(05-01-2018 03:49 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 03:41 PM)Bsquared-2 Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 03:07 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 02:25 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Maybe we should just decriminalize drugs. Clearly this "war on drugs" isn't working. The secondary crimes needed to subsidize habits would probably drop and so would overdoses.

Or, if folks just didn't break the laws on the books...

Ca-raaazy ideas.

If they passed a law saying it was illegal to wear green shirts--no matter how dumb and unfair that sounded--I wouldn't wear a green shirt.

People make this stuff too complicated.

But the jails still fill up for people wearing green shirts and you and I are paying for their stay and the war on green shirts goes on and on taking our tax payer dollars and filling up our jails and the cycle of more green shirts in jail and more tax money from us continues.

Those folks don't need to be in society if they are too stupid to avoid wearing a green shirt.

The problem is too many folks feel sorry for the dumb dumbs wearing the green shirt instead of saying, "Hey you damn fool, quit wearing the green shirt."

Yeah but Obviously that ain’t working so now what? That’s my point. You are smart enough to follow the rules and we appreciate that. I’m not saying we should bail out all dumb dumbs but if dumb dumbs are wasting my tax dollars because of dumb laws what’s the solution? Fix the dumb laws seems like the logical one since we’re not getting anywhere fixing dumb dumbs.

You can’t fix dumb dumbs.

(05-01-2018 04:07 PM)Bsquared-2 Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 03:49 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 03:41 PM)Bsquared-2 Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 03:07 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 02:25 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Maybe we should just decriminalize drugs. Clearly this "war on drugs" isn't working. The secondary crimes needed to subsidize habits would probably drop and so would overdoses.

Or, if folks just didn't break the laws on the books...

Ca-raaazy ideas.

If they passed a law saying it was illegal to wear green shirts--no matter how dumb and unfair that sounded--I wouldn't wear a green shirt.

People make this stuff too complicated.

But the jails still fill up for people wearing green shirts and you and I are paying for their stay and the war on green shirts goes on and on taking our tax payer dollars and filling up our jails and the cycle of more green shirts in jail and more tax money from us continues.

Those folks don't need to be in society if they are too stupid to avoid wearing a green shirt.

The problem is too many folks feel sorry for the dumb dumbs wearing the green shirt instead of saying, "Hey you damn fool, quit wearing the green shirt."

Yeah but Obviously that ain’t working so now what? That’s my point. You are smart enough to follow the rules and we appreciate that. I’m not saying we should bail out all dumb dumbs but if dumb dumbs are wasting my tax dollars because of dumb laws what’s the solution? Fix the dumb laws seems like the logical one since we’re not getting anywhere fixing dumb dumbs.

Good question.

In a country of 325,000,000 people, even a 5% dumb dumb rate means there are over 16 million dummies, yet only a tad over 2 million are in prison.

We talk about overcrowding of prisons and how it's horrible to think of building more, but only 0.6% of the US population is in prison.

(05-01-2018 03:49 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 03:41 PM)Bsquared-2 Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 03:07 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 02:25 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Maybe we should just decriminalize drugs. Clearly this "war on drugs" isn't working. The secondary crimes needed to subsidize habits would probably drop and so would overdoses.

Or, if folks just didn't break the laws on the books...

Ca-raaazy ideas.

If they passed a law saying it was illegal to wear green shirts--no matter how dumb and unfair that sounded--I wouldn't wear a green shirt.

People make this stuff too complicated.

But the jails still fill up for people wearing green shirts and you and I are paying for their stay and the war on green shirts goes on and on taking our tax payer dollars and filling up our jails and the cycle of more green shirts in jail and more tax money from us continues.

Those folks don't need to be in society if they are too stupid to avoid wearing a green shirt.

The problem is too many folks feel sorry for the dumb dumbs wearing the green shirt instead of saying, "Hey you damn fool, quit wearing the green shirt."

Lol...

I am sure you would have been one of the folks saying it's cool to let the black folks languish as second class citizens or slaves because there were laws on the books to support it.

Sometimes laws need to be challenged but hey as long as they don't affect Saluki they are fine by him I guess. Anyone who challenges them are "dum dums"

(05-01-2018 03:07 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 02:25 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Maybe we should just decriminalize drugs. Clearly this "war on drugs" isn't working. The secondary crimes needed to subsidize habits would probably drop and so would overdoses.

Or, if folks just didn't break the laws on the books...

Ca-raaazy ideas.

If they passed a law saying it was illegal to wear green shirts--no matter how dumb and unfair that sounded--I wouldn't wear a green shirt.

People make this stuff too complicated.

And that’s why I couldn’t sit next to you on a bus not too long ago.

