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(05-03-2018 08:58 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
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(05-03-2018 08:42 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:54 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  One of the most inexplicable things this year, IMO, is the way The OG has used (or not used) Evan Kravetz vs. virtually every other pitcher on the staff. For those who haven't noticed, Evan has actually been quite effective and consistent the past 4 - 6 weeks...yet, he rarely gets to pitch to more than 3 batters, regardless to whether he gets them all out. And, invariably, as soon as he is replaced, the next reliever bombs and immediately gives up runs. It's a real headscratcher.

Kinda like sunday when he pulled Acker with 2 outs in the 9th....he gave up a single leading 4-0 and immediately yanked him in favor of Jeffries, who had been good but had also pitched the day before. You could see a quite heated conversation between Acker and the OG. Not sure why giving up a single with 2 outs and a 4-0 lead would be grounds for pulling him.

6 runs later we lose...

I don't get it either.

The OG has his reasons and I feel obnoxious for even questioning him but, dang...I don't understand some of the pitching decisions.

Let's not exaggerate things. He pulled Akers after he walked the leadoff man, the #7 batter, on 4 pitches...wild pitched him to 2B...gave up a single to the #8 hitter...wild pitched him to 2B (now runners on 2B and 3B, two outs)...and then gave up a two-run scoring single to the #9 hitter. I had no problem with him pulling Ackers after that, especially with the hard-hitting top of the lineup coming up. My issue was going with Jefferies, who had just pitched 2 exceptional innings the day before, instead of Gayle, who had an extra day of rest. Heck, with their left-handed leadoff hitter due up-- a guy with good pop, I would have also considered going with Kravetz to close out the game.

I'm sure you're right on the situation. I just remember thinking with the lead as it was, I though Acker would be ok. I do agree that Kendall wasn't the right choice given that he was probably not 100% after pitching the day before.

Just checked my scorecard to make sure I remembered it right. In fact, Acker might have given up a third single to their leadoff hitter before getting pulled. He clearly had lost it.
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Andrew Dunlap made one of the great throws of the year in the 8th inning. He charged a base hit to left and threw a bullet to Justin Collins. The pinch runner dived head first into Collins who folded the runner up like a cheap card table. Collins also tagged out a runner at the plate for the final out of the game.
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(05-02-2018 09:54 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  One of the most inexplicable things this year, IMO, is the way The OG has used (or not used) Evan Kravetz vs. virtually every other pitcher on the staff. For those who haven't noticed, Evan has actually been quite effective and consistent the past 4 - 6 weeks...yet, he rarely gets to pitch to more than 3 batters, regardless to whether he gets them all out. And, invariably, as soon as he is replaced, the next reliever bombs and immediately gives up runs. It's a real headscratcher.

you have repeatedly tried to create a bias for Kravetz...he is growing..learning...and earning more time...back off.

Wayne Graham has always been a teacher...interested in the growth of his student athletes...he has proven that over 47 years....47 years of honesty and integrity...let's kick him to the curb...oh, wait, we did that already
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(05-02-2018 07:36 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Total ineptitude once again in situational hitting. Back-to-back singles to open the 3rd inning, and instead of moving the runners into scoring position for our #4 and #5 hitters, we swing away....get a force out, then hit into a DP. Truly pathetic.

I, for one, am thrilled that we didn't have our #3 hitter give up an out in that situation just to play for a single run. It didn't work out for Rice in this instance, but I'll take my chances with this strategy moving forward. Especially against the likes of Lamar pitching.

(05-02-2018 07:42 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Are Karlgaard and Wade Townsend fighting in the bowels of Reckling?

Wade was tweeting about being at the game tonight.

The more Wade tweets, and the more I think about the bulk of his tweets, the more I think that perhaps Berkman would be Rice baseball's savior. aka - I don't agree with much that Wade writes or says, or the way he says it. (I write this somewhat tongue-in-cheek, as I have strong concerns about Berkman stepping in as HC).

(05-03-2018 08:42 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:54 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  One of the most inexplicable things this year, IMO, is the way The OG has used (or not used) Evan Kravetz vs. virtually every other pitcher on the staff. For those who haven't noticed, Evan has actually been quite effective and consistent the past 4 - 6 weeks...yet, he rarely gets to pitch to more than 3 batters, regardless to whether he gets them all out. And, invariably, as soon as he is replaced, the next reliever bombs and immediately gives up runs. It's a real headscratcher.

...

I don't get it either.

The OG has his reasons and I feel obnoxious for even questioning him but, dang...I don't understand some of the pitching decisions.

