Tudor. And the improvement is vast. But Tudor is still a dump. A lot of our recruits probably played in better HS gyms than Tudor.

Autry was from the era when TexasU played in Gregory, Arkansas played in Barnhill, aTm played in G Rollie White, Baylor played in Heart of Texas, and TT played in Lubbock Municipal Coliseum. I've been in every one of them, and every one was a dump. Dressing Autry up as Tudor was basically putting lipstick on a pig.

I think recruits come here, they play in a dump with nobody there, they are shunned on campus and treated as second-class citizens, and frankly they decide to GTFO. I don't blame them for not wanting to stay in a place where they feel unwanted and unappreciated.

What to do? Short of turning the clock back and having T Boone Pickens go to Rice, I don't know. I think we need a truly modern basketball facility that seats maybe 7500. Berry Center would be a good model. Do it with a conference center and theater and connect it to HRS like Cy-Fair did with Berry. That whole complex, including the adjacent football stadium, cost $80 million in 2001, probably 2-3 times that today. But I think that's what we need. Just don't know how to get it.
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(05-28-2020 05:50 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I hate to say this, because I consider Bobby Tudor a friend, as I do Chris Del Conte, and I think they did the best they could to turn Autry into something better with Tudor. And the improvement is vast. But Tudor is still a dump. A lot of our recruits probably played in better HS gyms than Tudor.

Autry was from the era when TexasU played in Gregory, Arkansas played in Barnhill, aTm played in G Rollie White, Baylor played in Heart of Texas, and TT played in Lubbock Municipal Coliseum. I've been in every one of them, and every one was a dump. Dressing Autry up as Tudor was basically putting lipstick on a pig.

I think recruits come here, they play in a dump with nobody there, they are shunned on campus and treated as second-class citizens, and frankly they decide to GTFO. I don't blame them for not wanting to stay in a place where they feel unwanted and unappreciated.

What to do? Short of turning the clock back and having T Boone Pickens go to Rice, I don't know. I think we need a truly modern basketball facility that seats maybe 7500. Berry Center would be a good model. Do it with a conference center and theater and connect it to HRS like Cy-Fair did with Berry. That whole complex, including the adjacent football stadium, cost $80 million in 2001, probably 2-3 times that today. But I think that's what we need. Just don't know how to get it.

I kind of disagree, though not entirely. Tudor is by no means a super college arena, but it's substantially better than a lot of teams that play at our level. Harvard and Yale, for example, do play in glorified HS gyms. But I do agree that pairing the facilities with the fan support and general campus attitude exacerbates everything.

Can we possibly justify building a new basketball facility with so little fan support? We can't fill up what few seats we already have. My personal opinion is that athletics are just incompatible with the current student body, and Rice doesn't yet have the academic (and general) reputation that some of the northeast and east coast comparable institutions do. In my four (recent) years, I saw so little enthusiasm for non-club sports. And that was true even among those who liked professional basketball or football. I don't know what the fix is apart from rising in the stupid rankings and making people believe that a Rice degree is comparable to a Penn/Brown/Cornell/Dartmouth degree, or by lucking into a few consecutive winning seasons and a newfound culture that attracts and retains talent. [just to clarify, this point about academic rankings was in relation to getting better talent on campus which would then hypothetically lead to more fans]

I posted something a few months ago about Rice's transfer rate in MBB versus peer academic schools, and no school came even remotely close to us. And that includes plenty of universities that play in <4000 capacity arenas. In the last 9 years, we lose an average of 3.33 players per year. Columbia is second on the list with 1.67 players per year. Colgate has lost 2 players in 9 years and they play in a *1,750* capacity AC. Yale's lost 5 and plays in a 2,500 capacity facility. I know your point wasn't exclusively about facilities, but IMO there are some bigger issues that need to be sorted first.

*Disclaimer: I would gladly accept a bigger basketball arena

**We also just offered 2021 forward Ileri Ayo-Faleye, who's 6-7 and hails from Pennsylvania (via Putnam Sciences). Offers from Brown, Yale, Bucknell, and others
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(05-28-2020 11:57 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  
(05-28-2020 05:50 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think we need a truly modern basketball facility that seats maybe 7500.