(05-01-2018 04:22 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 03:07 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 02:25 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Maybe we should just decriminalize drugs. Clearly this "war on drugs" isn't working. The secondary crimes needed to subsidize habits would probably drop and so would overdoses.

Or, if folks just didn't break the laws on the books...

Ca-raaazy ideas.

If they passed a law saying it was illegal to wear green shirts--no matter how dumb and unfair that sounded--I wouldn't wear a green shirt.

People make this stuff too complicated.

And that’s why I couldn’t sit next to you on a bus not too long ago.

And he would have shut up and been cool with it according to his statements.

The who am I to challenge what the "smart people" making the laws say is what leads to many bad laws staying on the books.

(05-01-2018 02:25 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Maybe we should just decriminalize drugs. Clearly this "war on drugs" isn't working. The secondary crimes needed to subsidize habits would probably drop and so would overdoses.

To a point I agree with you. People have been using drugs since the beginning of recorded history. I doubt, and history shows, that the billions spent on prisons, courts, and law enforcement hasn't won any wars. In fact the criminalization itself creates an underground market and the violence associated with that. Plus we're missing out on the tax dollars and safety of a decriminalized market. Plus, at least on the user / addict side -- we've made the mistake of criminalizing a physical and mental illness. But where I might differ with you is that i think society should look at this in a wholistic 'cost-benefit' way. All drugs aren't equal and while I'll have no problem decriminalizing some if not most. I'm sure there are some drugs out there, like meth, that might create too much harm-cost.

(05-01-2018 02:25 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Maybe we should just decriminalize drugs. Clearly this "war on drugs" isn't working. The secondary crimes needed to subsidize habits would probably drop and so would overdoses.

I'm not saying yea or nay on decriminalization. However, taking away the stigma would entice those who otherwise might have never have touched drugs.

And the physiological affects drugs have on people don't change simply because use of a particular drug has been legalized.

Just some thoughts.

Back to Scooter’s situation, folks.

Thanks

It’s a shame. I think he’s Lorenzen’s cousin too.

(05-01-2018 04:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 02:25 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Maybe we should just decriminalize drugs. Clearly this "war on drugs" isn't working. The secondary crimes needed to subsidize habits would probably drop and so would overdoses.

To a point I agree with you. People have been using drugs since the beginning of recorded history. I doubt, and history shows, that the billions spent on prisons, courts, and law enforcement hasn't won any wars. In fact the criminalization itself creates an underground market and the violence associated with that. Plus we're missing out on the tax dollars and safety of a decriminalized market. Plus, at least on the user / addict side -- we've made the mistake of criminalizing a physical and mental illness. But where I might differ with you is that i think society should look at this in a wholistic 'cost-benefit' way. All drugs aren't equal and while I'll have no problem decriminalizing some if not most. I'm sure there are some drugs out there, like meth, that might create too much harm-cost.

Agreed...

Quote:McFadgon was arrested in June, 2014 when 2.5 pounds of cocaine and 193 pounds of Marijuana were found in the SUV he was driving.

Seriously folks .......... ?

Some of you are making excuses for McFadgon or people that commit similar crimes?

This was not an instance where the weed he had was just for personal consumption.

Plus ........... and that's a big plus; he had 2.5 POUNDS of Cocaine.

There is no excuse or justification for this.

A pound of Cocaine in Tennesse is worth:
Knoxville $27,000 - $32,000
Memphis $25,000 - $31,000
Nashville $26,500 - $34,000

This a pic of 200 lbs.

There is little doubt that all drugs should be decrimanlized, if not made legal. The amount of wasted money on victimless crimes, either dealing or using, is pointless. Legalize it. Tax it. Control it. Don’t create prohibitions that thus create criminals. People possess the right to their own lives, which means they have a right to put in their body whatever they want. Our goals should not be about making prisoners (majority African-American). If you want to help, lend an actual hand and brave the rain to help people learn and rehabilitate. Not imprison and hope it all goes unnoticed, swept under a rug.

(05-01-2018 03:45 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 03:07 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 02:25 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Maybe we should just decriminalize drugs. Clearly this "war on drugs" isn't working. The secondary crimes needed to subsidize habits would probably drop and so would overdoses.

Or, if folks just didn't break the laws on the books...

This^^^^

It's really that simple.

yep. but we can always rationalize and make the issue more complicated. :-)

(05-01-2018 03:37 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 03:07 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 02:25 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Maybe we should just decriminalize drugs. Clearly this "war on drugs" isn't working. The secondary crimes needed to subsidize habits would probably drop and so would overdoses.

Or, if folks just didn't break the laws on the books...

Ca-raaazy ideas.

If they passed a law saying it was illegal to wear green shirts--no matter how dumb and unfair that sounded--I wouldn't wear a green shirt.

People make this stuff too complicated.

