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RE: How close was Air Force to leaving MWC in 2011?
(05-02-2018 06:28 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 01:08 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 11:44 AM)esayem Wrote:  After Colorado and Nebraska left, I said Air Force and BYU would actually improve the league on the football field (at the time they would have). Then Texas A&M and Mizzou left and all hell broke loose.

Actually what would have made the Big XII better was TCU, WVU, Louisville and Cincy.

When Colorado and Nebraska left, ESPN and Fox allowed the Big 12 to keep the same amount of TV money for 10 schools that they would have received for 12.

Let's say that again: The same amount of TV money for 10 schools that they would have received for 12. The Big 12 understands that X dollars divided 10 ways is more money per school than X dollars divided 12 ways.

If TV was offering the Big 12 significantly more TV money for each existing member than they now get, their decision about expansion would likely be different.

Cool, i'm talking about the conference being better, not so much about how much each school would make. Though I would say they took short term gains over long term stability and money.
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RE: How close was Air Force to leaving MWC in 2011?
(05-02-2018 07:22 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 01:07 AM)lew240z Wrote:  Air Force wanted their basketball and other non-football sports out of the MWC because they couldn't compete. The solution was the Big East for football and the MVC for most of the rest. The MVC said "hell no, don't call us again, and please lose our number." So, Air Force decided the best thing would be to stay in the MVC. Air Force has a new commandant and AD and might be more amenable to an invitation to a P5 conference. I doubt there would be any interest in the AAC or other conference without taking their Front Range buddies with them.

Air Force would be interested to join the AAC if Army was part of the AAC.

No.
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RE: How close was Air Force to leaving MWC in 2011?
(05-02-2018 11:13 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 07:22 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 01:07 AM)lew240z Wrote:  Air Force wanted their basketball and other non-football sports out of the MWC because they couldn't compete. The solution was the Big East for football and the MVC for most of the rest. The MVC said "hell no, don't call us again, and please lose our number." So, Air Force decided the best thing would be to stay in the MVC. Air Force has a new commandant and AD and might be more amenable to an invitation to a P5 conference. I doubt there would be any interest in the AAC or other conference without taking their Front Range buddies with them.

Air Force would be interested to join the AAC if Army was part of the AAC.

If the Big 12 was interested in Air Force before, they probably would be now that the school has more-accepting leadership. In that case, why leave the MWC and their Front Range crew? It's not as though they need to be in the AAC to schedule Navy and Army; I have a sneaking suspicion that those games will always be on the schedule.

There is a mandate from the Pentagon that the service academies play each other.
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RE: How close was Air Force to leaving MWC in 2011?
Rice & Tulane went thru the expence of putting proposal together
AF did'nt want to get involved in B-12 skam to get more money from networks
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(05-03-2018 01:27 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Rice & Tulane went thru the expence of putting proposal together
AF did'nt want to get involved in B-12 skam to get more money from networks

Every article I’ve read said AF was a finalist (football-only) in 2016.
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RE: How close was Air Force to leaving MWC in 2011?
(05-03-2018 06:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 01:27 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Rice & Tulane went thru the expence of putting proposal together
AF did'nt want to get involved in B-12 skam to get more money from networks

Every article I’ve read said AF was a finalist (football-only) in 2016.

Actually, Air Force could have joined the big 12 in 2011. AIR FORCE DECLINED the B12, not the other way around.
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RE: How close was Air Force to leaving MWC in 2011?
(05-03-2018 09:33 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 06:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 01:27 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Rice & Tulane went thru the expence of putting proposal together
AF did'nt want to get involved in B-12 skam to get more money from networks

Every article I’ve read said AF was a finalist (football-only) in 2016.

Actually, Air Force could have joined the big 12 in 2011. AIR FORCE DECLINED the B12, not the other way around.

Right. Like I mentioned earlier, I championed Air Force and BYU to replace CU and NU. When Texas A&M left, it was obvious the Big XII was reduced to drastic measures of patchwork never considered before, like adding another Texas school and a school waaaay outside the footprint.