My personal opinion is that athletics are just incompatible with the current student body, and Rice doesn't yet have the academic (and general) reputation that some of the northeast and east coast comparable institutions do. In my four (recent) years, I saw so little enthusiasm for non-club sports. And that was true even among those who liked professional basketball or football. I don't know what the fix is apart from rising in the stupid rankings and making people believe that a Rice degree is comparable to a Penn/Brown/Cornell/Dartmouth degree, or by lucking into a few consecutive winning seasons and a newfound culture that attracts and retains talent.

It's not the gym, and it's not that the students are anti-sports. It's not even about the losing. It's that no one who goes or went to Rice is ever going to give two ***** about Rice vs. Western Kentucky, Rice vs. Middle Tennessee, Rice vs. North Texas, and on and on and on. The vast majority of games on this campus have no meaning or value for us. There *are* sports fans here; you *do* see people come out for Texas (VB), A&M (WBB), Baylor (FB), UH (MBB), etc. Competing against the biggest and best fits what Rice is about. What we're doing doesn't fit, at all. That's why there's apathy, and that's why there's losing.

There is no winning our way out of this dilemma because you have to care about games in the first place in order to win them (consistently). As for facilities, we could build the Taj Mahal of on-campus arenas here but if what goes on inside has no meaning to Rice folks, it'd just end up being a beautiful mausoleum like the real one. And I don't see what Rice being ranked in the top 10 (although we should definitely strive for that) would do to make Rice vs. [insert CUSA team here] any more meaningful to us. It wouldn't get us invited to the Ivy League as they will never expand.

We would have greater interest and attendance if we were associated with and played P5 schools again, or if we dropped to D-III and played UChicago, WashU, Emory, etc. Those are the only two ways to go, but neither Leebron nor the BOT have the vision to take us in either direction. So here we stay.
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(05-29-2020 10:56 AM)illiniowl Wrote:  
(05-28-2020 11:57 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  
(05-28-2020 05:50 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think we need a truly modern basketball facility that seats maybe 7500.

My personal opinion is that athletics are just incompatible with the current student body, and Rice doesn't yet have the academic (and general) reputation that some of the northeast and east coast comparable institutions do. In my four (recent) years, I saw so little enthusiasm for non-club sports. And that was true even among those who liked professional basketball or football. I don't know what the fix is apart from rising in the stupid rankings and making people believe that a Rice degree is comparable to a Penn/Brown/Cornell/Dartmouth degree, or by lucking into a few consecutive winning seasons and a newfound culture that attracts and retains talent.

It's not the gym, and it's not that the students are anti-sports. It's not even about the losing. It's that no one who goes or went to Rice is ever going to give two ***** about Rice vs. Western Kentucky, Rice vs. Middle Tennessee, Rice vs. North Texas, and on and on and on. The vast majority of games on this campus have no meaning or value for us. There *are* sports fans here; you *do* see people come out for Texas (VB), A&M (WBB), Baylor (FB), UH (MBB), etc. Competing against the biggest and best fits what Rice is about. What we're doing doesn't fit, at all. That's why there's apathy, and that's why there's losing.

There is no winning our way out of this dilemma because you have to care about games in the first place in order to win them (consistently). As for facilities, we could build the Taj Mahal of on-campus arenas here but if what goes on inside has no meaning to Rice folks, it'd just end up being a beautiful mausoleum like the real one. And I don't see what Rice being ranked in the top 10 (although we should definitely strive for that) would do to make Rice vs. [insert CUSA team here] any more meaningful to us. It wouldn't get us invited to the Ivy League as they will never expand.

We would have greater interest and attendance if we were associated with and played P5 schools again, or if we dropped to D-III and played UChicago, WashU, Emory, etc. Those are the only two ways to go, but neither Leebron nor the BOT have the vision to take us in either direction. So here we stay.

sadly-right on the button. I just don't see any path other the drip drip of water onto a square of iron, which if you check on it daily, it doesn't seem worse, but after a while. Remember hope and prayer is not a strategy-Lack of effort or commitment results in an output equal to what you put into it.