What's your take on the opioid epidemic? Seems they changed to rule book when the users changed. Aren't opioid users breaking the laws that are on the books?

Why then are those users not being held accountable to the full extent of the law?

My old physician when I was in my 20s was the nicest doc in the world.... serving like 50 years for what your talking about

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(05-01-2018 05:17 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  There is little doubt that all drugs should be decrimanlized, if not made legal. The amount of wasted money on victimless crimes, either dealing or using, is pointless. Legalize it. Tax it. Control it. Don’t create prohibitions that thus create criminals. People possess the right to their own lives, which means they have a right to put in their body whatever they want. Our goals should not be about making prisoners (majority African-American). If you want to help, lend an actual hand and brave the rain to help people learn and rehabilitate. Not imprison and hope it all goes unnoticed, swept under a rug.

All drugs? So we need to legalize LSD? Exactly what would happen to those people that use LSD?
https://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/...f-lsd.html


Here is a list of 10 great drugs that need to be legalized too.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho...19541.html

Maybe everyone needs a little legal Crystal Meth. "The effects of crystal meth are devastating. In the short-term users will become sleep depraved and anxious, and in the long-term it will cause their flesh to sink, as well as brain damage and damage of the blood vessels."
Or perhaps your choice is Crack Cocaine. "The side effects of crack cocaine include liver, kidney and lung damage, as well as permanent damage to blood vessels, which can often lead to heart attacks, strokes, and ultimately death."

(05-01-2018 05:10 PM)Cletus Wrote:  

Quote:McFadgon was arrested in June, 2014 when 2.5 pounds of cocaine and 193 pounds of Marijuana were found in the SUV he was driving.

Seriously folks .......... ?

Some of you are making excuses for McFadgon or people that commit similar crimes?

This was not an instance where the weed he had was just for personal consumption.

Plus ........... and that's a big plus; he had 2.5 POUNDS of Cocaine.

There is no excuse or justification for this.

A pound of Cocaine in Tennesse is worth:
Knoxville $27,000 - $32,000
Memphis $25,000 - $31,000
Nashville $26,500 - $34,000

This a pic of 200 lbs.

This makes me nostalgic for a metal napkin dispenser.

Scooter McFadgon?

The assh*le golfer rival in Happy Gilmore?

How the hell does everything end up as a racial issue?

Its not as much about race these days as it is economics.

Have a lot of money? Hire the best attorney.

Now, you get caught with THIS much stuff? Yeah, you are going to prison for a long time.

(05-01-2018 05:55 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 05:17 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  There is little doubt that all drugs should be decrimanlized, if not made legal. The amount of wasted money on victimless crimes, either dealing or using, is pointless. Legalize it. Tax it. Control it. Don’t create prohibitions that thus create criminals. People possess the right to their own lives, which means they have a right to put in their body whatever they want. Our goals should not be about making prisoners (majority African-American). If you want to help, lend an actual hand and brave the rain to help people learn and rehabilitate. Not imprison and hope it all goes unnoticed, swept under a rug.

All drugs? So we need to legalize LSD? Exactly what would happen to those people that use LSD?
https://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/...f-lsd.html


Here is a list of 10 great drugs that need to be legalized too.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho...19541.html

Maybe everyone needs a little legal Crystal Meth. "The effects of crystal meth are devastating. In the short-term users will become sleep depraved and anxious, and in the long-term it will cause their flesh to sink, as well as brain damage and damage of the blood vessels."
Or perhaps your choice is Crack Cocaine. "The side effects of crack cocaine include liver, kidney and lung damage, as well as permanent damage to blood vessels, which can often lead to heart attacks, strokes, and ultimately death."

All drugs. Portugal has decriminalized drugs and it has done wonders. Once again, people have the right to destroy themselves if they wish. Especially if they are harming no one else. That is respecting the liberty of an individual. The only thing could make illegal is the production of drugs like meth on property that is surrounded by neighbors due to the high risk it involves to manufacture. That threat is a initiation of force against one’s neighbors. And that is only in some cases you could take legal action.

I am not personally for the use of drugs. For the most part, I am morally against most recreational drug use for myself because I don’t believe one should want to destroy their rational mind. However, individual rights take precedent over what I believe is moral.

(05-01-2018 03:07 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 02:25 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Maybe we should just decriminalize drugs. Clearly this "war on drugs" isn't working. The secondary crimes needed to subsidize habits would probably drop and so would overdoses.

Or, if folks just didn't break the laws on the books...

Ca-raaazy ideas.

If they passed a law saying it was illegal to wear green shirts--no matter how dumb and unfair that sounded--I wouldn't wear a green shirt.

People make this stuff too complicated.

You would do real well in a Nazi regime. Never question anything from authorities.