The irony is, Coach Graham has spent the last 20 years getting occasionally criticized for leaving pitchers in too long. Now we're criticizing him for taking pitchers out too soon. 03-rotfl
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(05-03-2018 10:13 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 07:36 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Total ineptitude once again in situational hitting. Back-to-back singles to open the 3rd inning, and instead of moving the runners into scoring position for our #4 and #5 hitters, we swing away....get a force out, then hit into a DP. Truly pathetic.

I, for one, am thrilled that we didn't have our #3 hitter give up an out in that situation just to play for a single run. It didn't work out for Rice in this instance, but I'll take my chances with this strategy moving forward. Especially against the likes of Lamar pitching.

(05-02-2018 07:42 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Are Karlgaard and Wade Townsend fighting in the bowels of Reckling?

Wade was tweeting about being at the game tonight.

The more Wade tweets, and the more I think about the bulk of his tweets, the more I think that perhaps Berkman would be Rice baseball's savior. aka - I don't agree with much that Wade writes or says, or the way he says it. (I write this somewhat tongue-in-cheek, as I have strong concerns about Berkman stepping in as HC).

(05-03-2018 08:42 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:54 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  One of the most inexplicable things this year, IMO, is the way The OG has used (or not used) Evan Kravetz vs. virtually every other pitcher on the staff. For those who haven't noticed, Evan has actually been quite effective and consistent the past 4 - 6 weeks...yet, he rarely gets to pitch to more than 3 batters, regardless to whether he gets them all out. And, invariably, as soon as he is replaced, the next reliever bombs and immediately gives up runs. It's a real headscratcher.

...

I don't get it either.

The OG has his reasons and I feel obnoxious for even questioning him but, dang...I don't understand some of the pitching decisions.

The irony is, Coach Graham has spent the last 20 years getting occasionally criticized for leaving pitchers in too long. Now we're criticizing him for taking pitchers out too soon. 03-rotfl

Bigs, my point was that the way Wayne handles Kravetz is the exception...and it's become very obviously so. He got really lucky on Sunday keeping in Moss as long as he did, as he was clearly running on fumes-- and getting hit hard (albeit mostly for outs)-- his final 2+ innings.
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Post: #26
RE: Owls vs Cardinals
(05-03-2018 10:20 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 10:13 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 07:36 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Total ineptitude once again in situational hitting. Back-to-back singles to open the 3rd inning, and instead of moving the runners into scoring position for our #4 and #5 hitters, we swing away....get a force out, then hit into a DP. Truly pathetic.

I, for one, am thrilled that we didn't have our #3 hitter give up an out in that situation just to play for a single run. It didn't work out for Rice in this instance, but I'll take my chances with this strategy moving forward. Especially against the likes of Lamar pitching.

(05-02-2018 07:42 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Are Karlgaard and Wade Townsend fighting in the bowels of Reckling?

Wade was tweeting about being at the game tonight.

The more Wade tweets, and the more I think about the bulk of his tweets, the more I think that perhaps Berkman would be Rice baseball's savior. aka - I don't agree with much that Wade writes or says, or the way he says it. (I write this somewhat tongue-in-cheek, as I have strong concerns about Berkman stepping in as HC).

(05-03-2018 08:42 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:54 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  One of the most inexplicable things this year, IMO, is the way The OG has used (or not used) Evan Kravetz vs. virtually every other pitcher on the staff. For those who haven't noticed, Evan has actually been quite effective and consistent the past 4 - 6 weeks...yet, he rarely gets to pitch to more than 3 batters, regardless to whether he gets them all out. And, invariably, as soon as he is replaced, the next reliever bombs and immediately gives up runs. It's a real headscratcher.

...

I don't get it either.

The OG has his reasons and I feel obnoxious for even questioning him but, dang...I don't understand some of the pitching decisions.

The irony is, Coach Graham has spent the last 20 years getting occasionally criticized for leaving pitchers in too long. Now we're criticizing him for taking pitchers out too soon. 03-rotfl

Bigs, my point was that the way Wayne handles Kravetz is the exception...and it's become very obviously so. He got really lucky on Sunday keeping in Moss as long as he did, as he was clearly running on fumes-- and getting hit hard (albeit mostly for outs)-- his final 2+ innings.

no response to my post...noted...I'll post it again.

"you have repeatedly tried to create a bias for Kravetz...he is growing..learning...and earning more time...back off.

Wayne Graham has always been a teacher...interested in the growth of his student athletes...he has proven that over 47 years....47 years of honesty and integrity...let's kick him to the curb...oh, wait, we did that already"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzTeLePbB08

where's the dancing banana when I need it?
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(05-03-2018 02:34 PM)skycatcher Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 10:20 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 10:13 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 07:36 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Total ineptitude once again in situational hitting. Back-to-back singles to open the 3rd inning, and instead of moving the runners into scoring position for our #4 and #5 hitters, we swing away....get a force out, then hit into a DP. Truly pathetic.

