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RE: Bill Weld: 2020 Libertarian Nominee?
(05-03-2018 11:44 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 11:38 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 11:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 11:30 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 11:28 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Harry Browne just rolled over in his grave.

Harry Browne was one of the first people I ever voted for. Now ? A bunch of RINO's.

Hell, I'd rather have Lyndon B. LaRouche. At least he stood for something.

Harry Browne brought me to the the LP. Bob Barr made me leave with disgust.

A number of years ago Matt Stone and Trey Parker actually went on the stump for Harry Browne. They even wore Harry Browne themed outfits to an awards show.

One of the smartest things I ever did was switching from R to Lib a # of years ago. Sure, many R's are ok but too many aren't. Oh, and I got sick of getting all of those stupid campaign flyers too, lol...

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No one including Ron Paul could relay the principle of non aggression better than Harry. Hearing him explain this simple axiom changed everything about how I look at the world. I am forever grateful that I stumbled upon him. I try to look at every issue from the non aggression viewpoint. It is the most simple and straightforward way to live IMO. Unfortunately...many of todays Libertarians have no clue what the Principle of non aggression is. 03-banghead

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(05-03-2018 11:35 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Here is a what if ?

What if the RINO's were successful at robbing Trump of the nomination and what if the Libertarians nominated him and he won, thus kicking the door in against the two party monopoly ?

A man can dream.

IMO, two parties are an unlawful monopoly. Where is Teddy Roosevelt ? Every Presidential debate should, at the very least, include the R's, D's, Greens, Libertarians, Constitutionals, Socialists, and even a few others.

Give the people a real choice.

The qualification for being in the debates should be that you are on every ballot in every state...that is all. Doing that proves that you have an organization behind you capable of winning.
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(05-03-2018 08:39 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 07:27 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Now that the Libertarians are on the ballot pretty much everywhere I could see establishment, moderate leaning politicians trying to take it over to create a middle of the road 3rd party.

I could see that happening as well. Unfortunately most of the core Libertarians would find "middle of the road" to be just as unpalatable as the current parties.

I've always thought that if a party was formed that expounded fiscal conservatism and was moderate on social issues, they could become a real force. Most people I know choose their party because either fiscal or social issues are most important to them and they "hold their nose" in regards to the other.

A party that ran on keeping their nose out of the bedroom and keeping their hands off your wallet would be a winner.

They would have my vote every time.
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So you've been voting Libertarian.
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(05-03-2018 12:15 PM)Paul M Wrote:  So you've been voting Libertarian.

I voted for Johnson in 2012 and 2016 and will continue to vote Libertarian, Obama in 2008(I was sucker for the fluff). Not that it particularly matters in TN. Not seeing anything swaying this state from the hard red anytime soon.
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(05-03-2018 08:39 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 07:27 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Now that the Libertarians are on the ballot pretty much everywhere I could see establishment, moderate leaning politicians trying to take it over to create a middle of the road 3rd party.

I could see that happening as well. Unfortunately most of the core Libertarians would find "middle of the road" to be just as unpalatable as the current parties.

I've always thought that if a party was formed that expounded fiscal conservatism and was moderate on social issues, they could become a real force. Most people I know choose their party because either fiscal or social issues are most important to them and they "hold their nose" in regards to the other.

A party that ran on keeping their nose out of the bedroom and keeping their hands off your wallet would be a winner.

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Had to give up on the soft left party and vote Libertarian myself. Dems and Reps are just fighting over the speed to our demise.
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RE: Bill Weld: 2020 Libertarian Nominee?
Bill Weld has two very important thing no Libertarian nominee in my lifetime has had:
- Proven fundraising experience
- The ability to sound calm, reasonable, and avoid the intellectual traps of a Libertarian nomination (legalize heroin! get rid of the border!)
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(05-03-2018 06:04 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Nominating Weld for VP was an interesting idea that turned out to be a terrible mistake for Libertarians. Nominating him for President would simply be political malpractice.

Well, hell... You should see what the LP of the Memphis Area are supporting. Namely, urging the city council to fight the governor's assertion that Tennessee will be a no-sanctuary city state. I am all for libertarian principles, but only within the confines of our country. To have a "Country" you must have 3 things. Language, boarders, and culture.

These guys (official L.P.) around here want anarchy.
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(05-03-2018 02:13 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 06:04 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Nominating Weld for VP was an interesting idea that turned out to be a terrible mistake for Libertarians. Nominating him for President would simply be political malpractice.

Well, hell... You should see what the LP of the Memphis Area are supporting. Namely, urging the city council to fight the governor's assertion that Tennessee will be a no-sanctuary city state. I am all for libertarian principles, but only within the confines of our country. To have a "Country" you must have 3 things. Language, boarders, and culture.

These guys (official L.P.) around here want anarchy.

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The trap I think the Libertarian Party might fall into is being the party of what the kids call RINO's. I think there is an appetite for a 3rd party in the US but I do not think that party should be a party of Liberal Republicans.
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(05-03-2018 02:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The trap I think the Libertarian Party might fall into is being the party of what the kids call RINO's. I think there is an appetite for a 3rd party in the US but I do not think that party should be a party of Liberal Republicans.

Do those REALLY exist? I mean, if you are talking about John McCain types, they are progressive republicans, not liberal republicans.

Basically, I am for the liberty of every person, including the person inside a pregnant mother's womb. You can do whatever you want, until your actions impede someone else's liberty.
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There used to be RINO's in the Republican party. The Republican party is RINO now.
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(05-03-2018 04:33 PM)Paul M Wrote:  There used to be RINO's in the Republican party. The Republican party is RINO now.

