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RE: Mueller files request for 70 blank subpoenas in Paul Manafort’s Virginia case
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RE: Mueller files request for 70 blank subpoenas in Paul Manafort’s Virginia case
(05-04-2018 01:06 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Manafort case is blowing up. Judge in the case just called Mueller's team "liars". That never bodes well for a conviction.

Also buried in the news is the fact that the Flynn sentencing has been requested to be delayed again.

Its crumbling.

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RE: Mueller files request for 70 blank subpoenas in Paul Manafort’s Virginia case
(05-04-2018 01:06 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Manafort case is blowing up. Judge in the case just called Mueller's team "liars". That never bodes well for a conviction.

Also buried in the news is the fact that the Flynn sentencing has been requested to be delayed again.

Its crumbling.

agree, once the Judge stops trusting you, your as good as gone.
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RE: Mueller files request for 70 blank subpoenas in Paul Manafort’s Virginia case
(05-04-2018 12:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(05-04-2018 09:40 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(05-04-2018 09:30 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Ok. Someone explain to me how you can issue a blank subpoena? I would have thought you'd have to have a reason and person to get one.

You can do most anything when you are on a mission to save America from Donald Trump.

Didn't you claim to be a lawyer once?

It explains some of his 'numbers'.


I suspect all sorts of Washington insiders live in the eastern district of Virginia which includes Alexandria.... and while I understand a few 'unknown persons' who would require a blank subpoena, 70 seems egregious.
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(05-04-2018 01:44 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(05-04-2018 01:06 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Manafort case is blowing up. Judge in the case just called Mueller's team "liars". That never bodes well for a conviction.

Also buried in the news is the fact that the Flynn sentencing has been requested to be delayed again.

Its crumbling.

agree, once the Judge stops trusting you, your as good as gone.

Come see me when he throws the case out. At this point, he's just asking for more information. I wouldn't pop the corks just yet.
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RE: Mueller files request for 70 blank subpoenas in Paul Manafort’s Virginia case
(05-04-2018 02:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(05-04-2018 01:44 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(05-04-2018 01:06 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Manafort case is blowing up. Judge in the case just called Mueller's team "liars". That never bodes well for a conviction.

Also buried in the news is the fact that the Flynn sentencing has been requested to be delayed again.

Its crumbling.

agree, once the Judge stops trusting you, your as good as gone.

Come see me when he throws the case out. At this point, he's just asking for more information. I wouldn't pop the corks just yet.

You do realize that the info the judge wants is the same info that Rosenstein doesnt want to release, dont you?
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RE: Mueller files request for 70 blank subpoenas in Paul Manafort’s Virginia case
(05-04-2018 02:46 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(05-04-2018 02:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(05-04-2018 01:44 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(05-04-2018 01:06 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Manafort case is blowing up. Judge in the case just called Mueller's team "liars". That never bodes well for a conviction.

Also buried in the news is the fact that the Flynn sentencing has been requested to be delayed again.

Its crumbling.

agree, once the Judge stops trusting you, your as good as gone.

Come see me when he throws the case out. At this point, he's just asking for more information. I wouldn't pop the corks just yet.

You do realize that the info the judge wants is the same info that Rosenstein doesnt want to release, dont you?

That could mean nothing. My guess is that Rosenstein just doesn't trust the GOP members of Congress who want that information, and I don't blame him.

Again, we'll see what happens.
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Mueller files request for 70 blank subpoenas in Paul Manafort’s Virginia case
(05-04-2018 02:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(05-04-2018 01:44 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(05-04-2018 01:06 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Manafort case is blowing up. Judge in the case just called Mueller's team "liars". That never bodes well for a conviction.

Also buried in the news is the fact that the Flynn sentencing has been requested to be delayed again.

Its crumbling.

agree, once the Judge stops trusting you, your as good as gone.

Come see me when he throws the case out. At this point, he's just asking for more information. I wouldn't pop the corks just yet.


Why am I not surprised that you are OK with the Mueller team lying to a federal judge to get their way... 07-coffee3


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RE: Mueller files request for 70 blank subpoenas in Paul Manafort’s Virginia case
(05-04-2018 03:29 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(05-04-2018 02:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(05-04-2018 01:44 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(05-04-2018 01:06 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Manafort case is blowing up. Judge in the case just called Mueller's team "liars". That never bodes well for a conviction.

Also buried in the news is the fact that the Flynn sentencing has been requested to be delayed again.

Its crumbling.

agree, once the Judge stops trusting you, your as good as gone.

Come see me when he throws the case out. At this point, he's just asking for more information. I wouldn't pop the corks just yet.


Why am I not surprised that you are OK with the Mueller team lying to a federal judge to get their way... 07-coffee3

First, he didn't exactly call them liars, nor did he say they lied to a federal judge.

Quote:The special counsel argues that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein granted them broad authority in his May 2, 2017 letter appointing Mueller to this investigation. But after the revelation that the team is using information from the earlier DOJ probe, Ellis said that information did not “arise” out of the special counsel probe – and therefore may not be within the scope of that investigation.

“We don’t want anyone with unfettered power,” he said.

Mueller’s team says its authorities are laid out in documents including the August 2017 scope memo – and that some powers are actually secret because they involve ongoing investigations and national security matters that cannot be publicly disclosed.

Ellis seemed amused and not persuaded.

He summed up the argument of the Special Counsel’s Office as, "We said this was what [the] investigation was about, but we are not bound by it and we were lying."

But again, we'll see what happens if and when the judge sees the unredacted scope memo.
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(05-04-2018 03:39 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  First, he didn't exactly call them liars, nor did he say they lied to a federal judge.

He summed up the argument of the Special Counsel’s Office as, "We said this was what [the] investigation was about, but we are not bound by it and we were lying."

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How is this not calling them liars?

He said (paraphrasing) 'your argument is that you said something earlier but you were lying when you said it'?

Seems a rather thin/pedantic distinction you're drawing.

'C'mon man' isn't a good sign.

I'll go with you that this doesn't mean he's going to side against them, but combined with the how does an investigation into 2016 election tampering involve business dealings in 2005 comment. He seems willing to give them some leeway, but he's not buying it any more than the rest of us are without seeing some real evidence.
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RE: Mueller files request for 70 blank subpoenas in Paul Manafort’s Virginia case
The Federal Grand Jury that is impaneled to hear this matter can only issue the Subpoenas.

The statement that Mueller has 70 blank subpoenas is a bit inaccurate. The Grand Jury has to issue them, this they "fill in the blanks." That will take a presentation and some evidence on behalf of the Special Prosecutor to justify the issuance of the Subpoenas.

There is some disagreement whether or not the subpoenas are Grand Jury subpoenas or Trial subpoenas. If they are Trial subpoenas Mueller can request them be issued.
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(05-04-2018 08:06 PM)WoodlandsOwl Wrote:  The Federal Grand Jury that is impaneled to hear this matter can only issue the Subpoenas.

The statement that Mueller has 70 blank subpoenas is a bit inaccurate. The Grand Jury has to issue them, this they "fill in the blanks." That will take a presentation and some evidence on behalf of the Special Prosecutor to justify the issuance of the Subpoenas.

This case is going to trial so it has nothing to do with a Grand Jury hearing testimony. There would be no defense for Grand Jury

As far as leaving them blank, at some point, they will need to give the defense a list of witnesses and not at the last minute. The only time you can get a unknown witness in a federal trial is if they were truly unknown till that last minute. Then the defense would still be allowed some time.

The only thing this means is the government is not ready or willing to give the defense a list of their witness at this time.
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