I, for one, am thrilled that we didn't have our #3 hitter give up an out in that situation just to play for a single run. It didn't work out for Rice in this instance, but I'll take my chances with this strategy moving forward. Especially against the likes of Lamar pitching.

(05-02-2018 07:42 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Are Karlgaard and Wade Townsend fighting in the bowels of Reckling?

Wade was tweeting about being at the game tonight.

The more Wade tweets, and the more I think about the bulk of his tweets, the more I think that perhaps Berkman would be Rice baseball's savior. aka - I don't agree with much that Wade writes or says, or the way he says it. (I write this somewhat tongue-in-cheek, as I have strong concerns about Berkman stepping in as HC).

(05-03-2018 08:42 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:54 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  One of the most inexplicable things this year, IMO, is the way The OG has used (or not used) Evan Kravetz vs. virtually every other pitcher on the staff. For those who haven't noticed, Evan has actually been quite effective and consistent the past 4 - 6 weeks...yet, he rarely gets to pitch to more than 3 batters, regardless to whether he gets them all out. And, invariably, as soon as he is replaced, the next reliever bombs and immediately gives up runs. It's a real headscratcher.

...

I don't get it either.

The OG has his reasons and I feel obnoxious for even questioning him but, dang...I don't understand some of the pitching decisions.

The irony is, Coach Graham has spent the last 20 years getting occasionally criticized for leaving pitchers in too long. Now we're criticizing him for taking pitchers out too soon. 03-rotfl

Bigs, my point was that the way Wayne handles Kravetz is the exception...and it's become very obviously so. He got really lucky on Sunday keeping in Moss as long as he did, as he was clearly running on fumes-- and getting hit hard (albeit mostly for outs)-- his final 2+ innings.

no response to my post...noted...I'll post it again.

"you have repeatedly tried to create a bias for Kravetz...he is growing..learning...and earning more time...back off.

Wayne Graham has always been a teacher...interested in the growth of his student athletes...he has proven that over 47 years....47 years of honesty and integrity...let's kick him to the curb...oh, wait, we did that already"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzTeLePbB08

where's the dancing banana when I need it?

??? Go ahead and attack one of the few defenders of Wayne--and the way he's been treated-- left on this message board. That doesn't mean I can't be critical of some of his moves, which is inevitable part of being an avid fan.
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RE: Owls vs Cardinals
(05-03-2018 03:35 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 02:34 PM)skycatcher Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 10:20 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 10:13 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 07:36 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Total ineptitude once again in situational hitting. Back-to-back singles to open the 3rd inning, and instead of moving the runners into scoring position for our #4 and #5 hitters, we swing away....get a force out, then hit into a DP. Truly pathetic.

I, for one, am thrilled that we didn't have our #3 hitter give up an out in that situation just to play for a single run. It didn't work out for Rice in this instance, but I'll take my chances with this strategy moving forward. Especially against the likes of Lamar pitching.

(05-02-2018 07:42 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Are Karlgaard and Wade Townsend fighting in the bowels of Reckling?

Wade was tweeting about being at the game tonight.

The more Wade tweets, and the more I think about the bulk of his tweets, the more I think that perhaps Berkman would be Rice baseball's savior. aka - I don't agree with much that Wade writes or says, or the way he says it. (I write this somewhat tongue-in-cheek, as I have strong concerns about Berkman stepping in as HC).

(05-03-2018 08:42 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  ...

I don't get it either.

The OG has his reasons and I feel obnoxious for even questioning him but, dang...I don't understand some of the pitching decisions.

The irony is, Coach Graham has spent the last 20 years getting occasionally criticized for leaving pitchers in too long. Now we're criticizing him for taking pitchers out too soon. 03-rotfl

Bigs, my point was that the way Wayne handles Kravetz is the exception...and it's become very obviously so. He got really lucky on Sunday keeping in Moss as long as he did, as he was clearly running on fumes-- and getting hit hard (albeit mostly for outs)-- his final 2+ innings.

no response to my post...noted...I'll post it again.

"you have repeatedly tried to create a bias for Kravetz...he is growing..learning...and earning more time...back off.

Wayne Graham has always been a teacher...interested in the growth of his student athletes...he has proven that over 47 years....47 years of honesty and integrity...let's kick him to the curb...oh, wait, we did that already"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzTeLePbB08

where's the dancing banana when I need it?

??? Go ahead and attack one of the few defenders of Wayne--and the way he's been treated-- left on this message board. That doesn't mean I can't be critical of some of his moves, which is inevitable part of being an avid fan.

you can be critical...anybody can be critical, obviously....you need to understand your bias and understand Wayne's bias is all about individual development within the framework of team. That's why he has a body of work.
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