I wasn’t sure what he was referring to regarding Rice and Tulane. I know they were finalists with AF in 2016, but I never heard about them in 2011.
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RE: How close was Air Force to leaving MWC in 2011?
(05-03-2018 02:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 09:33 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 06:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 01:27 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Rice & Tulane went thru the expence of putting proposal together
AF did'nt want to get involved in B-12 skam to get more money from networks

Every article I’ve read said AF was a finalist (football-only) in 2016.

Actually, Air Force could have joined the big 12 in 2011. AIR FORCE DECLINED the B12, not the other way around.

Right. Like I mentioned earlier, I championed Air Force and BYU to replace CU and NU. When Texas A&M left, it was obvious the Big XII was reduced to drastic measures of patchwork never considered before, like adding another Texas school and a school waaaay outside the footprint.

I wasn’t sure what he was referring to regarding Rice and Tulane. I know they were finalists with AF in 2016, but I never heard about them in 2011.

Bob Stoops was the one who mentioned the big 12 was interested in Tulane. Air Force is a confirmed thing. Rice wasn’t mentioned in 2011 at all. Rice couldn’t get into the MWC in 2016....so they won’t be getting in the big 12.

P.S. I know I know they have a huge endowment.—as if that helps them in college athletics somehow?
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RE: How close was Air Force to leaving MWC in 2011?
(05-03-2018 09:33 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 06:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 01:27 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Rice & Tulane went thru the expence of putting proposal together
AF did'nt want to get involved in B-12 skam to get more money from networks

Every article I’ve read said AF was a finalist (football-only) in 2016.

Actually, Air Force could have joined the big 12 in 2011. AIR FORCE DECLINED the B12, not the other way around.

Right. People just don't want to believe that AFA was so well regarded in this respect. That it has been consistently competitive enough that it warranted some consideration, but also that programs loved working with them, and knew they were reliable partners.

I know there are better football programs or others who have had more success...AFA was approached when others do the approaching. And AFA declined when others would sell out their families before the end of a sentence if it meant they could join. Both true of AFA in 2011.
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RE: How close was Air Force to leaving MWC in 2011?
(05-03-2018 03:16 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 02:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 09:33 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 06:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 01:27 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Rice & Tulane went thru the expence of putting proposal together
AF did'nt want to get involved in B-12 skam to get more money from networks

Every article I’ve read said AF was a finalist (football-only) in 2016.

Actually, Air Force could have joined the big 12 in 2011. AIR FORCE DECLINED the B12, not the other way around.

Right. Like I mentioned earlier, I championed Air Force and BYU to replace CU and NU. When Texas A&M left, it was obvious the Big XII was reduced to drastic measures of patchwork never considered before, like adding another Texas school and a school waaaay outside the footprint.

I wasn’t sure what he was referring to regarding Rice and Tulane. I know they were finalists with AF in 2016, but I never heard about them in 2011.

Bob Stoops was the one who mentioned the big 12 was interested in Tulane. Air Force is a confirmed thing. Rice wasn’t mentioned in 2011 at all. Rice couldn’t get into the MWC in 2016....so they won’t be getting in the big 12.

P.S. I know I know they have a huge endowment.—as if that helps them in college athletics somehow?

I think it’s more of the fact they are an excellent school (AAU), located in Houston, and to a lesser extent, bring a blue blood baseball program. The Texas programs like to play in Houston and be associated with an academic powerhouse, while not being threatened like they would with UH, perhaps.
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(05-03-2018 03:16 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  P.S. I know I know they have a huge endowment.—as if that helps them in college athletics somehow?

The most ridiculous metric people throw out.

People gave $10 million in 2017 to endow positions for research and funding for Parkinson's and now that is suddenly going to fund athletics?
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RE: How close was Air Force to leaving MWC in 2011?
(05-04-2018 02:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 03:16 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  P.S. I know I know they have a huge endowment.—as if that helps them in college athletics somehow?

The most ridiculous metric people throw out.

People gave $10 million in 2017 to endow positions for research and funding for Parkinson's and now that is suddenly going to fund athletics?


Exactly.
And yet it’s posted constantly. Harvard has a gigantic endowment too. Again, what does that have to do with college athletics? Now, if some posters want to give me specific verifiable examples of a university raiding their academic endowment to pay for sports?
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