With the possible exception of Reckling (how much of that was paid by OPM), the history of Rice athletics has been to ignore clear messages and be a dollar short and an hour late. Owl6970 explains it best. How many years has it been since CUSA 2.0 collapsed into CUSA 3.0? It has now been 25 years since the SWC-has anything improved? For TCU-yes, UH/SMUT-treading water at best. Rice?-some truly glorious BB years and competitiveness in non-revenue sports, but will that miracle ever happen or will Leebron being calling Trinity and Southwestern to beg for admittance into their conference?

Autry is fine as is for our situation.
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(05-29-2020 11:38 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 10:56 AM)illiniowl Wrote:  
(05-28-2020 11:57 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  
(05-28-2020 05:50 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think we need a truly modern basketball facility that seats maybe 7500.

My personal opinion is that athletics are just incompatible with the current student body, and Rice doesn't yet have the academic (and general) reputation that some of the northeast and east coast comparable institutions do. In my four (recent) years, I saw so little enthusiasm for non-club sports. And that was true even among those who liked professional basketball or football. I don't know what the fix is apart from rising in the stupid rankings and making people believe that a Rice degree is comparable to a Penn/Brown/Cornell/Dartmouth degree, or by lucking into a few consecutive winning seasons and a newfound culture that attracts and retains talent.

It's not the gym, and it's not that the students are anti-sports. It's not even about the losing. It's that no one who goes or went to Rice is ever going to give two ***** about Rice vs. Western Kentucky, Rice vs. Middle Tennessee, Rice vs. North Texas, and on and on and on. The vast majority of games on this campus have no meaning or value for us. There *are* sports fans here; you *do* see people come out for Texas (VB), A&M (WBB), Baylor (FB), UH (MBB), etc. Competing against the biggest and best fits what Rice is about. What we're doing doesn't fit, at all. That's why there's apathy, and that's why there's losing.

There is no winning our way out of this dilemma because you have to care about games in the first place in order to win them (consistently). As for facilities, we could build the Taj Mahal of on-campus arenas here but if what goes on inside has no meaning to Rice folks, it'd just end up being a beautiful mausoleum like the real one. And I don't see what Rice being ranked in the top 10 (although we should definitely strive for that) would do to make Rice vs. [insert CUSA team here] any more meaningful to us. It wouldn't get us invited to the Ivy League as they will never expand.

We would have greater interest and attendance if we were associated with and played P5 schools again, or if we dropped to D-III and played UChicago, WashU, Emory, etc. Those are the only two ways to go, but neither Leebron nor the BOT have the vision to take us in either direction. So here we stay.

sadly-right on the button. I just don't see any path other the drip drip of water onto a square of iron, which if you check on it daily, it doesn't seem worse, but after a while. Remember hope and prayer is not a strategy-Lack of effort or commitment results in an output equal to what you put into it.

With the possible exception of Reckling (how much of that was paid by OPM), the history of Rice athletics has been to ignore clear messages and be a dollar short and an hour late. Owl6970 explains it best. How many years has it been since CUSA 2.0 collapsed into CUSA 3.0? It has now been 25 years since the SWC-has anything improved? For TCU-yes, UH/SMUT-treading water at best. Rice?-some truly glorious BB years and competitiveness in non-revenue sports, but will that miracle ever happen or will Leebron being calling Trinity and Southwestern to beg for admittance into their conference?

Autry is fine as is for our situation.

Sadly UH and SMU are in a much much better position than us. They’ve had more exposure from athletics than we could hope for the last several years. The only thing that comes even close for us in the National championship in baseball but even that doesn’t compare to the run UH had in football with Herman.
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Three new offers:

2021 F Cade Meyer (Monroe, Wisconsin)
2022 F Shawn Jones (Pearland, Texas)
2021 G Nick Marshall (Clarksville, Maryland)
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New offers to:

2021 6-1 PG PJ Haggerty (Missouri City, TX)
2022 6-6 SG Brandin Podziemski (Muskego, WI)
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(06-06-2020 05:29 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  New offers to:

2022 6-6 SG Brandin Podziemski (Muskego, WI)

This web article calls him a triple threat: basketball, baseball (LHP & speedy outfielder) and classroom. :-)

https://www.ncsasports.org/baseball-recr...podziemski
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(06-06-2020 08:59 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(06-06-2020 05:29 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  New offers to:

2022 6-6 SG Brandin Podziemski (Muskego, WI)