No most Republicans are still true Republicans, not the very conservative ex-Democrats who call real Republicans RINOs. Its the very conservative ones who use that term who stay home when they don't get their way. That's kind of the definition of "In Name Only."
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(05-03-2018 01:26 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Bill Weld has two very important thing no Libertarian nominee in my lifetime has had:
- Proven fundraising experience
- The ability to sound calm, reasonable, and avoid the intellectual traps of a Libertarian nomination (legalize heroin! get rid of the border!)

I get it. Im a pragmatic Libertarian. I said all along the Weld should have topped the last ticket...albeit lousy. Im not sold on him at this point. If he can show that he truly understands and can articulate LP principles..pragmatically? Ill start listening.

I think really just would need to stick to a basic platform.
Address our military overseas empire and prudently reduce our footprint.
Pitch a consumption tax paradigm in a manner people can understand.
Pitch reasonable solutions to immigration using LP principles.
Pitch Bismarck healthcare in a manner people can understand.
Promise to remove Cannabis from schedule One...day One.

I think that is enough for a start.07-coffee3
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(05-03-2018 02:16 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 02:13 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 06:04 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Nominating Weld for VP was an interesting idea that turned out to be a terrible mistake for Libertarians. Nominating him for President would simply be political malpractice.

Well, hell... You should see what the LP of the Memphis Area are supporting. Namely, urging the city council to fight the governor's assertion that Tennessee will be a no-sanctuary city state. I am all for libertarian principles, but only within the confines of our country. To have a "Country" you must have 3 things. Language, boarders, and culture.

These guys (official L.P.) around here want anarchy.



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OK...As Libertarian I can assert the most of us are NOT for open borders. We are for legal immigration but we think it should be streamlined to allow easier entry for those that want to come here and be productive citizens. Being a Libertarian means the we believe that one can do whatever they want to do as long as they do not violate the principle of non aggression(theft,fraud,violence or the destruction of property)while pursuing a goal or task. We believe STAUNCHLY in private property rights. That includes our borders. We see trespassing as act of violence that violates the principle of non aggression.
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(05-03-2018 07:15 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 01:26 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Bill Weld has two very important thing no Libertarian nominee in my lifetime has had:
- Proven fundraising experience
- The ability to sound calm, reasonable, and avoid the intellectual traps of a Libertarian nomination (legalize heroin! get rid of the border!)
I get it. Im a pragmatic Libertarian. I said all along the Weld should have topped the last ticket...albeit lousy. Im not sold on him at this point. If he can show that he truly understands and can articulate LP principles..pragmatically? Ill start listening.
I think really just would need to stick to a basic platform.
Address our military overseas empire and prudently reduce our footprint.
Pitch a consumption tax paradigm in a manner people can understand.
Pitch reasonable solutions to immigration using LP principles.
Pitch Bismarck healthcare in a manner people can understand.
Promise to remove Cannabis from schedule One...day One.
I think that is enough for a start.07-coffee3

I'd vote for anyone who ran on that platform.
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(05-03-2018 07:32 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 07:15 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 01:26 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Bill Weld has two very important thing no Libertarian nominee in my lifetime has had:
- Proven fundraising experience
- The ability to sound calm, reasonable, and avoid the intellectual traps of a Libertarian nomination (legalize heroin! get rid of the border!)
I get it. Im a pragmatic Libertarian. I said all along the Weld should have topped the last ticket...albeit lousy. Im not sold on him at this point. If he can show that he truly understands and can articulate LP principles..pragmatically? Ill start listening.
I think really just would need to stick to a basic platform.
Address our military overseas empire and prudently reduce our footprint.
Pitch a consumption tax paradigm in a manner people can understand.
Pitch reasonable solutions to immigration using LP principles.
Pitch Bismarck healthcare in a manner people can understand.
Promise to remove Cannabis from schedule One...day One.
I think that is enough for a start.07-coffee3

I'd vote for anyone who ran on that platform.

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(05-03-2018 01:26 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Bill Weld has two very important thing no Libertarian nominee in my lifetime has had:
- Proven fundraising experience
- The ability to sound calm, reasonable, and avoid the intellectual traps of a Libertarian nomination (legalize heroin! get rid of the border!)
Fundraising ability: that was true when he was running for stuff in the 80s/90s. I question whether he would really be able to raise $100m in the next 2.5 years for a vanity presidential campaign.

Agree on the calm/reasonable image part.
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(05-03-2018 08:39 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 07:27 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Now that the Libertarians are on the ballot pretty much everywhere I could see establishment, moderate leaning politicians trying to take it over to create a middle of the road 3rd party.

I could see that happening as well. Unfortunately most of the core Libertarians would find "middle of the road" to be just as unpalatable as the current parties.

I've always thought that if a party was formed that expounded fiscal conservatism and was moderate on social issues, they could become a real force. Most people I know choose their party because either fiscal or social issues are most important to them and they "hold their nose" in regards to the other.

A party that ran on keeping their nose out of the bedroom and keeping their hands off your wallet would be a winner.

That general philosophy plus an absolute disgust with Killary is what lead me to vote Libertarian this past election. As a person on the outside but interested in Libertarianism it seems like they get into huge fights among themselves about who is the most pure and get bogged down in hypotheticals about how little government there actually should be and not about how to actually grow the party. It seems like some have a mentality of you have to either be all the way in or all out. That has to change or the party will never become what it could be.
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