This web article calls him a triple threat: basketball, baseball (LHP & speedy outfielder) and classroom. :-)

https://www.ncsasports.org/baseball-recr...podziemski

It also calls him "a high rated Duel athlete" so perhaps he can help the fencing team as well.
I got excited when I saw the 4.69, but it turns out that's his Home to 1st time. Definitely 1st baseman speed.
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(06-07-2020 11:26 AM)WestGrayStreetOwl Wrote:  
(06-06-2020 08:59 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(06-06-2020 05:29 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  New offers to:

2022 6-6 SG Brandin Podziemski (Muskego, WI)

This web article calls him a triple threat: basketball, baseball (LHP & speedy outfielder) and classroom. :-)

https://www.ncsasports.org/baseball-recr...podziemski

It also calls him "a high rated Duel athlete" so perhaps he can help the fencing team as well.
I got excited when I saw the 4.69, but it turns out that's his Home to 1st time. Definitely 1st baseman speed.

Too bad there isnt a flintlock pistol shooting team for his abilities to be used.
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Newish offers to:

2022 SF Ryan Agarwal (Coppell, Texas)...We're his first offer
2021 SG Julian Lewis (Ann Arbor, Michigan)...Offers from academic mid-majors and MAC schools
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> 6-0 PG Tom Hart III (Humble, TX) - Only offer is from Rice. What I would imagine the prototypical Pera PG recruit looks like. Plays for a good Texas program (ranked top 300 nationally), plays in a very up-tempo offense where his job is to immediately push the ball, and can shoot. Might project as an off-ball guard depending on how much his handle progresses, but looks as if he can shoot well enough that the shift wouldn't be much of an issue
> 6-7 SG RJ Keene II (Woodlands, TX) - Offers from Yale, Wyoming, etc. Doesn't look like he's overly athletic but he made 135 3pts last year so that might not be an issue. Cut Rice from final list. Considering GW, Hawaii, GCU, Iona, Boise State, Utah State.
> 6-3 SG Keith Higgins (West Hills, CA) - Offers from Montana, Pepperdine, etc. Plays for a pretty good California program. Has some deceptive athleticism but mostly a shooter. On the smaller side with a somewhat low release, but has a quick trigger. Committed to Lehigh
> 6-4 SG Nick Marshall (Clarksville, MD) - Offers from Dartmouth, Howard, etc. Has a game that kind of reminds me of a shorter Trey Murphy. Kind of a similar-looking release on his shot and a comparable build, although Marshall is obviously much shorter. Would probably need to bulk up a bit because he's not overly quick or shifty.
> 6-4 SG Marsalis Roberson (Oakland, CA) - Offers from Cal, Nebraska, etc. Plays for a top-50 HS so good competition. Decent athleticism but not springy. Looks like a complete scorer and somebody who's active on defense with length. Had a Zoom call with Rice coaches last week.
> 6-5 SG Will Richard (Fayetteville, GA) - Offers from VCU, Wofford, etc. Uses his body, which is probably close to college-ready, really effectively. Can score in a variety of way and has a smooth stroke. One of those guys who could be a matchup nightmare if he grows a inch or two.
> 6-6 SG Brandin Podziemski (Muskego, WI) - Offers from Arizona St., Depaul, etc. Obviously good athlete. Isn’t necessarily quick or supremely athletic, but looks like he has a deceptive first step. Good looking shot.
> 6-5 SG Julian Lewis (Ann Arbor, MI) - Offers from Duquesne, Brown, etc. Good length. Wouldn’t classify him as quick or athletic but seems like he knows how to use his body. Shot looks fine. Plays for one of best Michigan programs. Committed to William & Mary
> 6-4 SG Bryce Harris (Brentwood, NY) - Offers from Wake Forest, Stony Brooks, etc. Good build and more athletic than a bunch of the guys on the list. Looks like he can make shots, too. Seems like a guy who might blow up a bit.
> 6-7 SG Jaden Geron (Fresno, CA) - Offer from UCSD. Very lanky and looks like he’s still a bit unsure of his body. Will need to bulk up. A lot of his highlights are against very small, preppy schools so it’s hard to tell how his game will translate to better teams. Committed to Rice on July 5.
> 6-6 SG Ian Motta (Santurce, PR) - Offers from Navy, UNCW, etc. Plays for a great program in Allen. Good shooter and athletic. His speed is more straight-line, but that shouldn’t be as much of an issue since it looks like he can shoot. Committed to Bucknell.
> 6-6 SF Edward Holland III (Philadelphia, PA) - Offers from Penn St, Yale. Removed Rice from list...Considering three Ivies, Penn St., VCU, and URI
> 6-5 SG Foster Wonders (Iron Mountain, MI) - Offers from Toledo, UNCW, etc. Not a traditional body for modern wings. More of a bruiser/undersized big type. Good looking shot. Hard to get anything from his highlight videos because he’s just so much bigger/stronger than his opponents. Committed to SIU.
> 6-8 SF Joshua Minott (Boca Raton, FL) - Offers from Texas, FSU, etc. One of those guys with superstar potential. Athletic, forward size with guard skills. His recruitment is blowing up so he looks unlikely. Removed Rice from his list...Considering FSU, Maryland, Texas, etc. Committed to Memphis
> 6-7 SF Ileri Ayo-Faleye (Lebanon, PA) - Offers from Yale, Bucknell, etc. Another guy you can dream on. Wing size with decent guard skills. Comfortable playing at all three levels. Shot mechanics look a bit wonky but he can make them from deep. Very athletic. Committed to URI
> 6-5 SF Justin Neely (Miami, FL) - Offers from VCU, Washington St., etc. Bulkier guard with some good athleticism. Average handle that he uses mostly to get into shooting spots. Good looking shot.
> 6-8 PF Cade Meyer (Monroe, WI) - Offers from Valpo, SDak State, etc. Similar HS tape to Crisler. Stretch who’s comfortable playing inside and out with a good looking release. Also similar to Crisler in that he’s playing against pretty weak competition. Always tough to see how bigs will turn out against college bodies.
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haven't seen the videos but the descript of Wonders reminded me of Michael Harris. My second all time Rice favorite after Charlie Daniels. Michael turned out pretty good...……..
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(06-24-2020 08:42 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  > 6-4 SG Marsalis Roberson (Oakland, CA) - Offers from Cal, Nebraska, etc. Plays for a top-50 HS so good competition. Decent athleticism but not springy. Looks like a complete scorer and somebody who's active on defense with length. Had a Zoom call with Rice coaches last week.

He's the local newspaper chain's Bay Area Prep Player of the Year.

His father was murdered when he was a freshman. Mom is an academic advisor at Cal.
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(06-24-2020 08:42 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  > 6-7 SG RJ Keene II (Woodlands, TX) - Offers from Yale, Wyoming, etc. Doesn't look like he's overly athletic but he made 135 3pts last year so that might not be an issue.

His dad (Richard Keene) was a McDonald's All-American, a four-year starter at Illinois, and set the Illini record for career 3-pt FGs made (now #4 on that list, and #8 for career assists).
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RE: 2018-2019 Men's Basketball Recruiting Thread
2021 6-8 guard Jaden Geron commits. Out of California and chose Rice over UCSD and a non-D1 school. I'm not really all too sure what to think of his game yet. He's 6-8 but has primarily played the 1 and 2 in HS. He actually plays in California's Division 1 (which includes teams like Sierra Canyon, Etiwanda, Mater Dei, and Harvard-Westlake), but a lot of his highlights seem to be against lesser opponents. The biggest concern is probably his athleticism/body. He's 6-8 and lanky and doesn't look like he consistently beats his guy off the dribble with speed. That's not a death sentence by any means, just means that he'll need to use his body a lot more in college when he's going up against wings who are as big as him and quicker. He is a really good shooter, and has the height to get his shot off against any guard defending him, so he strikes me as a low risk, high reward recruit. Somebody whose floor you can see being purely a shooter, but whose ceiling you can see as a legit guard with the height of a forward.

Second commitment in 2021, both out of California. Two guards so far. One spot left in 2021, three left in 2022.
07-05-2020 09:21 PM
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RE: 2018-2019 Men's Basketball Recruiting Thread
Final (?) 2021 commitment from Texas PG Elijah Lawrence. Only offer I see is from ODU. Plays at Bellaire HS. Naturally not somebody on the list above who we'd offered. Seems fairly well-rounded. Clean shot mechanics and some quickness off the bounce. Interesting pick up.
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